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What is the deceased name ?

[ducky]

Questions that cross my mind at some of the comments. What was someone possibly hoping to steal from someone that is homeless and had nothing? Were drugs involved somehow?

Our new police chief sure has her work cut out for her with all the problems lately.

What is the deceased name ?

Minor Leon, 19 years old.

[Livedheretoolong]

Questions that cross my mind at some of the comments. What was someone possibly hoping to steal from someone that is homeless and had nothing? Were drugs involved somehow?

Our new police chief sure has her work cut out for her with all the problems lately.

Blame the victim and his friends, they cause most of the trouble around this city

[ducky]

Blame the victim and his friends, they cause most of the trouble around this city

That doesn't really answer the question.

Also, FYI, answering nature's call in an alley is probably in violation of one of Folsom's municipal codes and not really appreciated by merchants.

[caligirlz]

Many people are misinformed on the circumstances of this situation. I knew both of the people involved and was at the scene when this happened. It's extremely unfortunate that the situation escalated to this point; but there are a couple of things I'd like to make more clear to some of the people on this board. I don't feel anyone deserves to die for stealing, but there are some things to take into account with the situation in question.

1.The victim in question was in the process of stealing Josh's backpack from the ally next to the Round Table on Riley, which had all of his belongings and money; including the knife. Both of them ran by me while I was answering nature's call in an ally. The victim had the backpack in his hand, Josh was right behind him and did not have a weapon in his hand. I don't know exactly what happened when they ran around the corner; but it's entirely possible the victim pulled the knife from the bag and that this is a self defense situation.

2.The victim in question has a history of assaults, robberies, and generally got into trouble often. Most of the kids who associated with him are currently evading warrents in the Folsom area for the same kinds of crimes. He was not "a quiet kid who kept to himself" as some people who have tried to say; he planned on robbing Josh, his friends were at the scene before the cops were, they were waiting around the corner for him in case he gave chase. These kids are known for jumping people in groups; Josh has absolutely no criminal record to speak of. Once again, I'm not saying the victim deserved to die, but he also antagonised the situation and is in no way a model member of the community.

3.The backpack was missing from the scene; the victims friends were leaving the scene as the cops showed up. This means, despite the fact that their friend was dead or dying on the ground; they were still more concerned with coming up at someone else's expense than about their friend.

4.Josh is by far one of the kindest, most level-headed people i've ever met. The person I know isn't cold blooded to the point where he would stab someone over some stolen belongings unless he saw no other alternative, i.e. self defense. He did not have a knife in his hand while he was chasing this person, he fully cooperated with the police, and he looked horrified at what had happened when he ran back to where we were. Josh is not a murderer; he's a kid who happened into a horrible situation and now may possibly pay for it for the rest of his life.

Once again, I was one of the last people to see the victim alive; I was literally around the corner when it happened and gave my statement to the police. This is an overall horrible situation that never should have happened. But if you're looking for someone to blame to the rise in meyhem in this city; look at the victim and the victim's associates. The cops will tell you the exact same thing. When you lie, fight, and steal, this is what happens. I'm extremely sorry for the victim's family, but I'm also pulling for my friend who is in for the fight of his life.

Hope I was able to clarify things for some people.

Thank you for telling us what happened. Your report concerning Josh was very similar to what I heard this morning. A coworker & her family know him personally also.

[Livedheretoolong]

That doesn't really answer the question.

Also, FYI, answering nature's call in an alley is probably in violation of one of Folsom's municipal codes and not really appreciated by merchants.

Oh so sorry, it was midnight and there was nowhere else nearby to go. I can assure you the police didn't care about that little tidbit of information considering what happened nearby.

and answering the question; besides a little bit of pot, I dont believe drugs were involved. The victim knew there were valuebles in the bag and he took off with it. When you live your life dishonestly, bad things happen to you. I hope it sends a message to his friends about having consequences to their actions.

[ducky]

Oh so sorry, it was midnight and there was nowhere else nearby to go. I can assure you the police didn't care about that little tidbit of information considering what happened nearby.

and answering the question; besides a little bit of pot, I dont believe drugs were involved. The victim knew there were valuebles in the bag and he took off with it. When you live your life dishonestly, bad things happen to you. I hope it sends a message to his friends about having consequences to their actions.

If it was truly self-defense, I hope the PD or a jury gets to the truth. Whatever happens, I hope friends on both sides reconsider how they are living. I hope it wakes some parents up, too.

[DougP]

Ah, the Internet is a wonderful thing.

Since everyone is playing armchair prosecutor, I decided to look both the suspect and the victim up in the Sacramento Superior Court database.

Both have criminal records. Neither is a saint. Based on the records of both of them, if past behavior is a predictor of future behavior, then this was an unfortunate combination that met up that day.

Although one of them has pled no contest to arguably more serious crimes.

[GFFmatt]

Many people are misinformed on the circumstances of this situation. I knew both of the people involved and was at the scene when this happened. It's extremely unfortunate that the situation escalated to this point; but there are a couple of things I'd like to make more clear to some of the people on this board. I don't feel anyone deserves to die for stealing, but there are some things to take into account with the situation in question.

1.The victim in question was in the process of stealing Josh's backpack from the ally next to the Round Table on Riley, which had all of his belongings and money; including the knife. Both of them ran by me while I was answering nature's call in an ally. The victim had the backpack in his hand, Josh was right behind him and did not have a weapon in his hand. I don't know exactly what happened when they ran around the corner; but it's entirely possible the victim pulled the knife from the bag and that this is a self defense situation.

2.The victim in question has a history of assaults, robberies, and generally got into trouble often. Most of the kids who associated with him are currently evading warrents in the Folsom area for the same kinds of crimes. He was not "a quiet kid who kept to himself" as some people who have tried to say; he planned on robbing Josh, his friends were at the scene before the cops were, they were waiting around the corner for him in case he gave chase. These kids are known for jumping people in groups; Josh has absolutely no criminal record to speak of. Once again, I'm not saying the victim deserved to die, but he also antagonised the situation and is in no way a model member of the community.

3.The backpack was missing from the scene; the victims friends were leaving the scene as the cops showed up. This means, despite the fact that their friend was dead or dying on the ground; they were still more concerned with coming up at someone else's expense than about their friend.

4.Josh is by far one of the kindest, most level-headed people i've ever met. The person I know isn't cold blooded to the point where he would stab someone over some stolen belongings unless he saw no other alternative, i.e. self defense. He did not have a knife in his hand while he was chasing this person, he fully cooperated with the police, and he looked horrified at what had happened when he ran back to where we were. Josh is not a murderer; he's a kid who happened into a horrible situation and now may possibly pay for it for the rest of his life.

Once again, I was one of the last people to see the victim alive; I was literally around the corner when it happened and gave my statement to the police. This is an overall horrible situation that never should have happened. But if you're looking for someone to blame to the rise in meyhem in this city; look at the victim and the victim's associates. The cops will tell you the exact same thing. When you lie, fight, and steal, this is what happens. I'm extremely sorry for the victim's family, but I'm also pulling for my friend who is in for the fight of his life.

Hope I was able to clarify things for some people.

So... you were relieving yourself in an alley? Thanks for that.

It's unfortuante that this happened. But nothing good happens after midnight, kids. Don't be out after that.

Sounds like a guy was trying to steal and paid the ultimate price by the hand of another guy who isn't making the greatest choices in the life either.

I think this town is too transient friendly.

[Livedheretoolong]

So... you were relieving yourself in an alley? Thanks for that.

It's unfortuante that this happened. But nothing good happens after midnight, kids. Don't be out after that.

Sounds like a guy was trying to steal and paid the ultimate price by the hand of another guy who isn't making the greatest choices in the life either.

I think this town is too transient friendly.

Yeah, except he's lived here most of his life and only recently had to take up couch hopping due to an unfortunate set of circumstances. His social status had nothing to do with this crime.

[Steve Heard]

1.The victim in question was in the process of stealing Josh's backpack from the ally next to the Round Table on Riley, which had all of his belongings and money; including the knife. Both of them ran by me while I was answering nature's call in an ally. The victim had the backpack in his hand, Josh was right behind him and did not have a weapon in his hand. I don't know exactly what happened when they ran around the corner; but it's entirely possible the victim pulled the knife from the bag and that this is a self defense situation.

2.The victim in question has a history of assaults, robberies, and generally got into trouble often. Most of the kids who associated with him are currently evading warrents in the Folsom area for the same kinds of crimes. He was not "a quiet kid who kept to himself" as some people who have tried to say; he planned on robbing Josh, his friends were at the scene before the cops were, they were waiting around the corner for him in case he gave chase. These kids are known for jumping people in groups; Josh has absolutely no criminal record to speak of. Once again, I'm not saying the victim deserved to die, but he also antagonised the situation and is in no way a model member of the community.

3.The backpack was missing from the scene; the victims friends were leaving the scene as the cops showed up. This means, despite the fact that their friend was dead or dying on the ground; they were still more concerned with coming up at someone else's expense than about their friend.

I wonder if Joshua is the guy who I encountered a few months ago. My daughter was working at the cupcake joint by the Round Table on Riley. She called me because she said there was a guy acting strangely in the parking lot and she was afraid. He had been staring at her through the window and had passed back and forth several times.

I drove down there and observed a young man who appeared to be in his early twenties, and looked like he'd been wearing the same clothes for a while. He was pacing up and down in the parking lot, and knocking on the window of an obviously empty store front (where the burrito place was). He would go down to the outdoor eating space next to Round Table, then emerge moments later. I was getting concerned and watched as he went back to Wendy's. I went over there and found him inside, staring out the window toward the Round Table and the cupcake place. I think I made him nervous, because he left and went back over to the area by Round Table, and sat next to his backpack. I called the police at this point.

I drove back to the cupcake place and the guy came back out and was walking toward me, mumbling. He passed me and went back to the empty storefront and adjusted the paper cup he had wedged in the door. As he passed me he asked me 'what's up?'

I asked what was up with him, and he walked back over to the Round Table while still talking. I couldn't make out what he was saying. The police arrived and I described the guy and told him where to find him. He said, 'I know him. He's pretty harmless. He got kicked out of his house and hangs out over here. I'll let him know that his behavior is scaring people.'

That was just one of the strange incidents around that shopping area which made me recommend that my daughter quit.

and answering the question; besides a little bit of pot, I dont believe drugs were involved. The victim knew there were valuebles in the bag and he took off with it. When you live your life dishonestly, bad things happen to you. I hope it sends a message to his friends about having consequences to their actions.

Thievery and thuggery should not be punishable by death, but you are correct, when you live your life dishonestly, bad things happen.

If it was truly self-defense, I hope the PD or a jury gets to the truth. Whatever happens, I hope friends on both sides reconsider how they are living. I hope it wakes some parents up, too.

I hope so, but sadly, often the lesson 'learned' by those who live like that is often more about how to better get away with doing wrong, rather than a lesson about doing right.

[Redone]

Ah, the Internet is a wonderful thing.

Since everyone is playing armchair prosecutor, I decided to look both the suspect and the victim up in the Sacramento Superior Court database.

Both have criminal records. Neither is a saint. Based on the records of both of them, if past behavior is a predictor of future behavior, then this was an unfortunate combination that met up that day.

Although one of them has pled no contest to arguably more serious crimes.

Assault with a deadly weapon and battery , twice .... obviously he wasn't just "walking down the street" and got stabbed by a homeless man. It all starts with doing something you shouldn't be doing.

[mac_convert]

How can you look up this information? I'm curious...

Ah, the Internet is a wonderful thing.

Since everyone is playing armchair prosecutor, I decided to look both the suspect and the victim up in the Sacramento Superior Court database.

Both have criminal records. Neither is a saint. Based on the records of both of them, if past behavior is a predictor of future behavior, then this was an unfortunate combination that met up that day.

Although one of them has pled no contest to arguably more serious crimes.

[supermom]

This was a tragic end to many injustices, and socially inadequate services for mentally ill people.
I am positive that many of the issues the two people in this story had- could have been rerouted to a more positive lifestyle.

With that said--intent is pretty much covered in the charge when the person states they carry the weapon for protection. Tehy knew eventually they would use the weapon for the purpose described above.

And no one ever means to kill.

Stories like this reek of personal governance retardation.

[Redone]

How can you look up this information? I'm curious...

By NAME

Court cases are public record.