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[JLS]

I've noticed that talking about swine flu and who's gonna get the vaccination is a worse discussion then politics these days. Most don't have any sort of neautral... they are deeply rooted in their own beliefs and there decision is the only right decision.

I keep hearing... "I know a nurse or dr" so I am... or not getting it... so that makes my point valid.

Its exhausting.


The nose one with the live virus freaks me out and my daughter is exactly two and the other is 10 months so I'll hold out for the shot for them. Once most the kids around the world have got theirs then my wife and I will. I'd like to protect children first.


I will say its an odd choice on my part as I don't believe in the regular flu shot. Only one in our family that has one is our two year old because the dr said we would be total idiots not to have her get one when our other daughter was born. Only because there are a couple common things it protects you from that are deadly on newborns I guess...

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

I've noticed that talking about swine flu and who's gonna get the vaccination is a worse discussion then politics these days. Most don't have any sort of neautral... they are deeply rooted in their own beliefs and there decision is the only right decision.

I keep hearing... "I know a nurse or dr" so I am... or not getting it... so that makes my point valid.

Its exhausting.


The nose one with the live virus freaks me out and my daughter is exactly two and the other is 10 months so I'll hold out for the shot for them. Once most the kids around the world have got theirs then my wife and I will. I'd like to protect children first.


I will say its an odd choice on my part as I don't believe in the regular flu shot. Only one in our family that has one is our two year old because the dr said we would be total idiots not to have her get one when our other daughter was born. Only because there are a couple common things it protects you from that are deadly on newborns I guess...

Let me clarify my point. It is not because my doctor isn't getting the shot that I am not. I explained this better earlier (in a different thread?): it is not unanimous within the medical community or among so-called experts I've seen interviewed that the shot is a good thing.

[Dave Burrell]

My mom got the vaccination and 2 weeks later had to call for an ambulance because she got dizzy, was short of breath and nearly blacked out, she said she barely made it to the phone to dial 911. The doc told her it was likely a reaction to the vaccination and he also told her that he'd been seeing a lot of that lately and it seemed to always happen within two weeks after getting the vaccination

[JLS]

Deb, to be honest I'm not sure I even read your post. I didn't really bother reading the thread when I seen name-calling being thrown around so I was mainly just trying to respond to the original post. The past couple days I've overheard people in restaurants arguing like children about the vaccination so thats the only reason I stated that. Nothing to do with this forum although I'm positive it goes on here too...

[bordercolliefan]

My mom got the vaccination and 2 weeks later had to call for an ambulance because she got dizzy, was short of breath and nearly blacked out, she said she barely made it to the phone to dial 911. The doc told her it was likely a reaction to the vaccination and he also told her that he'd been seeing a lot of that lately and it seemed to always happen within two weeks after getting the vaccination

1. When did this occur?

2. What vaccine was it?

[bordercolliefan]

Out of those 76 children how many had underlying health conditions that even the regular flu would have been deadly to them?

How many children have died of the regular flu in the same time period?

How many children have died of meningitis in the same time period?

Good questions to ask!

The CDC reported that in a normal flu season, about 40-60 children would die of the flu. This is just the very beginning of the swine flu season. Thus, it now seems clear that this flu is, for children, many times more deadly than the regular flu.

Given this growing realization, I plan to have my kids get the vaccine. They get the regular flu shot every year, and have never had the flu nor any complications from the shot. The CDC states that the swine flu vaccine is developed in exactly the same manner as the regular flu shot. Plus, it has now been in use for several weeks, with no unusual side effects noted. By the time my kids get the shot, many thousands of people will have already had it (they don't have any pre-existing conditions that would put them at the front of the line); thus, any troubling side effects will have manifested.

[Dave Burrell]

1. When did this occur?

2. What vaccine was it?

1. last week

2. h1n1

[ducky]

Good questions to ask!

The CDC reported that in a normal flu season, about 40-60 children would die of the flu. This is just the very beginning of the swine flu season. Thus, it now seems clear that this flu is, for children, many times more deadly than the regular flu.

There seems to be conflicting info from the CDC.
Here is an excerpt from 2007-2008 flu season.

http://www.cdc.gov/f...t/qa/season.htm
How severe was the 2007-2008 flu season?
A greater proportion of deaths associated with influenza illness and slightly higher rates of influenza-related hospitalizations in children 0-4 years occurred during the 2007-08 U.S. flu season than was measured during each of the previous three seasons. When compared with the previous three seasons, the 2007-08 season was similar in severity to the 2004-05 flu season in terms of the percentage of deaths due to pneumonia and flu, pediatric hospitalization rates, and the percentage of visits to outpatient clinics for flu-like illness.

Here's another link that describes the high death rate for children (153) in 2003-04 and I don't remember the media reacting like they are now.

http://www.redorbit....0304/index.html

I also wonder how they gauge the effectiveness of flu vaccines in general. The two times I got them and still got sick nobody took note of it.

This is a tough decision for me as far as my child is concerned. I just can't help but worry about bad side effects from the vaccine.

[bordercolliefan]

1. last week

2. h1n1

So she got the vacine 3 weeks ago?

How did she get it so fast? Is she a health care worker?

I thought the initial doses just got released to doctors offices and clinics last week.

This was from the Dept. of Public Health website:

H1N1 Vaccine Update: H1N1 vaccine is arriving in very limited quantities, and we are targeting this early vaccine to health care workers and high-risk individuals. By the end of October, we expect H1N1 vaccine to be more widely available. At that time, H1N1 vaccine will be offered to the public at selected locations, which will be posted here.

[bordercolliefan]

This came from the CDC a couple days ago:

CDC: 76 children dead of swine flu as cases rise
Writer Mike Stobbe, Ap Medical Writer – Sat Oct 10, 6:41 am ET

ATLANTA – Health officials said Friday that 76 U.S. children have died of swine flu, including 19 new reports in the past week — more evidence the new virus is unusually dangerous for the young.

The regular flu kills between 46 and 88 children a year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That suggests deaths from the new H1N1 virus could dramatically outpace children's deaths from seasonal flu, if swine flu continues to spread as it has.

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Ducky, I don't think you are silly to worry about side effects from the vaccine. But the calculus I made was: We know the potential risks of swine flu. Wait several weeks (while other people get vaccinated!) and see if there are serious side effects or complications from the vaccine. If not, get the vaccine.

Realistically, by the time my (low-risk) kids can get the vaccine, thousands of others will have already had it. I'm comfortable with that. As far as I know, problems from vaccines are likely to show up within hours or days of the shot. I'm not worried about something showing up months or years down the road -- that's not been known to happen with vaccines.

[Dave Burrell]

So she got the vacine 3 weeks ago?

How did she get it so fast? Is she a health care worker?

I thought the initial doses just got released to doctors offices and clinics last week.

This was from the Dept. of Public Health website:

H1N1 Vaccine Update: H1N1 vaccine is arriving in very limited quantities, and we are targeting this early vaccine to health care workers and high-risk individuals. By the end of October, we expect H1N1 vaccine to be more widely available. At that time, H1N1 vaccine will be offered to the public at selected locations, which will be posted here.

somewhere around that time yes. no she's not a health care worker she's a senior and has got some fancy shmancy premium health care insurance and lives in the boonies in the desert, so her doc probably got it to her faster then regular patients would get it.

[bordercolliefan]

somewhere around that time yes. no she's not a health care worker she's a senior and has got some fancy shmancy premium health care insurance and lives in the boonies in the desert, so her doc probably got it to her faster then regular patients would get it.

Well, I don't know what to think about that.

I certainly think that if people were dropping like flies after getting the shot and calling 911 in droves, we would hear about it.

So far, the CDC reports the same reactions as the regular flu shot -- mostly, a sore arm.

We'll see.

[sat]

I'm trying to figure out whether to get the vaccine for two of my kids. My youngest was officially diagnosed with H1N1 about two months ago, and the other two kids became ill within days, also. Their pediatrician just assumed the other two had the virus and did not do the test for them.

For my kids, it was like a regular flu virus, except my one daughter seemed to have a bit more of a severe case, lasting about three or four days, and she felt pretty terrible, with a high fever. Since I am not positive if the my other two kids have actually had it, I am leaning towards the vaccination. Their pediatrician says it is up to me.

[Dave Burrell]

Well, I don't know what to think about that.

I certainly think that if people were dropping like flies after getting the shot and calling 911 in droves, we would hear about it.

So far, the CDC reports the same reactions as the regular flu shot -- mostly, a sore arm.

We'll see.

I wasn't insinuating people were going to be dropping like flies, I was just sharing her experience. She's older and weaker and I doubt everyones experiences will be like that.

[JLS]

A better thread would be "What do you fear more... H1N1 or the Vaccine"...LOL.

I know its a different vaccine for other countries but haven't alot of them been taking it for a couple weeks now? They made theirs in just as much of a hurry, heard anything bad from it?