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[The Average Joe]

but why wont people have the GUTS to call what it is. An act of Terror.

Haven't you heard, there is no terrorism...only "man-caused disasters."
I see it as terrorism, just as I see gangs as terrorists.

Nut jobs are everywhere, BUT like I smelled it. This is the work of Palin/Beck/Foxnews sympathisizer who has the same genetic defect as the "birther" "Obamacare" idiots who have NO clue what the hell they are talking about.

Apparently you missed this part (which reinforces my previous post),
"Giffords was the target of a gunman whom he described as mentally unstable."

Since when does fox/palin/beck call for a new gold based currency? And as one of the "Obamacare idiots," I have tried to EDUCATE the uninformed with concrete facts and examples as to why it is a disaster of epic proportions. I have done so without insulting or stereotyping vast numbers of people. Try it sometime. Oh, and just to broaden your myopic view, being against Obamacare does not make one a birther any more than you being a forum poster makes you informed.

[Chris]

I agree, this is terrorism and should be addressed as so, just like when hardcore religious right bomb abortion clinics and such, that is terrorism! Some people are crazy! So many effected by this persons stupidness.

Agreed, but you left out the "left". Read this it might help you with a term paper someday. We still don't know if this guy was a right wing nut or a left wing nut so let's all chill. Chris

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf


"Between 1988 and 1998, 13, 858 people died in attacks committed by the 10 most active
terrorist organizations in the world. The most violent of these was the Kurdistan
Workers’ Party (PKK), which was responsible for 3,575 deaths. When all of the deaths
attributed to these groups are compared, leftist organizations were responsible for 10,198
or 74 percent of all people killed by the 10 major terrorist groups during this time period
(Omestad, et al., 1999). From an international perspective, leftist terrorism is alive and
well."
"EXTREMISM ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT
Many believe that leftist extremism in the United States was at its peak during the 1960s
and 1970s and that right-wing extremism then became the major threat. While the
bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City and a number of other
incidents attributed to right-wing extremists indicate that the major threat is from the
right, leftist extremism remains a concern within the United States.
Left-wing groups were responsible for three-fourths of the officially designated acts of
domestic terrorism in the United States during the 1980s. About half of these incidents
were committed by Puerto Rican separatist groups and the remainder by traditional leftist
terrorist groups like M19CO (Smith, 1994)."

[palango]

All I have to say to the Palin Beck supporters is that palin and Beck are hate mongers and terrorists themselves dusguised as Patriots. Love the "crosshairs" on the following image from Palin...

http://us4palin.com/...-takeastand.jpg


"If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employsterror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

I define terrorist.

Thus a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism,especially as a political weapon.

If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me aterrorist is Ad hominem.

You call me a terrorist.

Thus the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem."

Jared Loughner

[JLD]

Today is a very sad day for our country.

While Sarah Palin and Sharon Angle and others are not directly responsible for the shootings their use of language and imagery was inciteful. Sharon Angle has used the phrase "2nd amendment remedies" for example. Horrible.

The following clip shows congresswoman Griffords refering to the crosshairs on Palin's website:



Whether or not the shooters were fans of Palin, her use of language such as "RELOAD" and images with the crosshairs is offensive and irresponsible.

[Runner]

Agreed, but you left out the "left". Read this it might help you with a term paper someday. We still don't know if this guy was a right wing nut or a left wing nut so let's all chill. Chris

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf


"Between 1988 and 1998, 13, 858 people died in attacks committed by the 10 most active
terrorist organizations in the world. The most violent of these was the Kurdistan
Workers’ Party (PKK), which was responsible for 3,575 deaths. When all of the deaths
attributed to these groups are compared, leftist organizations were responsible for 10,198
or 74 percent of all people killed by the 10 major terrorist groups during this time period
(Omestad, et al., 1999). From an international perspective, leftist terrorism is alive and
well."
"EXTREMISM ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT
Many believe that leftist extremism in the United States was at its peak during the 1960s
and 1970s and that right-wing extremism then became the major threat. While the
bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City and a number of other
incidents attributed to right-wing extremists indicate that the major threat is from the
right, leftist extremism remains a concern within the United States.
Left-wing groups were responsible for three-fourths of the officially designated acts of
domestic terrorism in the United States during the 1980s. About half of these incidents
were committed by Puerto Rican separatist groups and the remainder by traditional leftist
terrorist groups like M19CO (Smith, 1994)."

They were included in the "and such", sorry, the first thing that came to mind was what I put, I recognize that there are many right and left wing nuts, thanks for the term paper info, look at you...is that MLA formate or APA, maybe Turiban?

[Dave Burrell]

Skip the courts and just hang the bastard immediately to show the people that this will not be tolerated.

[camay2327]

Skip the courts and just hang the bastard immediately to show the people that this will not be tolerated.

Dave, that's what I have been saying. I sure would pull the switch, put the noose around his neck, drop the guillotine blade. I don't care how sick the bastard is.

[Dave Burrell]

Dave, that's what I have been saying. I sure would pull the switch, put the noose around his neck, drop the guillotine blade. I don't care how sick the bastard is.

I agree. This guy needs to be delt with swiftly like Timothy McVeigh. I also agree with palango that this was an act of terrorism against our country. Race religion politics matter not, this was mass murder

[palango]

The "Lock and Load" Rhetoric of American Politics Isn't Just a Metaphor

I'm not saying that putting a bullseye on Arizona Democrat Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' congressional race - as Sarah Palin did - was an explicit or intentional invitation to violence. Nor am I saying that the "Get on Target for Victory" events held by the guy Giffords beat - "Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly" - was the reason her assassin went after her. This tragedy is still unfolding, and the questions of motive and incitement will be argued about for a long time to come.

But I am saying that the "lock and load"/"take up your arms" rhetoric of American politics isn't just an overheated metaphor. For years, the language of sports has dominated political journalism, and discourse about hardball and the horserace and the rest of the macho athletic lexicon has been a factor in the trivialization of our public sphere. This has helped dumb down democracy, making a serious national discussion about anything important too wonky for words.

The "second amendment solution," though, does something worse than make politics a branch of entertainment. It makes it a blood sport. I know politics ain't beanbag. But words have consequences, rhetoric shapes reality, and much as we like to believe that we are creatures of reason, there is something about our species' limbic system and lizard brainstems that makes us susceptible to irrational fantasies.[/color]

If you're worried that violent video games may make kids prone to bad behavior; if you think that misogynic and homophobic rap lyrics are dangerous to society; if you believe that a nipple in a Superbowl halftime show is a threat to our moral fabric - then surely you should also fear that the way public and media figures have framed political participation with shooting gallery imagery is just as potentially lethal.

[/font]
Marty Kaplan
Director, Norman Lear Center and Professor at the USC Annenberg School

[palango]

"We're on Sarah Palin's targeted list," Giffords said at the time. "The way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they've got to realize there are consequences to that action."

Palin's Facebook page had the following comment in the hours after the shooting:

"My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona."

Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Palin

Sarah Palin is a freaking hypocrite. She is a terrorist and ANYONE that supports her or the hate monger Beck is a Terrorist supporter!!!!

[The Average Joe]

If you're worried that violent video games may make kids prone to bad behavior; if you think that misogynic and homophobic rap lyrics are dangerous to society; if you believe that a nipple in a Superbowl halftime show is a threat to our moral fabric -

If you think the sight of a nipple will disrupt the moral fabric of our society...you are an idiot.
If you believe that stuff incites normal people to acy dangerously and violently...you're off base. I will allow for the possibility that it might affect unstable individuals...but then again, so will a bowl of stale cheerios...or a wrong number...or a hangnail.

Blaming all this on a political party or particular person just weakens your argument and makes you sound as looney as the people you are spouting about. Facts are facts...listen closely...the aggregate number of leftist attacks outweighs the righty attacks in the US (not positive on international). Both parties attacks are far outweighed by nutjobs doing so because of the voices in their heads. If you believe video games cause mass murder, you're a fool. Beck and Palin are not terrorists any more than Pelosi or Obama are. Get a grip. They merely believe something politically different than you do. Your rhetoric is not helpful or persuasive.

[The Average Joe]

The shooters favorite books...

Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Make your own interpretation...

And the Sheriff says what I've been saying all along, "All I can tell you is that there's reason to believe is that this individual may have a mental issue."

The army also rejected his enrollment but will not specify why due to privacy concerns.

[M.E.G.]

+1

M.E.G.

If you're worried that violent video games may make kids prone to bad behavior; if you think that misogynic and homophobic rap lyrics are dangerous to society; if you believe that a nipple in a Superbowl halftime show is a threat to our moral fabric -

If you think the sight of a nipple will disrupt the moral fabric of our society...you are an idiot.
If you believe that stuff incites normal people to acy dangerously and violently...you're off base. I will allow for the possibility that it might affect unstable individuals...but then again, so will a bowl of stale cheerios...or a wrong number...or a hangnail.

Blaming all this on a political party or particular person just weakens your argument and makes you sound as looney as the people you are spouting about. Facts are facts...listen closely...the aggregate number of leftist attacks outweighs the righty attacks in the US (not positive on international). Both parties attacks are far outweighed by nutjobs doing so because of the voices in their heads. If you believe video games cause mass murder, you're a fool. Beck and Palin are not terrorists any more than Pelosi or Obama are. Get a grip. They merely believe something politically different than you do. Your rhetoric is not helpful or persuasive.

[palango]

sure when its a WHITE looney GOP guy that CLEARLY in his own words recite the mantra of the tea party with anti immigrant sentiments, he has "mental' issues, but had he been middle eastern, you would have the terrorist Palin and Beck AND the mainstream media having a field day with the term "terrorist". The media STILL has not called this rampage a terroristic one and some Palin/Beck supporters here at MyFolsom.com are STILL in denial.

If Palin and Beck had a child , it would be this kid which are all descndents of David Koresh. heck, David koresh's talking points are eerily simillar to those of beck.

I stand FIRMLY behind my statements that Palin and Beck are terrorists and ANYONE who listens,supports them are Terrorist supporters. And the kindergarten like statements like "Blaming all this on a political party or particular person just weakens your argument and makes you sound as looney as the people you are spouting about" make me think what is the difference between a "looney" jehadist with middle eastern descent that is brainwashed by this idiot criminal http://en.wikipedia....Anwar_al-Awlaki vs a White gun touting Tea party poster looney guy that listens to Palin/Beck criminal? yes, I just compared the "patriots" Palin/beck to the insanely criminal Al Qaeda recruiter.

[palango]

The best thing I have read on this thus far is....Why is BillZ and MaxineR (the super steroid trigger happy anti Obama and tea party loving patriots) and all the Palin/Beck soooo silent. I can hear the crickets chirping. I do give credit to folks like averagejoe who is not hiding in their caves when the kitchen is hot.

Although there's no evidence Tea Party rhetoric had anything to do with Giffords' shooting, it can be no surprise that her father, when asked if his daughter had enemies, told the New York Post tearfully, "Yeah, the whole Tea Party."

Maybe in the days to come conservatives will listen to Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, who denounced "the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about the government" at a Saturday night press conference. The 50-year law enforcement veteran, who courageously bucked his state's anti-immigrant racial profiling law last year, declared that "the bigotry that goes on in this country is outrageous, and unfortunately…Arizona has become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry." Dupnik noted that Giffords had a meeting disrupted in 2009 when "someone dropped a weapon out of their pants," that a door was shattered at her headquarters after she voted for healthcare reform last March, and also revealed that "a suspicious package" had been delivered to her Tuscon office and is still being investigated.


http://www.salon.com...ric_of_violence