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[Bill Z]

Wha??? On one hand you want that word removed from tombstone markers, but at the same time you want that word to still be allowed to be used? Is it ok for some people to use it but not others?

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apples and oranges, too different things.

What people are allowed to say vs. what should or should not be on a memorial marker. And like I said, if the gravestones were original grave markers, I would be in favor of leaving the language, no matter how offensive, in place.
I view a certain sacredness to original grave markers. Crap produced decades later is just that, crap.

Sorry we don't see eye to eye on this.

[Andrea V]

I think it should stay as it is, unless the FAMILY wants it changed... Who are WE to change it? It is not OURS (as of right now, and yeah I get it was not ours then either, not my point) to change it now cos we feel bad how ever many years later about the wording...

There is things I would like changed in the bible too please... it offends me some times...

[Bill Z]

I think it should stay as it is, unless the FAMILY wants it changed... Who are WE to change it? It is not OURS (as of right now, and yeah I get it was not ours then either, not my point) to change it now cos we feel bad how ever many years later about the wording...

There is things I would like changed in the bible too please... it offends me some times...

Family?!

That's a good one.

[Andrea V]

Family?!

That's a good one.

do u think people other than family should have the right to change ANY stone just cos they want to?

[Bill Z]

do u think people other than family should have the right to change ANY stone just cos they want to?

Who is the family of a gravestone marked "unknown"?

Who cares what some schmuck put on a headstone many decades after someone was buried and the schmuck had no clue whose bones they dug up to relocate anyway.

[Andrea V]

Who is the family of a gravestone marked "unknown"?

Who cares what some schmuck put on a headstone many decades after someone was buried and the schmuck had no clue whose bones they dug up to relocate anyway.

yeah, but if ppl can change it just cos they don't like what it says, then who is to say they won't change the one for ur family, just cos they don't like the poem you used... (for example)

I think they should not change it. Not their choice to change it now... too late. Should have changed it back then, and if not, then it is what it is.... it is not meant as hateful. Nor was it meant to be hateful when it was written...

it's just I am not a fan of opening the door to stuff being changed on a headstone, just cos someone else doesn't like it. It's not theirs.

[Bill Z]

yeah, but if ppl can change it just cos they don't like what it says, then who is to say they won't change the one for ur family, just cos they don't like the poem you used... (for example)

I think they should not change it. Not their choice to change it now... too late. Should have changed it back then, and if not, then it is what it is.... it is not meant as hateful. Nor was it meant to be hateful when it was written...

it's just I am not a fan of opening the door to stuff being changed on a headstone, just cos someone else doesn't like it. It's not theirs.

They aren't original headstones.

BTW, all that is on these markers is:

UNKNOWN
Moved from
N-word Hill Cemetery
by
US Government - 1954

Yep, that is something real special worth keeping, brings tears to my eyes just thinking of the lovely feelings that went into that wonderful prosaic inscription.

Yep, that's the kind of memorial that family members want their loved ones to have.

If these were original headstones, I would have a different opinion, I would think they should be left alone, but they aren't whatever was used to mark the gravesite originally. It's a lousy government created marker with no thought put into it.

[ducky]

yeah, but if ppl can change it just cos they don't like what it says, then who is to say they won't change the one for ur family, just cos they don't like the poem you used... (for example)

I think they should not change it. Not their choice to change it now... too late. Should have changed it back then, and if not, then it is what it is.... it is not meant as hateful. Nor was it meant to be hateful when it was written...

it's just I am not a fan of opening the door to stuff being changed on a headstone, just cos someone else doesn't like it. It's not theirs.

I'd agree with you if the words on the headstones were chosen by the families of the deceased or the deceased themselves. They weren't. They were unknown. It is the location that has the offensive name that these departed were moved from that someone in the '50s decided to add to the individual markers. I think a sign or plaque explaining where the unknown graves were moved from is enough. The individuals deserve to have it removed from their headstones. They didn't have family to do it for them. That means we should pick up the slack and make it right.

The young scout who started this, I believe, got private donations to pay to fix this.

[Andrea V]

They aren't original headstones.

BTW, all that is on these markers is:



Yep, that is something real special worth keeping, brings tears to my eyes just thinking of the lovely feelings that went into that wonderful prosaic inscription.

Yep, that's the kind of memorial that family members want their loved ones to have.

If these were original headstones, I would have a different opinion, I would think they should be left alone, but they aren't whatever was used to mark the gravesite originally. It's a lousy government created marker with no thought put into it.

quit being a doooouche! now I remember why I left here in the 1st place.

I'd agree with you if the words on the headstones were chosen by the families of the deceased or the deceased themselves. They weren't. They were unknown. It is the location that has the offensive name that these departed were moved from that someone in the '50s decided to add to the individual markers. I think a sign or plaque explaining where the unknown graves were moved from is enough. The individuals deserve to have it removed from their headstones. They didn't have family to do it for them. That means we should pick up the slack and make it right.

The young scout who started this, I believe, got private donations to pay to fix this.

That's fine, just hope these scouts don't decide to go and change other ones cos they say Atheist... just cos that might mean they could go to hellll...

[Bill Z]

quit being a doooouche! now I remember why I left here in the 1st place.


That's fine, just hope these scouts don't decide to go and change other ones cos they say Atheist... just cos that might mean they could go to hellll...

I'm curious why you think these headstones are worth keeping. Is that something you would want over your great great great great grandfathers grave? We don't even know the nationality of the bones, we only know where they were buried originally. If you don't have hard documentation on your ancestry going back to the mid 1800's, who knows, anyone of us may be a relative of one of these graves. I know I would rather my ancient relatives have either nothing or something better than these crass markers marking their second internment.

[ducky]

That's fine, just hope these scouts don't decide to go and change other ones cos they say Atheist... just cos that might mean they could go to hellll...
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I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here. If someone is a self-proclaimed atheist, I don't think they'd find that offensive on their headstone.

[Andrea V]

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I'm curious why you think these headstones are worth keeping. Is that something you would want over your great great great great grandfathers grave? We don't even know the nationality of the bones, we only know where they were buried originally. If you don't have hard documentation on your ancestry going back to the mid 1800's, who knows, anyone of us may be a relative of one of these graves. I know I would rather my ancient relatives have either nothing or something better than these crass markers marking their second internment.
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Sooo, because YOU want it that way, everyone should agree with you, and we are all shameful for not agreeing with you? is that what you are saying?

And what does my family tree have to do with the fact that I am not ok with changing headstones unless ur related to them... (no idea if I am related to them, so it is NOT my place to come decide that cos *I* am offended by that word, that it MUST BE REMOVED cos *I* think they would not like it)

Seems to me like you would want to change EVERYONE to be something that doesn't offend you.

It's not like it says Here lies N-word Tom... its just the place it was from.. BFD.

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I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here. If someone is a self-proclaimed atheist, I don't think they'd find that offensive on their headstone.
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I am comparing CHANGING a headstone at ALL, just cos a word offends you.

[Bill Z]

I am comparing CHANGING a headstone at ALL, just cos a word offends you.

If it was an original headstone, I would wholeheartedly agree with you.