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[supermom]

stupid governmnent controllists. Wa wa wa-- omg somebody parked on the street. you got a driveway use it. the public streets are for everybody, thats why its called public. Those residents deserve their cars to be broke into or keyed if they are gonna be snobs about parking on a public street. 

[Judge Smails]

Unarmed security guards. That is bad news for Starsky if he wants to get back stage and rub shoulders with a Quiet Riot tribute band. The city needs to issue parking permits for the surrounding neighborhoods which will force visitors to use the garage. It works in Los Gatos.

[4thgenFolsomite]

people who live in the HD aren't snobs.  they aren't complaining about parking either, or else they would be angry about the antique street fairs and the christmas tree lighting and all the other awesome events down there.  they are only complaining about the effects from drinking from the big events (mostly Folsom Live) and the bars that have late night music that appeals to a big drinking crowd.  The bad behavior that results from excessive drinking from these activities spill over into the residential area in a way they NEVER have before.  I guarantee you that this didn't happen 100 years ago or 50 years ago or 25 years ago.  The residents are upset about having drunks actually come in their house at 2 am, about having vomit and bowel movements on their porches, on finding used condoms next to their houses, of having drunks run down their little white picket fences and gates out in front, and about being threatened by drunks.  Every one of these things has happened and happens on a fairly regular basis.  I suspect any one of you would be upset about these things too.  and, for the record, I don't live in an area where this happens, but I have witnessed it and followed the struggles of these residents who moved in and work to make the houses down there as cute and well kept as they are.  I don't want to see them leave and others who don't care about that sort of behavior move in.  It would lead to the decline in Folsom's really important historic residential district.

[Steve Heard]

The city needs to issue parking permits for the surrounding neighborhoods which will force visitors to use the garage. It works in Los Gatos.

 

I think that eventually, that's what going to have to happen. 

 

people who live in the HD aren't snobs.  they aren't complaining about parking either, or else they would be angry about the antique street fairs and the christmas tree lighting and all the other awesome events down there.  they are only complaining about the effects from drinking from the big events (mostly Folsom Live) and the bars that have late night music that appeals to a big drinking crowd.  The bad behavior that results from excessive drinking from these activities spill over into the residential area in a way they NEVER have before.  I guarantee you that this didn't happen 100 years ago or 50 years ago or 25 years ago.  The residents are upset about having drunks actually come in their house at 2 am, about having vomit and bowel movements on their porches, on finding used condoms next to their houses, of having drunks run down their little white picket fences and gates out in front, and about being threatened by drunks.  Every one of these things has happened and happens on a fairly regular basis.  I suspect any one of you would be upset about these things too.  and, for the record, I don't live in an area where this happens, but I have witnessed it and followed the struggles of these residents who moved in and work to make the houses down there as cute and well kept as they are.  I don't want to see them leave and others who don't care about that sort of behavior move in.  It would lead to the decline in Folsom's really important historic residential district.

 

Actually, Councilman Miklos' said that this problem has been going on for at least as long as he's been on the City Council, which is 20 years, and as an Ambassador for the Chamber of Commerce, I've heard the complaints of residents who are opposed to the big events, too, such as Folsom Live and the Cattle Drive. 

 

I feel for them when it comes to the crap (literally) they have to deal with, but living in an area frequented by shoppers, partiers and tourists, you have to expect some noise and inconvenience.

 

The body excretions, well, that's different. 

[4thgenFolsomite]

 

I think that eventually, that's what going to have to happen. 

 

 

Actually, Councilman Miklos' said that this problem has been going on for at least as long as he's been on the City Council, which is 20 years, and as an Ambassador for the Chamber of Commerce, I've heard the complaints of residents who are opposed to the big events, too, such as Folsom Live and the Cattle Drive. 

 

I feel for them when it comes to the crap (literally) they have to deal with, but living in an area frequented by shoppers, partiers and tourists, you have to expect some noise and inconvenience.

 

The body excretions, well, that's different. 

yes, I said 25 years ago it wasn't an issue.  I think the big changes have happened in the last 20 years.  And I mentioned about Folsom Live too.  I haven't heard any complaints about the cattle drive. 

[FolsomEJ]

I thought this was all fear and in their minds...? 

 

(I'm glad to see some minds turning.)

[SCA]

Currently the city does not allow permit parking. If they put up signs restricting parking, for example if they limit parking to two hours, it would apply to residents and non-residents alike.

[4thgenFolsomite]

in downtown Sacramento, residents are issued two street parking permits they keep on their dashboards.  no one else can park more than two hours without getting a ticket

[Steve Heard]

I thought this was all fear and in their minds...? 

 

(I'm glad to see some minds turning.)

 

I think you misunderstood my position. I never said that it was in their minds, nor have I changed my mind.

 

I do believe it is based on fear, and perhaps rightly so. They are afraid of the people who park, make noise at all hours, and relieve themselves in front of their homes. If I were a resident of that neighborhood, I wouldn't like it either. 

 

What I disagree with is the movement or opinion that the bars should be shut down, or that no more should be allowed to open, or that the City Council should be shamed for bringing in tourists. 

 

All of those opinions have been expressed by residents.

[tony]

Currently the city does not allow permit parking. If they put up signs restricting parking, for example if they limit parking to two hours, it would apply to residents and non-residents alike.

That is correct. They would have to pass an ordinance to institute permit parking. But that's what every other city with similar problems does to protect residential neighborhoods impacted by adjacent concentrations of commerce and/or entertainment. I thought there was general agreement from the meetings in December that the city would consider limited permit parking in the district (e.g., permits required 11pm-5am). But it needs to come with a commitment to enforce.

 

While I generally agree with Supermom's take on on-street parking -- that it's public parking that anyone can use -- as 4thGen stated so well, this isn't about parking, this is about the bad behavior that comes with the parking, and resultant late night disruption of peace in the neighborhood. BTW, while I live in the HD, our house is not directly affected by the noise, bad behavior (except for the noisy drunks walking down the street at 2:30 am on their way home), etc. associated with bar patrons parking in the neighborhood, but I completely empathize with those that are. 

[4thgenFolsomite]

 

I think you misunderstood my position. I never said that it was in their minds, nor have I changed my mind.

 

I do believe it is based on fear, and perhaps rightly so. They are afraid of the people who park, make noise at all hours, and relieve themselves in front of their homes. If I were a resident of that neighborhood, I wouldn't like it either. 

 

What I disagree with is the movement or opinion that the bars should be shut down, or that no more should be allowed to open, or that the City Council should be shamed for bringing in tourists. 

 

All of those opinions have been expressed by residents.

 

The residents I hear effected by the behavior aren't afraid.  They are disgusted and tired of picking up human waste. 

 

As for the bars, I think we have way more than enough right now, so I would absolutely NOT want to see any more than we currently have.  And I wouldn't call the people coming to the bars tourists.  We have many reasons for people to come and visit Folsom, like historic sites, beautiful bike trails and parks, a great little street to shop on, etc., but drinking in bars shouldn't be one of those that city council promotes.  and, honestly, I don't think they are. 

[Steve Heard]

 

The residents I hear effected by the behavior aren't afraid.  They are disgusted and tired of picking up human waste. 

 

As for the bars, I think we have way more than enough right now, so I would absolutely NOT want to see any more than we currently have.  And I wouldn't call the people coming to the bars tourists.  We have many reasons for people to come and visit Folsom, like historic sites, beautiful bike trails and parks, a great little street to shop on, etc., but drinking in bars shouldn't be one of those that city council promotes.  and, honestly, I don't think they are. 

 

I'm certain they are disgusted, but yes there's the element of fear, particularly when they speak of outsiders coming into town. They've actually told me they were afraid. One even asked, 'what are they waiting for, someone to get shot?'' 

 

As for the City Council, they aren't promoting drinking, that was the opinion of one of the residents who was complaining that the bars were attracting them. 

 

While I don't know if there are a lot of people coming here seeking booze, many people do legally consume alcohol when on vacation. 

 

In any case, I think the City Council is doing their best. They can't force the bars to close or to close earlier, so they limit the hours of entertainment. 

 

I believe there will be signage advising people to park in the garage, but no parking restriction as of yet. 

[supermom]

people who live in the HD aren't snobs.  they aren't complaining about parking either, or else they would be angry about the antique street fairs and the christmas tree lighting and all the other awesome events down there.  they are only complaining about the effects from drinking from the big events (mostly Folsom Live) and the bars that have late night music that appeals to a big drinking crowd.  The bad behavior that results from excessive drinking from these activities spill over into the residential area in a way they NEVER have before.  I guarantee you that this didn't happen 100 years ago or 50 years ago or 25 years ago.  The residents are upset about having drunks actually come in their house at 2 am, about having vomit and bowel movements on their porches, on finding used condoms next to their houses, of having drunks run down their little white picket fences and gates out in front, and about being threatened by drunks.  Every one of these things has happened and happens on a fairly regular basis.  I suspect any one of you would be upset about these things too.  and, for the record, I don't live in an area where this happens, but I have witnessed it and followed the struggles of these residents who moved in and work to make the houses down there as cute and well kept as they are.  I don't want to see them leave and others who don't care about that sort of behavior move in.  It would lead to the decline in Folsom's really important historic residential district.

They will get drunk and misbehave as never before.. with or without the music playing anywhere from 11pm or midnight.  If they really want to get rid of the bad crown then open the public transportation up so that more people will come. Keep the bars hopping. The bad behavior will find somewhere else to go rather than those who will tolerate it because it is the only business coming in.

[caligirlz]

The residents are upset about having drunks actually come in their house at 2 am, about having vomit and bowel movements on their porches, on finding used condoms next to their houses, of having drunks run down their little white picket fences and gates out in front, and about being threatened by drunks.  Every one of these things has happened and happens on a fairly regular basis.  I suspect any one of you would be upset about these things too.  and, for the record, I don't live in an area where this happens, but I have witnessed it and followed the struggles of these residents who moved in and work to make the houses down there as cute and well kept as they are.  I don't want to see them leave and others who don't care about that sort of behavior move in.  It would lead to the decline in Folsom's really important historic residential district.

I agree, I would be disgusted and consider moving, if I could.

While I don't know if there are a lot of people coming here seeking booze, many people do legally consume alcohol when on vacation. .

I think it's well known in the community, and down into Sacramento, which nights are best for drinking in old town Folsom depending on the age group. I've heard coworkers talk about coming here specifically to drink. It's one of the destinations on their ever revolving list.

[Steve Heard]

I think it's well known in the community, and down into Sacramento, which nights are best for drinking in old town Folsom depending on the age group. I've heard coworkers talk about coming here specifically to drink. It's one of the destinations on their ever revolving list.

I'm not arguing the fact that there are well-known fun bars in Folsom, I was speaking more about tourism.