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[Redone]

The laws are meant to allow for equal access so that we don't end up in segregated cities, townships, regions, counties or bi-states.

Now wouldn't that just stink? Half a state of haves. Half a state of have nots. and ne'r mix betwixt nor between?

More Utopian thinking ...

If the Feds just outlawed income , your dream can be accomplished. For those of us who are self-employed we believe risk and work might still equal reward.

[supermom]

I'm really not tracking your train of thought processes.

[old soldier]

I'm really not tracking your train of thought processes.

I think what he is saying is sort of what the government is doing, kind of balancing out the wealth,take from the rich and give to the poorer folks..its not right for folks to have too much and others not enough. Its too bad the rich folks worked harder to get the money, but the government has the power to force this distribution through taxes.

we may get to the point where the rich folks finally realize that hard work is not worth it and they will to kick back and let the government give them handouts as well. the same goes with houses. look at south sac, their houses are nothing like ours in folsom, and they have lots of crime and drive by shootings, maybe the crime as well as the wealth can be spread around a little.

this has been going on for a long time...I first saw it when I read about robin hood whose whole game was taking from the rich and giving to the poor. of course back then they had kings and queens who had all the money.

[Redone]

I'm really not tracking your train of thought processes.

Exactly ..... but the Old Soldier gets it.

[The Average Joe]

At best, your position is ignorant.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone who is being paid minimum wage-to want to live with close enough enough proximity to to schoools and employment to not have to rely on necessity of private transportation. And the public transportation in folsom is what is laughable-here. Do you really think it is ok to continue to import 3rd class workers into folsom by day-and tell they they aren't welcom to live here here because (?) ....you donkt think developers should show some propers foresight and planning when building for an entire community? You don't see the inequality in a city not demanding developers to do so? Ok. Glad you thought that through and didn't knee-jerk: oh my god- we can't be having poor people up in here.
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I lived in some really frightening and impoverished areas over the years. I lived in those areas because that was what I could afford. I commuted to work and did not take any government assistance.
Now, after years of "paying my dues," I am fortunate enough to be able to afford to live in a great community. I EARNED that. There is no implied "right" to live in a nice neighborhood, nor is there a "right" to have your housing subsidized. You EARN the privilege of living where you want.
It has gotten to the point where we are subsidizing middle class lifestyle, not just that of the poor. Want a cellphone? Check. Want little to no rent? Check. Free food? Check. Insurance, water, electricity subsidy? Check, check and check. Want to live somewhere you can't afford? Check.

Trouble is, there are fewer and fewer of those of us writing the check to carry those that can't, or oftentimes won't help themselves.
Now, where can I sign up to have my Santa Barbara Hope Ranch beachfront home subsidized? I'm thinking of moving my business there, and I'll need some affordable housing...

[Chris]

I'm with ya Joe.... If you want to live in Folsom, work your butt off at as many jobs as it takes, get an education so you make more money, save your pennies and then maybe you can live here....? That's how it works....! I've lived is some pretty bad areas with graphiti everywhere, gang bangers walking down the streets, dopers selling drugs a few houses away, bums in the bushes in front of my house, beer bottles tossed on my lawn..... I wanted to get out of there so I worked hard and stayed in school working the graveyard shifts to make ends meat. That is what it takes, no more handouts....! Let them take light rail or carpool....! Chris

[ducky]

You'd think there were nothing but mansions and millionaires in Folsom the way some of you are painting it.

There are lots of affordable houses in Folsom that were built in the '50s. They don't have a lot of square footage, but they are good little houses close to schools and not all that far from light rail or a bus to get you to light rail. I'm always surprised we don't see more young families and couples buying them.

[Redone]

You'd think there were nothing but mansions and millionaires in Folsom the way some of you are painting it.

There are lots of affordable houses in Folsom that were built in the '50s. They don't have a lot of square footage, but they are good little houses close to schools and not all that far from light rail or a bus to get you to light rail. I'm always surprised we don't see more young families and couples buying them.

Ditto , best comments so far. This isn't Beverly Hills for heavens sake.

[caligirlz]

There are lots of affordable houses in Folsom that were built in the '50s. They don't have a lot of square footage, but they are good little houses close to schools and not all that far from light rail or a bus to get you to light rail. I'm always surprised we don't see more young families and couples buying them.

Hmm....I'm curious now, what's price is considered "affordable"?

Is there more than one neighborhood that fits this description? Or are you referring to the area between Wales & Montrose? If so, perhaps it is because they were warned, like I was, to stay away.

[ducky]

Hmm....I'm curious now, what's price is considered "affordable"?

Is there more than one neighborhood that fits this description? Or are you referring to the area between Wales & Montrose? If so, perhaps it is because they were warned, like I was, to stay away.

Aside from some apartments near Talisman and Montrose, I don't know what you were warned about. I'm sure it's the same snobby BS we've been hearing since we moved here in '83.

I guess it all depends on how badly you really want to live in Folsom. If you don't need cookie cutter and are willing to do some DIY, it's do-able. We live not far from the area you were "warned about" and have never had a problem. In fact, if you want to, go ahead and look in the Folsom police blog and see where crimes happen in Folsom. I think you will find some there, but certainly not the majority.

[The Average Joe]

"Affordable" is entirely subjective, so it is pretty worthless as a metric of any sort.

Anyplace in Folsom is a pretty decent place to live because we have a great community... but nobody is ENTITLED to live here.

Let me leave this discussion with this...Why stop with housing? Why not make cars "affordable" for those who lack the means to purchase that new Lexus? Why not give them all new IPhones? We certainly wouldn't want people to have to live within their means!

[supermom]

"Affordable" is entirely subjective, so it is pretty worthless as a metric of any sort.

Anyplace in Folsom is a pretty decent place to live because we have a great community... but nobody is ENTITLED to live here.

Let me leave this discussion with this...Why stop with housing? Why not make cars "affordable" for those who lack the means to purchase that new Lexus? Why not give them all new IPhones? We certainly wouldn't want people to have to live within their means!

this is not an objective look atthe argument as presented to the courts.

People are not askin for a free home. They aren't asking for the iphone of homes in folsom (btw iphone is a 3rd best tool--sprint rules the phone business, right now).

these people are requesting planninf for motorolla basic coverage types of homes within equal access to public schools, businesses and transportation within folsom.

There are a few people on this thread who appear to be over dramatizing--over inflating and mis repreresenting the purposes of this law.

I find that distasteful. It's almost like a form of prejudice....The sky is falling. How dare people down the street struggle and show their sweat. Don't they know they are supposed to struggle and succeed somewhere else? THEN, they can bring their money here. Because magically, once they cqn qfford a 2000 sq. ft. home--they are quality, good caliber people....


Wow..

[caligirlz]

Aside from some apartments near Talisman and Montrose, I don't know what you were warned about. I'm sure it's the same snobby BS we've been hearing since we moved here in '83.

I guess it all depends on how badly you really want to live in Folsom. If you don't need cookie cutter and are willing to do some DIY, it's do-able. We live not far from the area you were "warned about" and have never had a problem. In fact, if you want to, go ahead and look in the Folsom police blog and see where crimes happen in Folsom. I think you will find some there, but certainly not the majority.

I was told about the snobby BS aka "Folsom Royalty" too. That kind of snobbery is the same everywhere.

A lot of people don't have the know-how, the muscles or the time for much DIY, though. When you have to pay someone to do the work, then it's almost easier to do the "turn-key" cookie-cutter thing. I can remember buying my first house with the ex... we were going to do all these improvements. The furtherest we got was repainting & tearing down wallpaper. We lived with the lime green linoleum, lime green kitchen appliances and the shag rug carpet for years.

I am trying really hard to look beyond the comestic challenges of the homes on the market, but it's really hard. So, in the meantime, I will continue to rent & enjoy life. IMO, "living" in a town is not synonymous with owning a home (although, I know this is the theme of the topic).

[supermom]

My link

There actually is a definition for affordable housing.

My link

Federal Fair housing laws

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The first paragraph kinda explains why low income families get that boost for housing that you think is unfair.


There is a difference between struggle and apathy.

On both ends of the sliding scale of income.

[ducky]

I was told about the snobby BS aka "Folsom Royalty" too. That kind of snobbery is the same everywhere.

A lot of people don't have the know-how, the muscles or the time for much DIY, though. When you have to pay someone to do the work, then it's almost easier to do the "turn-key" cookie-cutter thing. I can remember buying my first house with the ex... we were going to do all these improvements. The furtherest we got was repainting & tearing down wallpaper. We lived with the lime green linoleum, lime green kitchen appliances and the shag rug carpet for years.

I am trying really hard to look beyond the comestic challenges of the homes on the market, but it's really hard. So, in the meantime, I will continue to rent & enjoy life. IMO, "living" in a town is not synonymous with owning a home (although, I know this is the theme of the topic).

It may be easier to do the cookie-cutter thing, but where is it written that life was supposed to be easy? Maybe there wouldn't be so many people in foreclosure or underwater in their mortgages if they had stayed within their means. If you can afford the giant house and all the giant upkeep that comes with it, great, go for it.

We bought a house we could afford and stayed. We would have loved more room, a beautiful kitchen, and maybe a pool, but we couldn't afford it. According to what I've seen listed as the average income in Folsom in the past, we shouldn't be able to afford to live here either. It can be done if you work hard. We lived with the green linoleum and green bathtub until we could afford to replace them. It took a long time. We didn't buy our house as DIY experts, but we did our homework and learned. It's amazing what you can do when you have to.

Now, I'm going to try to get back to the subject. I don't see why Folsom has to provide this type of housing so people can "live where they work." I don't get to work where I live. Are there really that many jobs unfilled because people can't live here? Are there really people already living in Folsom that don't need those jobs? Or are we building housing so that people that don't have jobs and don't want jobs can live here?