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[Robert Giacometti]

I'm not sure I completely understand what it is the county is proposing? Are they going to build additional runways or just increase the # of flights?

What is the definition of operate responsibly?

I'm chuckling to myself over this one and thinking back to all the growth that has been approved around here and how that growth has contributed to our regional discharge exceeding acceptable levels for our downstreanm neighbors. Now, the existing residents are paying more for regional sanitation, to pay for the additional treatments needed because growth didn't pay for their impacts.

That term, "operate responsibly" sure seems to have different meanings depending on one's agenda!

That Airport was here way before I arrived. I kinda just thought if we as a region were planning on growing that the airport would grow accordingly as well, to help meet the needs of future residents and businesses.

It seems to me that we can't have our cake n eat it too!

[Robert Giacometti]

This is pretty important though. Great for Rancho Cordova for low-wage paying jobs. Bad possibly for OUR property values and quality of life.

Don't worry, it will take a few years before these low wage earning people can apply at Chikafilet and move up here.

Besides, somebody is going to have to live in all that affordable housing the council is spending our tax dollars on building it in the HD, so the Landowners S50 don't have to build it.

[Oroso]

I agree with you if you wanted no noise you should have CHOSEN another place to live

[4thgenFolsomite]

This is all about the future. My family was actually here decades before the air force base was established. So we didn't move here, by the way. Not everyone is a newby.

again, it is how much they intend to grow their business coming in. Likely its the number of flights. Four or flights over the house a day, heck, even one an hour wouldn't bother me. But what if its every 15 minutes? And on different flight paths that come in low over the houses?

You can move into a house next to a farm with 10 chicken houses, let's say. But what if a corporation takes over the farm and puts in 1,000 chicken houses with a 24-hour operating schedule and trucks going in at all hours of the day? That is expansion. And I think that is what our local government leaders are pro-actively trying to protect us against, unbridled expansion at our expense.

[cw68]

This is pretty important though. Great for Rancho Cordova for low-wage paying jobs. Bad possibly for OUR property values and quality of life.

Low paying jobs? Do you even know what you're talking about?

The business park in Rancho is attracting all sorts of businesses. The professional company for which I used to work was looking at buying a building there, which wasn't a bunch of low paying jobs. This is a business park with jobs all across the spectrum, six times better than fast food or retail.

The expansion of the airport also brings in a range of positions. I don't know the 2012 numbers for this, but in 2008 a general formula in the industry holds that every 1,000 tons of cargo an airport handles represents about 30 jobs, $1.85 million in annual wages, and $4.5 million in annual sales. I'll take it. These jobs range from cargo handlers to load masters to delivery to logistics to supply chain management to pilots and more.

What exactly would make you happy?

[4thgenFolsomite]

Low paying jobs? Do you even know what you're talking about?

What exactly would make you happy?

gosh, I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just saying we need to think about how it will affect Folsom to have increased air traffic. I have no problem with a business park expansion. I think that's a great idea, no matter where it is. I thought this was about an expansion of the activity at the airfield. Am I incorrect? An increase in air cargo deliveries likely means more people to load and unload planes and trucks. What am I missing here?

[cw68]

This is all about the future. My family was actually here decades before the air force base was established. So we didn't move here, by the way. Not everyone is a newby.

again, it is how much they intend to grow their business coming in. Likely its the number of flights. Four or flights over the house a day, heck, even one an hour wouldn't bother me. But what if its every 15 minutes? And on different flight paths that come in low over the houses?

You can move into a house next to a farm with 10 chicken houses, let's say. But what if a corporation takes over the farm and puts in 1,000 chicken houses with a 24-hour operating schedule and trucks going in at all hours of the day? That is expansion. And I think that is what our local government leaders are pro-actively trying to protect us against, unbridled expansion at our expense.

I understand your position but it's unrealistic. When you have five people to feed ten chicken can do the job. You bring 100 more people, you're going to need to have more chickens.

Our property values depend upon many things, employment is one of those and it's a BIG one. Folsom isn't an island. We need the region and neighboring communities to improve too. Take a big employment and revenue base out of a city and see what happens. Oh wait, we did when the military all but moved out of Sacramento. Rebuilding that employment base is a positive and, unfortunately, change is part of it.

gosh, I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just saying we need to think about how it will affect Folsom to have increased air traffic. I have no problem with a business park expansion. I think that's a great idea, no matter where it is. I thought this was about an expansion of the activity at the airfield. Am I incorrect? An increase in air cargo deliveries likely means more people to load and unload planes and trucks. What am I missing here?

The jobs that go with it and the business and businesses built because of it. There are more jobs than loading and unloading cargo involved.

[4thgenFolsomite]

I still think we have the right to look out for our quality of life. and that I have the right to my opinion.

[Dude]

I'm also concerned about the quality of education, those teachers need to be heard in the classroom.

Based on 2009 aircraft operations data for Mather Airport, approximately 77 percent of the daytime operations occurred between 7:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. (when school is in) and 23 percent occurred between 4:00 p.m. and 7:00 p.m.

[cw68]

I still think we have the right to look out for our quality of life. and that I have the right to my opinion.

Most definitely.

[folsom500]

I'm also concerned about the quality of education, those teachers need to be heard in the classroom.

Based on 2009 aircraft operations data for Mather Airport, approximately 77 percent of the daytime operations occurred between 7:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. (when school is in) and 23 percent occurred between 4:00 p.m. and 7:00 p.m.

Since you read that in the original link you posted as the OP- I would have thought that you had read the entire section - There is little change predicted from current to future inside school noise levels at the two sites reviewed. http://www.dera.sacc...20725132801.pdf

I wonder what areas of Folsom are current 'plagued' by excessive air traffic noise from planes in or out of Mather. I would presume that SO50 development might have a higher noise factor in the future but that would be a new construction area and surely the builders will be responsible people and add noise abatement enhancements to the properties.

I am in Natoma Station and have NO ISSUES with overhead aircraft noise...

[folsom500]

again, it is how much they intend to grow their business coming in. Likely its the number of flights. Four or flights over the house a day, heck, even one an hour wouldn't bother me. But what if its every 15 minutes? And on different flight paths that come in low over the houses?

What area of Folsom do you live in that they are coming over your house ? All the ones I see are south of the current city limits that I can tell from my place in Natoma Station.

[Robert Giacometti]

Since you read that in the original link you posted as the OP- I would have thought that you had read the entire section - There is little change predicted from current to future inside school noise levels at the two sites reviewed. http://www.dera.sacc...20725132801.pdf

I wonder what areas of Folsom are current 'plagued' by excessive air traffic noise from planes in or out of Mather. I would presume that SO50 development might have a higher noise factor in the future but that would be a new construction area and surely the builders will be responsible people and add noise abatement enhancements to the properties.

I am in Natoma Station and have NO ISSUES with overhead aircraft noise...

My suspicions are that this issue is more about S50 than the rest of us N50. ( I heard great minds think alike). If indeed there were to be more flights over s50, the builders would have to disclose this issue, possibly making these homes less desirable to potential buyers.

It seems the fairest way to approach this would be to establish the flight pattern, S50 and everyone buying over there be notified in advance of what to expect.

I'd sure like to know what are the details of this plan? If the Airport was going to increase the number of flights from say 20 to 1000 per day, then I think we should be concerend. If it was going to go from 20 to 40 flights per day, its not going to bother me at all.

If the Airport was going to build additional runways and start taking off over Folsom, then that too would trouble me.

Its more bothersome to me when the Police helicopter flys over the house and circles at all hours ( FYI, those are heirloom tomato plants) than any plane landing at Mather!

Logically it make sense to have the freight arrive at one airport and passengars at another, so the County can manage these in the most efficient manner possible.

[4thgenFolsomite]

now if they added some commuter commercial flights I could fly on rather than drive all the way to Sac Metro, I would be very happy with that. I love it when my friends with small planes come in and pick me up there!

[Sandman]

I am directly in Mather flight path and the biggest issue for me is the early morning ~4:30 flights that come in. I had heard somewhere that 5AM is the earliest flights are suppose to be coming in but they are obviously violating that policy. Anything before 6AM is a problem in my opinion.