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[old soldier]

it seems like there may be a lot of going back and forth between city work and job with developer. there had to be some staff that really got involved with the details of the old land purchase. wonder if any of them may have jumped ship over to the developer side of the fence.

this deal seems not to go away. they ought to have a debate challenge where the non incumbants challenge the folks running for office to come out and talk about in in a public forum with the old media there. the challenger could than make a lot of smoke out of why they are afraid to talk. It would be a hoot if during the old debate council people would take the fifth on some of the questions.

things are getting lively like in the old days of my folsom and its kinda fun to log on.

[Robert Giacometti]

it seems like there may be a lot of going back and forth between city work and job with developer. there had to be some staff that really got involved with the details of the old land purchase. wonder if any of them may have jumped ship over to the developer side of the fence.

Old soldier, I'm disappointed in that it was you of all the people on here I was counting on you to smell this one out by now.

Maybe instead of jumping ship, somebody was made to walk the plank without any ropes tied to them so they wouldn't sink, carrying enough treasure with them that it was worth it and then maybe the ship was positioned so the plank was covered in fog, all the while one crew member was firing off the smoke cannon, so nobody would know what really happened?

I'm counting on you old soldier, don't leave this up to the "Dude" to complete the picture!

[EDF]

Robert...

This deal never seems to go away... and I agree with you that it does smell fishy... and someone needs to make it their life's work I guess because that's what it's going to take...

I haven't followed who's even running except the incumbents... It would be nice to see some new blood in there...

Steve has been there since what..? 94... Kerry since what...96, although I like and have voted for her... Kerry is not going to lead anything to get to the bottom of this stuff...

The last time there was a shakeup was back in 92 when we got some candidates in there that did stand up to the developers a little more than the crowd that is in there now... and the difference back then was we had a lot of volunteers helping the candidates get elected which is what we need again...

[Robert Giacometti]

Robert...

This deal never seems to go away... and I agree with you that it does smell fishy... and someone needs to make it their life's work I guess because that's what it's going to take...

I haven't followed who's even running except the incumbents... It would be nice to see some new blood in there...

Steve has been there since what..? 94... Kerry since what...96, although I like and have voted for her... Kerry is not going to lead anything to get to the bottom of this stuff...

The last time there was a shakeup was back in 92 when we got some candidates in there that did stand up to the developers a little more than the crowd that is in there now... and the difference back then was we had a lot of volunteers helping the candidates get elected which is what we need again...

EDF, Kerri is the one with both hands on the broom trying to sweep this deal under the carpet. She claims there was a RFP but can't produce it, neither can the City. All the Council members know what happened, but the other ones are smart enough NOT to be making false statements about what happened.

I remember back in the good ole days of 92, most on this forum may not believe this but it was conservatives like ourselves who were walking neighborhoods, making telephone calls and helping the DEMS get elected to the council, because we based our choices on facts of WHO was going to do what was best, not on personalities or gender or party affliation.

I'm afraid those days are over! Clearly the City lost out on another $14 million on this land deal and Kerri has been the leader in misleading the people about what happened. Its sad that our DEM friends wont stand up and kick her to curb, ALONG with Steve and Andy to make our community better by holding our elected officials accountable!

When the incumbants give away everything to developers on S50 and others in other communities start saying, we don't want to be like Folsom, then maybe some will wake up!

[tgianco]

It's not the City of Folsom, but I KNOW that there is a city employee of a neighboring city that places technology contracts with companies when he receives payments from placing business with those companies. It sickens me.

[JRudi]

When the incumbants give away everything to developers on S50 and others in other communities start saying, we don't want to be like Folsom, then maybe some will wake up!

RG: I can't agree with you more. All one has to do is look at is the past actions of this council, and especially Ms. Howell, and it's not difficult to predict what will happen when south of Hwy. 50 develops (unless changes are made on the council). Development costs are so high for that area that it just doesn't pencil out. And, it didn't pencil out even two or three years ago when the economy was stronger and the land values higher. The only way this area can develop is if a significant portion of the development costs are diverted to the existing property owners north of Hwy. 50. In fact, I've already heard one developer of the area propose to finance some of the water-related costs through a city-wide increase in water service rates.

As has been revealed in the past on this forum, there are very personal strong ties between some of the current council members and the developers south of Hwy. 50, with the strongest ties being between Ms. Howell and the very largest and wealthiest developer of the area. I'm afraid we, the taxpayers north of Hwy. 50, don't stand a chance unless we see some changes on the council, with the most critical change being the removal of Ms. Howell.

[ducky]

We need to vote out all the incumbents and spread the word to ensure none of those people get re-elected.

If any of this is true instead of just small-town gossip, then instead of contacting news stations, these people and yourself should be contacting the proper authorities, like maybe the attorney general.

I hope none of this is true and is just a sorry attempt to throw some S@#t around and see what sticks. The one thing that I've always been thankful for in Folsom is the feeling of safety. I would really hate for that to change.

I, for one, would also not vote for someone that needs to resort to personal attacks in order to get elected. Makes me think of how they would treat a resident that they felt was also getting in their way.

[old soldier]

hate to say it but this here sounds like a script for one of the fall TV shows

[MikeinFolsom]

admitted they had been drinking and tested at a .7 (not .07).

gotta be .07. .7 would mean 70% BA. That would pretty much kill a person two times over.

[Robert Giacometti]

If any of this is true instead of just small-town gossip, then instead of contacting news stations, these people and yourself should be contacting the proper authorities, like maybe the attorney general.

I hope none of this is true and is just a sorry attempt to throw some S@#t around and see what sticks. The one thing that I've always been thankful for in Folsom is the feeling of safety. I would really hate for that to change.

I, for one, would also not vote for someone that needs to resort to personal attacks in order to get elected. Makes me think of how they would treat a resident that they felt was also getting in their way.

There is that possibility that many of the things that have been talked about on this forum are true!

Fortunately we are blessed with a number of conscientous hard working City employess in all areas, who simply want what we all want and that is to do their job and spend time with their family. Many of these employees would be willing to speak out, but have witnessed a culture of corruption going on at City Hall for too long and know what happens to those who speak out! So they don't say anything because their families depend on them keeping their job.

You are disillusioned if you think this community is going to remain safe and our quality of life will be protected, unless significant changes are made on the council. This corruption starts at the very top, with the council! All one has to do is look at that sale of the surplus land, the shennigans of the former city manager leaving, the Aerojet Water deal and now the Citys inability to have system in place to track the hours staff work on planning for S50 so we can charge the landowners for the true costs!

If the residents of Folsom can't see the pattern of corruption going on, then there isn't any hope! Counting on AG Jerry Brown to do anything is a waste of time and would probably just bury things even more, providng additional cover for even more corruption to continue.

We the voters have the ultimate say on what happens in our community going forward! I just hope there are more people committed to doing what is right then there are those ( NOT YOU) who have some misguided reasons for continuing the status quo.

Have you given any thought that if the above allegations are true, then its possible that SOME of the current council members may already be using their power and influence against residents who step up and ask questions now!

[Robert Giacometti]

We need to vote out all the incumbents and spread the word to ensure none of those people get re-elected.

I suspect there are many who will read the above and question the motives and doubt the accuracy. Like everybody else, except for few, I just want the truth to come out.

I heard about this incident late last summer, so I know that this isn't something that isn't being cooked up at election time. I do find it troubling an incident like the above wasn't released to the press. This should be very troubling to all of us that something is being kept hushed up.

I not a fan of airing peoples personal lives in public, however there does come a point in time with public elected officials that ones personal lives may affect their ability to make altrustic decesions regarding policy.

Here are some facts as I know them. Its important to add up all these collectively before forming your opinion

#1.Based upon my years of experience its very difficult to get information through public information requests. The City Clerks staff are very cooperative, but they can only disperse what they are given by the departments.

#2. There has been a demonstrated pattern of misrepresentation and deception carried out by the collective City Council regarding the threat of other agencies developing S50.

#3. The former City Manager announced they were leaving to spend more time with their daughters, yet enteretd into 2 contracts for consulting work and started their own consulting company.

#4. The former City Manager terminated the former Assistant City Manager paying him $102,000. This left NO senior managment staff in place to run the City, when the former City Manager announced they were leaving to spend more time with their daughters.

#5. The Current Police Chief was promoted to acting City Manager during this interim by the City Council.

We have some serious problems at City Hall that need to be corrected! I am NOT a candidate for anything, so there is no personal gain on my part for talking about these issues, nor did I know ANY of the Challengers for office until August of this year. I would hope that my 20 years of community service has bought me some credibility?

My motives for constantly talking about all this is to illuminate the pattern of corruption so that enough residents will become better informed and unite to vote out those who have been behind this corruption. This corruption will ruin our quality of life in our community!

I just hope people really think about what is best for our community before they vote in this election and not get sucked into choosing sides based upon personalities. That is exactly what those behind the corruption want you to do, they don't want voters to think. If you stop and think, you'll see all of what is being talked about and vote to make changes.

[ducky]

There is that possibility that many of the things that have been talked about on this forum are true!

Fortunately we are blessed with a number of conscientous hard working City employess in all areas, who simply want what we all want and that is to do their job and spend time with their family. Many of these employees would be willing to speak out, but have witnessed a culture of corruption going on at City Hall for too long and know what happens to those who speak out! So they don't say anything because their families depend on them keeping their job.

You are disillusioned if you think this community is going to remain safe and our quality of life will be protected, unless significant changes are made on the council. This corruption starts at the very top, with the council! All one has to do is look at that sale of the surplus land, the shennigans of the former city manager leaving, the Aerojet Water deal and now the Citys inability to have system in place to track the hours staff work on planning for S50 so we can charge the landowners for the true costs!

If the residents of Folsom can't see the pattern of corruption going on, then there isn't any hope! Counting on AG Jerry Brown to do anything is a waste of time and would probably just bury things even more, providng additional cover for even more corruption to continue.

Robert, Jerry Brown doesn't handle everything that comes into the office. I do believe he has Deputy Attorney Generals that would handle any kind of complaint. Unless you also believe council members have power over that office too and Jerry Brown is some part of Folsom's Axis of Evil. What I'm saying is IF these allegations are true then p@ss or get off the pot. Do something about them. If they aren't true, nothing has been accomplished except to smear a lot of people's reputations. It's not right.

I've handled things I've seen going on at the city and companies by going directly to them and keeping on it until it was fixed. It seems more productive than just trying to embarrass people on a public blog.

We the voters have the ultimate say on what happens in our community going forward! I just hope there are more people committed to doing what is right then there are those ( NOT YOU) who have some misguided reasons for continuing the status quo.

Have you given any thought that if the above allegations are true, then its possible that SOME of the current council members may already be using their power and influence against residents who step up and ask questions now!

I really like being a part of myfolsom, but I don't like being stalked here so knock it off.

[pencil0ttlb]

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[ducky]

City Hall was "buzzing" about this within a day or two after it occurred. The story heard there was very similar to what you heard, and it was heard from an entirely different source. Unfortunately, when some people looked into it, they hit a dead end. The speculation was that it was being covered up, but no proof was uncovered. I'm not sure if the truth will ever be revealed, unless someone in the Police Department does it. Perhaps with the upcoming retirement of the Police Chief, who is very close friends with this particular council member, someone may step forward. Another possibly is forcing the truth out through a grand jury investigation.

Of course, if these turn out to be more than rumors buzzing around city hall, this is very serious. The original story you quoted says that someone was hit. Where is this victim? I can't believe the victim would keep quiet and wouldn't be lawyered up by now.

[ducky]

The truth however will come out someday and everyone will be shocked that this happened in our town right underneath our naive noses.

My problem with all this is that it is only rumor. I hear plenty of things about different departments at the city, but it is nothing I have witnessed firsthand and would put in writing here, no matter how "unsolicited" the sources.

How is the chief retiring going to keep him from getting "caught"? If the truth is the truth, it will come out.
How can the chief keep a non-city-employee citizen from coming forward? If I had been hit by a car and injured I'd be yelling it from the rooftops and going up the chain until I got listened to.

Another thing. Can one single councilmember alone really make sure anyone at the city gets pay raises? I think a lot more people would have to be involved. I understand there are probably some very disgruntled city workers because of the layoffs and freezes and now the dirty laundry is coming out, but without proof I don't see the good it does.