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[ducky]

Is smoking anything good for you ?

Please answer honestly and with integrity.

( I love also how you bring "religious right" into this since there are Dems on city council and also other dems in City fighting this )

That's what I was wondering. You are still filling your lungs with smoke. Do the benefits provided by marijuana for glaucoma or cancer outweigh the risks? Can they put marijuana in pill form so it doesn't need to be smoked and still get the same benefits?

I'm not being snarky or facetious or religiously right. Just askin'

[SunshineServices]

That's what I was wondering. You are still filling your lungs with smoke. Do the benefits provided by marijuana for glaucoma or cancer outweigh the risks? Can they put marijuana in pill form so it doesn't need to be smoked and still get the same benefits?

I'm not being snarky or facetious or religiously right. Just askin'

Brownies.

[ducky]

Brownies.

That was my first thought, and that would be my choice if I had a medical need, but the unfortunate side effect would be weight gain. For a cancer patient that might be a positive thing when you have no appetite, but for someone facing glaucoma it may not be the best choice.

[SunshineServices]

That was my first thought, and that would be my choice if I had a medical need, but the unfortunate side effect would be weight gain. For a cancer patient that might be a positive thing when you have no appetite, but for someone facing glaucoma it may not be the best choice.

Well I know that I could eat a whole pan of normal brownies, so yeah that might be a problem!

[ducky]

Well I know that I could eat a whole pan of normal brownies, so yeah that might be a problem!

Same here. Add the munchies to that and it's just asking for trouble

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

[quote name='Redone' date='Jul 23 2010, 06:33 AM' post='392273'

Is smoking anything good for you ?

Please answer honestly and with integrity.

[/quote]

From what I've read, a cancer patient can get up to eight hours of relief from one joint. So someone undergoing chemotherapy might need 3 or so joints per day. That's not a lot of smoke going into the lungs compared to the 1-, 2-, or 3-pack per day cigarette smokers.

Sure, any smoke in your lungs is not good for you, but a few joints to curb severe nausea so a chemo patient can eat and build up strength would outweigh the risk of that small amount of smoke.

It disturbs me that the city would ban medicinal use of marijuana.

[old soldier]

I sort of look at a pot store as bait, sort of how I look at the honkey tonks on sutter street. they draw lots of out of town folks in on the weekend which are easy prey for our police who nab them leaving town on DUI fund raising busts. having folks smoking pot would would just add to the numbers

you could tax the pot stores as well.

[supermom]

There are numerous medical uses for marijuana. There is no medical use for alcohol. Any drug is dangerous in high levels (including tylenol) but alcohol is far more deadly than marijuana and causes far more crime even in small amounts.

Mmm-not quite true.

Numerous studies on alcohol have indicated that certain types of wines can be extrememly beneficial for people with certain health risks/problems.

Hypertension.
Healing from heart attack
Certain surgeries


As for pot-many studies have indicated that the toxicity levels of the smoke from a marijuana joint is comparable to smoking one pack of cigerettes.

So by relieving pain with pot-you may be causing emphysemia. Why not just use a pill from a medically recognized pharmacy?

Sorry-both these arguments are so old.

However.......I would not be against a pot shop if extreme care and security we're used to regulate it- and if the city itself were the only benefit holders.
Let's grow pot once a year at the rodeo fairgrounds (close to the prison and cop shop)
Get the local "non violent offender" population to grow and guard the plants.
And distribute to legal prescription account holders who have intense background checks-directly outta the cop shop headquarters.
What the hay. Why not. If actors can run politics, I guess cops can be dealers.

[eVader]

Well I know that I could eat a whole pan of normal brownies, so yeah that might be a problem!

I believe one of the reasons for the use of medical pot is to entice an appetite especially for cancer patient where they are nauseated and either dont want to eat or can't hold food down.

Maybe time to buy stock in Hostess though...for the all the munchie demand.

[folsombound]

This is the same as the prohibitionist paranoia that was around 90 years ago. Pot is less dangerous when misused than alcohol by far. However, the fanatical religous right will never acknowledge that pot actually has some benefits and is not a 'dangerous drug'.
Pot really, really can help people on Chemo, people with glaucoma and other problems. Recreational use is far less dangerous than alcohol but too many people are still rooted in the past.

[doj_gal]

There will be studies either way stating the risks or benefits of any substance. Our bodies are so different that while one may benefit from any substance, another may perish.

I feel moderation is the key to anything. I personally do not drink, do drugs or smoke. However, those who do, should have the right to so RESPONSIBLY. Yet, if their rights to do so with their own bodies, infringes on my rights...(drinking and driving, stealing to support a drug habbit, blowing tobacco smoke around my child) then I have an issue.

The biggest issue around marijuana is the stigma. There are thefts from medical marajuana dispenceries and home grow operations, just like there are at Pharmacies...with Pharmacy thefts being more frequent.

Dispenceries are usually located in the less than diserable areas in town...but they are branching out.

At this point, I do not have an opinion either way. I see the benefits of de-criminalizing MJ but I do no think that our society would benefit from everyone smoking MJ. I would need more statistics, to make an educated guess....and frankly this issue is too polarized...like other topics that we are forbiden to speak of!

[FolsomOracle]

OK… So let's hear from an actual medical marijuana patient. I was diagnosed with epilepsy when I was 10 years old. My childhood was marked with frequent seizures, the most severe occurring at night. I have been prescribed numerous drugs… Dilantin, Tegratol, Valproic Acid, Trazodone, Divalproex, Mirtazapine, etc… each of these came with some serious side effects. On one medication, I broke out in a rash over my entire body, on another I had to stop because of possible liver damage, others affected short term memory and almost all leave you drowsy and tired the next day. When I was in college, I tried marijuana for the first time. I noticed immediately that it calmed the storms that were brewing in my brain that would lead to seizures. My grand mal seizures have always occurred at night when I was either falling asleep or waking up. The marijuana stopped that, with little to no side effects. After years of having to "hook up" with seedy characters, not knowing what I was getting, or worst yet funding illegal gangs or cartels.. I decided to talk with my doctor about it. He would not recommend it, but gave me the name of a doctor that would. I went to see him and was given a recommendation and a card. I spoke with my regular doctor and "off the record" told me that if it is working and controlling my seizures and I was not experience any noticeable side effects, then continue. I moved to using a vaporizer a few years ago and my lungs feel great. (I also ride a road bike about 100 miles a week) I only use my vaporizer in the evening and do not do it during the day.. I can now go in and purchase marijuana from a business operated in our state that pays taxes and follows the law. So who am I?... I'm a father of 3, live in a nice house, hold down a very well paying corporate job, pay my taxes, and go to church. I'm your typical Folsomite. I have no reservations about using marijuana. It is my body and my decision and feel this is a matter of personal freedom.

There is currently a case (Qualified Patients Association v. City of Anaheim) ” seeking clarification on whether the state legislature meant to prevent local governments from using nuisance statutes to outlaw medical marijuana distribution”. The city council may just be buying time.

Edited by FolsomOracle, 23 July 2010 - 10:30 AM.

[doj_gal]

I’m your typical Folsomite. I have no reservations about using marijuana. It is my body and my decision and feel this is a matter of personal freedom.

Wonderful post! +1000

[supermom]

OK… So let’s heat from an actual medical marijuana patient. I was diagnosed with epilepsy when I was 10 years old. My childhood was marked with frequent seizures,

There is currently a case (Qualified Patients Association v. City of Anaheim) ” seeking clarification on whether the state legislature meant to prevent local governments from using nuisance statutes to outlaw medical marijuana distribution”. The city council may just be buying time.

Ah ha ha ha ha! You almost had me! Really. Tear jerker...

Up to the last part.

Whom do you represent?


Bwahahahahaha...

[folsom500]

Ah ha ha ha ha! You almost had me! Really. Tear jerker...

Up to the last part.

Whom do you represent?


Bwahahahahaha...

why would you be so cynical ?
I know other medical users that also keep track of the legal aspects of the issue.