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#16 doj_gal

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 02:25 PM

QUOTE (Bill Z @ Jul 15 2010, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
so, any updates on this, have they caught the scum?, or should I sleep with a loaded gun tonight?, it's been years since I last curled up with a nice cold M-16 in a sleeping bag. biggrin.gif

Been there...nothing comfortable about that. We always had to have our weapons with us during tactical field training. I called my lady Black Betty!


QUOTE (folsom500 @ Jul 15 2010, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Must have been very odd to see his face on the news.


Actually, funny story is that I work at DOJ (obviously) and we got a teletype (typewritter message) this morning about 9 am, of an escaped convict from good old Represa. I began to process this work and noticed that the name was extremely familiar. I thought...Naw...it's probably another Zach. I couldn't really remember his birthday but I started to remember it was a summer birthday. Then, I saw his face and it's him. Sad to see that the occasional party person in jr high has had a life of crime and drug abuse.

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 02:59 PM

QUOTE (doj_gal @ Jul 15 2010, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, funny story is that I work at DOJ (obviously) and we got a teletype (typewritter message) this morning about 9 am, of an escaped convict from good old Represa. I began to process this work and noticed that the name was extremely familiar. I thought...Naw...it's probably another Zach. I couldn't really remember his birthday but I started to remember it was a summer birthday. Then, I saw his face and it's him. Sad to see that the occasional party person in jr high has had a life of crime and drug abuse.

Teletype?!!?? Seriously really? Hello Dept of Justice (not doj_gal), it's 2010. Even citizens have PCs, inkjet or laser printers, smartphones or even Twitter.

Reminds me of a certified state professional group that was correcting exams using an ancient Access database from 15 yrs ago. So old that it has little fault tolerance and if a connection between client and server failed or briefly dropped, the session was lost and correcting the exam had to be restarted.

Prison is no place to be but I hope they find this guy soon. His lessons are not over yet.

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 03:05 PM

That always seemed so stupid to me, to attempt to escape from jail when you're about to get out anyway! All that means is they'll go back for escape charges and spend even more time on top of their original sentence, lmao!

On a totally serious note, I have to wonder why he was only in minimum security to begin with (that's almost tempting them with escape!). I don't want to turn this into a debate about crime and sentencing, but that should only be for really minor and nonviolent offenders, or at least ones that have basically proven they're reformed. I think one of the most despicable things is a guy who'd put his hands on a woman, that should be punished more.

DOJ, I bet that's unsettling and bizarre to think you knew that dude! I'm guessing that's mid 90s, right? If we're all about the same age, it's crazy to think there's a vague chance I might've seen him at least in passing without knowing it. Orangevale wasn't that big of a town, lol. I think it had 26,000 people then.

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 03:14 PM

QUOTE (eVader @ Jul 15 2010, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Teletype?!!?? Seriously really? Hello Dept of Justice (not doj_gal), it's 2010. Even citizens have PCs, inkjet or laser printers, smartphones or even Twitter.

Reminds me of a certified state professional group that was correcting exams using an ancient Access database from 15 yrs ago. So old that it has little fault tolerance and if a connection between client and server failed or briefly dropped, the session was lost and correcting the exam had to be restarted.

Prison is no place to be but I hope they find this guy soon. His lessons are not over yet.


Did you read the article in the Bee the other day about why they can't go to minimum wage for State workers? Because the computers use COBOL programming!

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 04:40 PM

QUOTE (eVader @ Jul 15 2010, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Teletype?!!?? Seriously really? Hello Dept of Justice (not doj_gal), it's 2010. Even citizens have PCs, inkjet or laser printers, smartphones or even Twitter.

Reminds me of a certified state professional group that was correcting exams using an ancient Access database from 15 yrs ago. So old that it has little fault tolerance and if a connection between client and server failed or briefly dropped, the session was lost and correcting the exam had to be restarted.


Yes, I would agree with you. My department is stuck in the 70/80's. We do have personal computers and have begun to recently update procedures and get anyway from the teletype. However, it's still the main way to comunicate and receive messages since they fear emailing is a risk of security/idenity theft. Plus, I really do not want them buying things our state cannot afford. Currently, I bring in most of my own supplies because it's less state money, less jobs lost and lessens the $7.25 per hour possibility!

QUOTE (Oldschooler81 @ Jul 15 2010, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That always seemed so stupid to me, to attempt to escape from jail when you're about to get out anyway! All that means is they'll go back for escape charges and spend even more time on top of their original sentence, lmao!

On a totally serious note, I have to wonder why he was only in minimum security to begin with (that's almost tempting them with escape!). I don't want to turn this into a debate about crime and sentencing, but that should only be for really minor and nonviolent offenders, or at least ones that have basically proven they're reformed. I think one of the most despicable things is a guy who'd put his hands on a woman, that should be punished more.

DOJ, I bet that's unsettling and bizarre to think you knew that dude! I'm guessing that's mid 90s, right? If we're all about the same age, it's crazy to think there's a vague chance I might've seen him at least in passing without knowing it. Orangevale wasn't that big of a town, lol. I think it had 26,000 people then.


I agree, why leave when you are close. He was almost finished but never-the-less some people just do not learn. Yeah it is kinda weird but I am sure everyone knows of someone that has gone to jail. Most are just smart enough to not leave. Funny thing, is I have not thought about him nor talked to anyone that has known him in years. He was my first bf...if you could call it that, better yet first crush. My parents did not approve of a bf at 14 and said I could date at 16. Plus, he was on "that" type of track even back then.


QUOTE (ChefRaven @ Jul 15 2010, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you read the article in the Bee the other day about why they can't go to minimum wage for State workers? Because the computers use COBOL programming!


My sister works at State Controllers and their systems are just acient. She says their would be sooo much overtime to change each employee to that pay range, if they could even get the systems to update pay in that manner...but they cannot. We will know by the 28th if they can change the systems. I am glad for that fact because it is ridiculous to pay us minimium wage. It will not help our economy nor our budget. Thank goodness I have savings and Golden 1. Otherwise, It would not be looking so pretty. Luckily, I have planned for this way before when they were talking about furloughs.

I kinda want them to give us minimum wage then owe us penalties and intrest...which I know will never happen but I am sick of being Arnie's pawn. I know there are many...many problems with these agencies and departments. I do know that it's not people like me that are causing them. Once they start addressing over spending on our goverment contracts and units with more managers than employees, than change in our spending will occur.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 07:57 AM

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Glad they caught him.

My husband and a friend were khayaking near the prison Wednesday evening. They saw a guy laying/hiding in the brush wearing only boxer type underwear. Okay... weird! I asked if they called the cops and of course they didn't... just assumed he was homeless.

My husband didn't see his face but his friend did and swears it's this convict. Maybe...maybe not. But that was 6:30pm Wednesday and if it was him...why didn't the prison notice him gone a lot sooner?

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 12:04 PM

Well, get this. Our justice system is seriously messed up.

My aunt was killed by her husband in Eureka in 2008. He was just sentenced to 12 years last month for a vol. manslaughter plea deal (of course, that's already down to less than ten for time served and it will go even lower after he gets other credits and such -- why even call it twelve??? Why not just call it six and ADD time if he's a bad boy since everyone assumes all of this credited time at the outset?).

He claimed self defense which was preposterous. She had a bad back ( documented) and wasn't capable of attacking him with a crowbar (as he did to her to -- and I quote "make her hurt" for hitting him first) and he had a sleazy girlfriend ( an enterprising, opportunistic hooker, actually) young enough to be his daughter whom he moved into the home after my aunt "disappeared." He had buried the body in ten feet of soil with a backhoe in the backwoods. She lay there for 18 months while this one-eyed, pot-bellied freak told a multitude of lies about his wife's whereabouts. I never liked the guy and hadn't seen him in decades.

I have been told I should be glad he got any time at all considering there was no body for many months. Okaaaay. Yeah, right. I don't believe the DA in Humboldt County knows his backside from a hole in the wall. He is quite known for pleading serious offenses down... I wonder why!

I made a request that he not be sent here because my family lives here. I was told " Well, we can't make any guarantees because we have to consider the prisoner's needs (programs available, population type, overcrowding)." Whatever. So much for victim's rights!!! Thankyouverymuch!

But I guarantee you, if he ends up at Calif State Prison, Sacto across the river from me in here Folsom, I won't leave those people alone until they get him the heck out of here.

I wonder if they'd put HIM in mimimum security because he has work skills in construction. Talk about STUPID. Those prison administrators get paid a fortune and these are the decisions they're making? Just wonderful.

Arrrrrghhhh!!!

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QUOTE (supermom @ Jul 15 2010, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why would they put a wife beater in prison for 5 years- and think he should be in a minimum security prison?

What? Because it was just his wife he brutalized-then he isn't a threat?

Well, guess what. Obviously he does not have the mental capacity to accept his punishment.

That makes him even more of a dangerous person, don't you think?

No offense-but I really wonder what the point of the prison referral system (at the beginning of each persons incarceration) is really good for: or just how effectively they are evaluating these guys- when you hear someone convicted for beating another human being, is in a minimum security prison.

Odd.

Anyway, its on the news10.net site. The story hasn't hit kcra or cbs13, yet.


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Posted 16 July 2010 - 12:56 PM

QUOTE (Parizienne @ Jul 16 2010, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, get this. Our justice system is seriously messed up.

My aunt was killed by her husband in Eureka in 2008.


I am sooo sorry to hear that this beyond terrible tragedy has occurred in your family. I will say that domestic violence occurs frequently and sometimes sadly ends in murder.

I had a BF a few years back that decided I was gonna be his punching bag one night. I had a hella of a time getting rid of him because he was on the lease of my apartment. Funny, that they care more about making a scumbag homeless than the physical safety of another. Basically, I had to keep calling the police and get him arrested for violating his restraining order. The third time was the charm and he finally left for good. After of course he found a new woman (girl...she was 9 years younger)to sponge off of. He came to the apartment to grab the two boxes of junk he still had there. She begun to insult me. I just laughed and asked her to leave my place immediately. Needless to say she had a child with him and was viciously attacked as well. Now she has a restraining order against him and is in a worse boat because she stupidly had a child by him.

Women need to be strong and get away from abusive men and other women need to recognize that if he hits another woman, he will hit you.

Keep calling the DA and make your feelings known. This scumbag deserved life w/o parole!!!!!


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Posted 16 July 2010 - 01:53 PM

Parizienne-- I'm terribly sorry for your loss. sad.gif I totally agree with you, that guy seemed like some sociopath who should never get out again.

Personally I think the crime rate and quality of life would go way up with a simple solution... go easier on nonviolent or minor offenders (i.e. weed tokers) and harsher on dangerous felons who are a threat to society. Prisons should basically JUST be for real scum with life or at least 20 year sentences. I can't conceive of men who'd hit a woman. I know there's nothing in the world that would make me even think of being capable of it (I've never been in a fight with anyone, and I'd only hit another guy if it was self defense or protection).

Plus if the justice system took it seriously the first time, maybe that would be a deterrant or in the very least would make the victims feel safer. I'm sure lots of people get their revenge on the person who turned them in when they get out too. I'm politically moderate and am against the death penalty, but I just as much hate being "too easy" on guys like this too.

What's really puzzling to me (and not in a good way) is how so many prison officials seem to be fooled by "good behavior". I was a huge fan of Unsolved Mysteries and documentary cop shows in the 90s, and heard tons of stories of that nature. A convicted killer, abuser or rapist would go to jail, then just 5 years later would get their sentence knocked down or tranferred to a minimum security facility, then pulled off some massive escape! It's like if someone is genuinely turning their life around in jail, reward them with tv time or let them speak to teens headed down a similar path...don't transfer them!

This is debatable, but I believe more often than not those type of people don't change their ways. There might be the 1 in 50 or whatever who reform, but it's rare. Usually when they escape they go right back to what they were doing, claiming innocent victims that should've never been in contact with in the first place.

Like doj gal said, it's a real tragedy when women keep giving bad guys a chance because they either think they can "change" them, or that he won't repeat the pattern of behavior with them.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 02:24 PM

QUOTE (Parizienne @ Jul 16 2010, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, get this. Our justice system is seriously messed up.

I'm sorry for the tragedy in your family and I agree our Justice system is seriously messed up.
I was robbed years ago. The punks that stole tools from my garage didn't get very far. So fortunately, I eventually got my air tools back. The punks had rap sheets pages long. My tools were held as evidence until trial. The punks pleaded down with the DA, so all they got was 120 days counting time served. In the end, they were behind bars only 30 days longer than my tools were held in custody. I'm glad I got my tools back, but I really don't feel that Justice was served. I'm sure within days of their release, they were back to petty theft robbing other people until they got caught again. That's what their rap sheets indicated.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 03:34 PM

QUOTE (Bill Z @ Jul 16 2010, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sorry for the tragedy in your family and I agree our Justice system is seriously messed up.
I was robbed years ago. The punks that stole tools from my garage didn't get very far. So fortunately, I eventually got my air tools back. The punks had rap sheets pages long. My tools were held as evidence until trial. The punks pleaded down with the DA, so all they got was 120 days counting time served. In the end, they were behind bars only 30 days longer than my tools were held in custody. I'm glad I got my tools back, but I really don't feel that Justice was served. I'm sure within days of their release, they were back to petty theft robbing other people until they got caught again. That's what their rap sheets indicated.

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Glad you got your stuff back (that's probably rare in thefts, since it's technically a low priority for cops), but I agree with you. I wonder if people tend to commit petty crimes like that without much regard, just because they know it'll likely just be a slap on the wrist.

I'm not a fan of hardcore punishment, but they can't just throw them in jail for a month then turn them loose and think that solves everything. Even for a nonviolent small thing, I think it's way more effective to get to the root of the issue and what caused them to do it in the first place. Or make them do something productive, like community service.




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