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#16 rpo

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:48 PM

No because android is inferior to iPhone


That is your opinion, and everyone is allowed to be wrong. :)

I highly doubt I could ever go back to the tiny screen on the iPhone anymore. Each time I use one, it seems really small to me know. I am accustomed to the 4.65" screen on my Android now.

I believe in order for Apple to stop losing ground to Android, they need a change in the UI. It has looked exactly the same for almost five years now. Five years in the tech world means it looks old, outdated, and bland.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:51 PM

One of the best ways to check where things are made around the world is when you are sitting on the toilet with nothing to read but the label on your underwear :)

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:52 PM

That same factory also makes all of HP's computers and printers and they were using that factory long before Apple. Funny how nobody's complaining about HP gruesome factory conditions...

Since HP never adopted any moral high ground, and sold their products for cheap, everyone expected their practices to be as slimy as needed to compete. Apple tried to set itself apart and so invited scrutiny, much the same way Victoria's Secret did with their fair trade cotton BS. Some of the price premium is supposed to be spent on this stuff, that's the deal you make when you buy such things.
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#19 folsom500

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 03:22 PM

Since HP never adopted any moral high ground, and sold their products for cheap, everyone expected their practices to be as slimy as needed to compete. Apple tried to set itself apart and so invited scrutiny, much the same way Victoria's Secret did with their fair trade BS.


Seems your are off on a wild goose chase- the evolution of outsourcing to china for electronics did not start there but in Hong Kong many years ago. Labor was cheap , English was used in the management circles and they had a good level of education, manufacturing and scientific knowledge. They as most other outsourcing countries had minimal environmental protections and lower standards for workers. Taiwan became a force in the 80s and 90s with their engineering expertise and their innovation methods for efficiency that often could be competitive with the emerging low labor rate countries. Taiwan is still one of the most efficient countries in the world in manufacturing even at the higher labor rates. Later it was the Philippines with a 90cent per hour labor rate compared to $2.30 in Hong Kong in the early 90s.. Electonics and Semiconductors were added in Malaysia and other locations and then things went to India and China with 30 cents per hour rates in the early 90s... but both faced a major issue of not being able to handle the technologies and that took many years of training and education from the west and Taiwan to get them to be competitive with both the Philippines and Taiwan. Taiwan was the first country to move into China and create technology centers for manufacturing and was successful in creating a base for building computers and other electronics by using their own engineering expertise while China learning how to handle moving from Rice to Semiconductors...

Today - many of the companies in Hi-tech in China are owned by Taiwan companies and others are state owned or private (to a point)...

Environmental controls are still lax in most offshore manufacturing locations and labor practices are well below what we would allow in the USA... but that does not mean that they have sweat labor nor does it mean that the rank and file workers are being abused.

Consider this scenario which is Foxcon and many other companies in china. The workers are given a living wage (70 cents per hour - over 100% increase in 15 years)far and above what they could make in the fields, they get 2-3 meals a day, they often get lodging and they have enough money to send some home to their families. They can choose to work in a factory or not - they are not indentured and have a choice...
... sure at some point they will have unions or something similar and then the work will find its way to another country that welcomes it...

This is how it has been and how it will be... Over time our products will cost more as the labor costs will increase and the standards will improve.. I have been part of this conversion many times in my past and while it seems unfair when looking from the outside - as long a the companies honor proper labor standards within their country-- it is fair...

Having said that- I do wish we had more manufacturing here in the USA but the costs are often just too high to make it profitable - especially when that manufacturing is manual labor as is the case in many of these factories...

Just something to think about...

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#20 casualforce

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 06:23 PM

I have read articles that calculated Apple could easily make all of their products in the USA and still be profitable.....


Well you've head that form someone who doesn't what they're talking about.

Jobs tried to keep manufacturing here, there weren't enough trained engineers to make it happen in this country, because we spend our money on bombs instead of teachers.

#21 rpo

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 07:07 PM

Well you've head that form someone who doesn't what they're talking about.

Jobs tried to keep manufacturing here, there weren't enough trained engineers to make it happen in this country, because we spend our money on bombs instead of teachers.


I am fairly certain Apple's engineer ARE in the United States. It is just manufacturing that is in China.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:03 PM

I am fairly certain Apple's engineer ARE in the United States. It is just manufacturing that is in China.


I'd be willing to bet that they have engineers in both places.

#23 MurphysLaw

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 10:33 PM

That same factory also makes all of HP's computers and printers and they were using that factory long before Apple. Funny how nobody's complaining about HP gruesome factory conditions...

How about they are both horrible and companies that sell products here should not be treating their workers like that. Even if it's they are in another country.




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