Seems pretty gimmicky to me. The "fans" in the outfield "bleachers" remind me of the cardboard "fans" from an old mechanical hockey game we had growing up. Why do we need replicas of other places? How about celebrating our own local history instead (prison walls in the outfield, for example)? Or better yet, why can't a ball field just be a ball field with whatever character comes with that? Does everything have to emulate a trip to Disneyland?
BIG LEAGUE DREAMS (Coming To Folsom)
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Posted 20 December 2010 - 02:08 PM
Well the reason I put this up here is because I saw it on the last City Council meeting.
I think that the city manager and the council has sprung one on the city of Folsom.
If we are against it I think that right NOW is the time to express your opinions to
the city manager and the city council members (mayor) etc...
Don't wait.
I think that there should have been meetings for the people of the city and the
people in the know so it could be discussed.
Calvin thanks for bringing this to our attention! You are definitely correct in saying this has been sprung on the citizens!
This is a sleight of hand to limit impact fees and will result in LESS fields of all types for S50. This isn't going to benefit the residents of Folsom at all!
Join Camay and send in your comments urging the council to NOT support this. What we need from our Council is to approve a Park impact fee that pays for the COMPLETION of all the parks and fields S50 so the residents N50 don't get shorted AGAIN on Parks and fields.
We don't need to pay a private company to come in to build one Taj Mahal facility with Public funds!
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Posted 20 December 2010 - 04:19 PM
I'd like to hear the full plan and where it is going before I make any decisions on whether I'm for or against.
Camay, if you find out more as to where they plan on putting this, please share. And, also, thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Camay, if you find out more as to where they plan on putting this, please share. And, also, thanks for bringing it to our attention.
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Posted 20 December 2010 - 04:51 PM
Why not update and repair our current fields? Some of the fields my daughter plays softball on are getting pretty horrendous. Why not clean up some of the blight we already have in the city?
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Why not update and repair our current fields? Some of the fields my daughter plays softball on are getting pretty horrendous. Why not clean up some of the blight we already have in the city?
I think most (maybe all) the folks who have responded to this post don't understand exactly what the BLD concept is all about. As a parent of a baseball player who has participated in a number of tournaments at the BLD facilities in Manteca and Redding, I can shed some light. First of all, these are not city maintained facilities, rather a private company that holds tournaments year-round for both baseball and softball. I can assure you that the replica concept is not corny, and the facility is very cool. Where else can a 12-year old kid have a chance to hit a ball off the "green monster" at Fenway Park? The fact that Folsom City Parks are woefully undermaintained has absolutely nothing to do with BLD. Do we need it? It's debatable. What will it do for us? Tax revenues, support of the local economy (hotels, restaurants, etc.). I know that many times as I was driving to Manteca I would think to myself "I wish we had one of these in Folsom." We'll see.
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I think most (maybe all) the folks who have responded to this post don't understand exactly what the BLD concept is all about. As a parent of a baseball player who has participated in a number of tournaments at the BLD facilities in Manteca and Redding, I can shed some light. First of all, these are not city maintained facilities, rather a private company that holds tournaments year-round for both baseball and softball. I can assure you that the replica concept is not corny, and the facility is very cool. Where else can a 12-year old kid have a chance to hit a ball off the "green monster" at Fenway Park? The fact that Folsom City Parks are woefully undermaintained has absolutely nothing to do with BLD. Do we need it? It's debatable. What will it do for us? Tax revenues, support of the local economy (hotels, restaurants, etc.). I know that many times as I was driving to Manteca I would think to myself "I wish we had one of these in Folsom." We'll see.
Help me understand why the city needs to loan a private company $450,000 of redevelopment money. If it is popular and profitable, they should be able to invest their own money to start up here.
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Posted 20 December 2010 - 10:23 PM
OK, I received replies from Kerry Miller the city manager, and two of the city council
members Kerri Howell and Steve Miklos. So far I was given permission to post the replies
from Kerry Miller and Steve Miklos. Here goes.
From Kerry Miller, city manager.
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Hi Cal,
If this were to move along, it would be included in the planning process for the SOI. The loan is from RDA funds (not a conventional loan as Robert has insinuated that the City is taking on more debt - that is not the case, in fact, the suggestion that the City has more debt than any other jurisdiction in the region is a complete mischaracterization of the reality - the vast majority of the debt included in that Bee article is actually in Mello Roos fees, that are paid by the homeowners through property tax - I digress........ The facility would be built in the SOI, and it is far from a certainty. If the City does not move forward with the project, the money will be refunded back to the RDA. If the facility is built, the City will have control over agreed upon time slots. In addition, the City will receipt a percentage of the income. Similar facilities have been well received in other parts of the State and the western US. When the SOI is developed, there will be a need for park facilities there as well, and this is one way to meet some of that future need. This or any future project in the SOI will go through the normal planning process, including public hearings.
I hope this information is helpful.
Happy Holidays!
Kerri
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From Steve Miklos
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Calvin:
As always I appreciate your involvement, but I have to disagree with your comments.
When should the city pick and choose which business the “people” should have meetings on ? We did not do that with the power center, nor the Palladio Mall and so forth.
The city council has been exploring new and innovative ways to provide top services at the best value for our taxpayers money. This particular model is and has been a huge success everywhere we have seen and investigated. This is what the people elected us to do and expect us to do.
I am not a fan of planning by the ballot box on every little item and firmly believe California is in its’ mess for trying to do so. Ballot box initiatives should be used with caution and with good purpose (such as Lake Natoma Bridge and Measure W).
As you saw in the meeting, all we did was preserve the right to have this opportunity if EVERYTHING pencils out. Land acquisition, funding, programming and more still need to be done. All we did was secure the first right of refusal for this region and tie up the potential franchise from going to another community (Ranch was also bidding for this). There is plenty of work to be done and there will be plenty of hearings through the park and recreation commission and the city council for input, participation and decisions.
Again, thanks for staying involved and I hope you have a Happy, Healthy Holiday and a Happy New Year.
Steve
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When I get permission I will post other responses.
Hope this helps.
Cal
members Kerri Howell and Steve Miklos. So far I was given permission to post the replies
from Kerry Miller and Steve Miklos. Here goes.
From Kerry Miller, city manager.
Quote:
Hi Cal,
If this were to move along, it would be included in the planning process for the SOI. The loan is from RDA funds (not a conventional loan as Robert has insinuated that the City is taking on more debt - that is not the case, in fact, the suggestion that the City has more debt than any other jurisdiction in the region is a complete mischaracterization of the reality - the vast majority of the debt included in that Bee article is actually in Mello Roos fees, that are paid by the homeowners through property tax - I digress........ The facility would be built in the SOI, and it is far from a certainty. If the City does not move forward with the project, the money will be refunded back to the RDA. If the facility is built, the City will have control over agreed upon time slots. In addition, the City will receipt a percentage of the income. Similar facilities have been well received in other parts of the State and the western US. When the SOI is developed, there will be a need for park facilities there as well, and this is one way to meet some of that future need. This or any future project in the SOI will go through the normal planning process, including public hearings.
I hope this information is helpful.
Happy Holidays!
Kerri
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From Steve Miklos
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Calvin:
As always I appreciate your involvement, but I have to disagree with your comments.
When should the city pick and choose which business the “people” should have meetings on ? We did not do that with the power center, nor the Palladio Mall and so forth.
The city council has been exploring new and innovative ways to provide top services at the best value for our taxpayers money. This particular model is and has been a huge success everywhere we have seen and investigated. This is what the people elected us to do and expect us to do.
I am not a fan of planning by the ballot box on every little item and firmly believe California is in its’ mess for trying to do so. Ballot box initiatives should be used with caution and with good purpose (such as Lake Natoma Bridge and Measure W).
As you saw in the meeting, all we did was preserve the right to have this opportunity if EVERYTHING pencils out. Land acquisition, funding, programming and more still need to be done. All we did was secure the first right of refusal for this region and tie up the potential franchise from going to another community (Ranch was also bidding for this). There is plenty of work to be done and there will be plenty of hearings through the park and recreation commission and the city council for input, participation and decisions.
Again, thanks for staying involved and I hope you have a Happy, Healthy Holiday and a Happy New Year.
Steve
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When I get permission I will post other responses.
Hope this helps.
Cal
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Posted 20 December 2010 - 10:28 PM
Camay, that helped me better understand the idea. Thank you for posting that.
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Posted 20 December 2010 - 10:28 PM
I don't think that Kerri Howell will mind so I will post her reply here too.
From Folsom counsel woman Kerri Howell.
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Hi Cal,
If this were to move along, it would be included in the planning process for the SOI. The loan is from RDA funds (not a conventional loan as Robert has insinuated that the City is taking on more debt - that is not the case, in fact, the suggestion that the City has more debt than any other jurisdiction in the region is a complete mischaracterization of the reality - the vast majority of the debt included in that Bee article is actually in Mello Roos fees, that are paid by the homeowners through property tax - I digress........ The facility would be built in the SOI, and it is far from a certainty. If the City does not move forward with the project, the money will be refunded back to the RDA. If the facility is built, the City will have control over agreed upon time slots. In addition, the City will receipt a percentage of the income. Similar facilities have been well received in other parts of the State and the western US. When the SOI is developed, there will be a need for park facilities there as well, and this is one way to meet some of that future need. This or any future project in the SOI will go through the normal planning process, including public hearings.
I hope this information is helpful.
Happy Holidays!
Kerri
Unquote
Again, hope this helps.
Cal
From Folsom counsel woman Kerri Howell.
Quote:
Hi Cal,
If this were to move along, it would be included in the planning process for the SOI. The loan is from RDA funds (not a conventional loan as Robert has insinuated that the City is taking on more debt - that is not the case, in fact, the suggestion that the City has more debt than any other jurisdiction in the region is a complete mischaracterization of the reality - the vast majority of the debt included in that Bee article is actually in Mello Roos fees, that are paid by the homeowners through property tax - I digress........ The facility would be built in the SOI, and it is far from a certainty. If the City does not move forward with the project, the money will be refunded back to the RDA. If the facility is built, the City will have control over agreed upon time slots. In addition, the City will receipt a percentage of the income. Similar facilities have been well received in other parts of the State and the western US. When the SOI is developed, there will be a need for park facilities there as well, and this is one way to meet some of that future need. This or any future project in the SOI will go through the normal planning process, including public hearings.
I hope this information is helpful.
Happy Holidays!
Kerri
Unquote
Again, hope this helps.
Cal
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 07:47 AM
Where else can a 12-year old kid have a chance to hit a ball off the "green monster" at Fenway Park?
There is no imitating the Green Monsta and no your NOT at Fenway park... I still think the whole concept is a bit goofy
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 07:51 AM
I don't think that Kerri Howell will mind so I will post her reply here too.
From Folsom counsel woman Kerri Howell.
Quote:
Hi Cal,
If this were to move along, it would be included in the planning process for the SOI. The loan is from RDA funds (not a conventional loan as Robert has insinuated that the City is taking on more debt - that is not the case, in fact, the suggestion that the City has more debt than any other jurisdiction in the region is a complete mischaracterization of the reality - the vast majority of the debt included in that Bee article is actually in Mello Roos fees, that are paid by the homeowners through property tax - I digress........ The facility would be built in the SOI, and it is far from a certainty. If the City does not move forward with the project, the money will be refunded back to the RDA. If the facility is built, the City will have control over agreed upon time slots. In addition, the City will receipt a percentage of the income. Similar facilities have been well received in other parts of the State and the western US. When the SOI is developed, there will be a need for park facilities there as well, and this is one way to meet some of that future need. This or any future project in the SOI will go through the normal planning process, including public hearings.
I hope this information is helpful.
Happy Holidays!
Kerri
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Again, hope this helps.
Cal
Kerry and Kerri have the same exact response ?
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 09:23 AM
A Big League Dreams facility would be nice, but “$450,000” is way too much for just a license. I would like to see the city build facilities that resemble Clarks Field in Woodland, James Field in Auburn and/or Galt Community Park in Galt. These facilities are great for youth programs, attract tournaments, and have a "uniqueness" about them. If the City was smart about it they should design “Folsom’s version” of a Big League Dreams facility without the licensing.
Clark Field – Woodland
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 10:38 AM
Lets start at the beginning...if Folsom wasn't annexing S50 and approving development how many parks/fields would be built S50? Thats right ZERO!
Weren't we all told that S50 would pay for all its impacts and that this wouldn't affect us N50 during the measure W campaign?
Why in the HE@@ is the City fronting $450,000 for licensing fees, when its the landowners/developers obligations to build all the Parks S50? If the landowners/developers S50 want a BLD in S50 have them write the check and go for it!
The City needs to complete the Park Master Plan for S50 and then calculate how much the impact fees should be assessed per parcel and adopt the fee to pay for all the Parks/fields for S50. Also, the city needs to send the Landowners the bill for the cost of all the planning for the Park Master Plan.
HE@@ will freeze over before this Council makes Developers pay for their impacts!
I'm sure there is a joyus celebration erupting all over Folsom today as Residents learn that the Mello-Roos payments they are making isn't Debt! I'm sure we all will sleep so much better tonight knowing the City of Folosm isn't in debt, its the residents who are stuck with paying the bill!
Mello-Roos, is a code name that developers and Council members use that translates to "Profit Maximizer", because developers don't have to pay for their impacts becasue it gets financed onto the backs of homeowners. One Council member has acknowledged that most of the debt in Folsom is really Mello-Roos. MERRY CHRISTMAS RESIDENTS!
Weren't we all told that S50 would pay for all its impacts and that this wouldn't affect us N50 during the measure W campaign?
Why in the HE@@ is the City fronting $450,000 for licensing fees, when its the landowners/developers obligations to build all the Parks S50? If the landowners/developers S50 want a BLD in S50 have them write the check and go for it!
The City needs to complete the Park Master Plan for S50 and then calculate how much the impact fees should be assessed per parcel and adopt the fee to pay for all the Parks/fields for S50. Also, the city needs to send the Landowners the bill for the cost of all the planning for the Park Master Plan.
HE@@ will freeze over before this Council makes Developers pay for their impacts!
I'm sure there is a joyus celebration erupting all over Folsom today as Residents learn that the Mello-Roos payments they are making isn't Debt! I'm sure we all will sleep so much better tonight knowing the City of Folosm isn't in debt, its the residents who are stuck with paying the bill!
Mello-Roos, is a code name that developers and Council members use that translates to "Profit Maximizer", because developers don't have to pay for their impacts becasue it gets financed onto the backs of homeowners. One Council member has acknowledged that most of the debt in Folsom is really Mello-Roos. MERRY CHRISTMAS RESIDENTS!
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 11:04 AM
I can't wait to play basketball at a 1/8 scale replica of ARCO!
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 11:24 AM
I didn't know you were that short. I would expect a 1/4 scale would be enough for even you to slamdunk.I can't wait to play basketball at a 1/8 scale replica of ARCO!
I would rather be Backpacking
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