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#16 The Average Joe

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Posted 20 April 2016 - 11:46 AM

Citing science from 50 years ago is hilarious.  In case you haven't noticed, science makes advances and gets better at what it's doing every day.

 

Using your approach, we should indict the entire Catholic Church because they claimed the earth was the center of the universe 400 years ago.  Quick...arrest that lying pope.

 

Which is EXACTLY what this witch hunt is doing!  It's not "my" approach. LMAO.  It's exactly what the warmists are doing. I am merely using hyperbole to point out their ridiculousness and hypocrisy.

 

If you are too blind to see that three different scientists getting the same result over a span of 100 years is relevant, I don't know what else to tell you.  The IPCC ASSUMES a 0% humidity in their models because humidity is impossible to model at this time. They ADMIT that. They ignore the REAL SCIENCE that shows the interplay between C02, water vapor and cloud cover has a significant effect on climate change.  I used to think you had a basis in science and logic, but your dismissal of relevant information is telling in your zeal to go after "evil carbon." Or maybe your reading comprehension just needs work.

Whatever. I will continue to try to offer enlightenment to those that care to listen.


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If the only way to combat "global warming" was to lower taxes, we would never hear of the issue again. - Anonymous

 

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Posted 20 April 2016 - 06:50 PM


 

Citing science from 50 years ago is hilarious.  In case you haven't noticed, science makes advances and gets better at what it's doing every day.

 

Using your approach, we should indict the entire Catholic Church because they claimed the earth was the center of the universe 400 years ago.  Quick...arrest that lying pope.

 

Are you not the one who keeps citing the Keeling curve from since 1958....?   Hypocrite that you are....


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 12:31 AM

It's actually starting to approach the absurd in here.  The "deniers" keep challenging the scientists, Al Gore, the calculations, the predictions, etc, etc.  What the "deniers" are failing to acknowledge is the ever increasing incidence of empirical data that clearly demonstrates the climate changes and warming.  To clarify, empirical data are phenomena that you can actually see and observe.  They AREN'T projections, calculations, predictions, or prognostications.

 

I would love to hear the "deniers" explanations for these real world phenomena (aka empirical data):

 

-  Glaciers are receding all over the planet.  In 1910, Glacier Nat'l Park had 254 glaciers.  Today, there are about 30 glaciers.  Where did they go and why?

-  Fifty-three cities along the east coast of the USA are now experiencing 2-4 incidents of tidal flooding every month, and it's not associated with weather.  It seems to be rising sea levels.  Why?

-  Why has Greenland lost 9000 giga-tons of ice over the past 100 years?   Why did it melt?

-  Animal migration patterns are changing all over the planet.  Why?

-  The vast majority of temperature records set every year are all at the high end of the scale.  Why?

 

Just wondering if the "deniers" can offer rational explanations for the above that do NOT include any mention of a warming planet.  Love to hear them.



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Posted 21 April 2016 - 05:48 PM

Ok, once again......   You seem to have blinders on or only read what you post and ignore others............?   Head in the proverbial " warmist sand" I'd say.  You believe, and nothing else matters...........   As Metallica once said...........   But in your case, so wrong...    Chris

 

 

NASA – Odyssey Studies Changing Weather And Climate On Mars –  Mars may be going through a period of climate change, new findings from NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter suggest...........

The Telegraph: The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame- The team studied sunspot data going back several hundred years. They found that a dearth of sunspots signalled a cold period - which could last up to 50 years - but that over the past century their numbers had increased as the Earth's climate grew steadily warmer.

Alarmists Got it Wrong, Humans Not Responsible for Climate Change: CERN.  09/01/11. CERN, which created and operates the Large Hadron Collider, has now built a stainless steel chamber that precisely recreates the Earth's atmosphere.  In this chamber, 63 CERN scientists from 17 European and American institutes demonstrated that cosmic rays promote the formation of molecules which grow in Earth's atmosphere and seed clouds, making it cloudier and cooler.  Because the sun's magnetic field controls how many cosmic rays reach Earth's atmosphere (the stronger the sun's magnetic field, the more it shields Earth from incoming cosmic rays from space), the sun determines the temperature on Earth

NASA – Martian Ice Shrinking Dramatically – “September 20, 2005 – New gullies that did not exist in mid-2002 have appeared on a Martian sand dune. That’s just one of the surprising discoveries that have..

American Association for the Advancement of Science- Scientists Said Sun Caused Global Warming – 1998- Climate changes such as global warming may be due to changes in the sun rather than to the release of greenhouse gases on Earth. Climatologists and astronomers speaking at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Philadelphia say the present warming may be unusual – but a mini ice age could soon follow.

Nat Geo – Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming – “February 28, 2007 – Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet’s recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause..

Space.com: Tiny Solar Activity Changes Affect Earth's Climate: January 16, 2013, Even small changes in solar activity can impact Earth's climate in significant and surprisingly complex ways, researchers say.
The sun is a constant star when compared with many others in the galaxy. Some stars pulsate dramatically, varying wildly in size and brightness and even exploding. In comparison, the sun varies in the amount of light it emits by only 0.1 percent over the course of a relatively stable 11-year-long pattern known as the solar cycle.  Still, "the light reaching the top of the Earth's atmosphere provides about 2,500 times as much energy as the total of all other sources combined," solar physicist Greg Kopp at the University of Colorado told SPACE.com. As such, even 0.1 percent of the amount of light the sun emits exceeds all other energy sources the Earth's atmosphere sees combined, such as the radioactivity naturally emitted from Earth's core, Kopp explained.

Forbes: Sorry, But With Global Warming It's The Sun, Stupid: 2011, European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) in Geneva, Switzerland recently revealed an inverse correlation between periodic changes in sunspot activity levels, and quantities of cosmic rays entering Earth’s atmosphere that trigger surface-cooling cloud formations.

MIT – Pluto is Undergoing Global Warming –“October 9, 2002 – Pluto is undergoing global warming, as evidenced by a three-fold increase in the planet’s atmospheric pressure during the past 14 years, a team of astronomers from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).......

Study: Earth’s Orbit Causes Global Warming Today And Climate Change:  A new study out of Denmark found that fluctuations in the Earth’s orbit around the sun, called Milankovitch cycles, have been causing periods of dramatic, short-term global warming for at least 1.4 billion years. Fluctuations in Earth’s orbit are even behind the long-term warming of today’s climate, conclude researchers.

ABC – Pluto Thought to be Warming up –“July 26, 2006 – Astronomers at the University of Tasmania have found that the solar system’s smallest planet is not getting colder as first thought and.......

MIT – Researcher Finds Evidence of Global Warming on Neptune’s Largest Moon – “June 24, 1998 -We’re not the only ones experiencing global warming. A Massachusetts Institute of Technology researcher has reported that observations obtained by NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope and ground-based instruments reveal that Neptune’s largest moon, Triton, seems to have heated up significantly since the Voyager space probe visited it in 1989....

NASA-Global Warming Detected on Triton Neptune’s Largest Moon- ” June 28, 1998 – There may not be much industrial pollution on Neptune’s largest moon, but things are hotting up nonetheless. The Earth is not alone in suffering global warming. According to observations made by NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope and.........

Nature.com – Prediction of a Global Climate Change on Jupiter- “March 9, 2004 – Jupiter’s atmosphere, as observed in the 1979 Voyager space craft images, is characterized by 12 zonal jet streams and about 80 vortices, the largest of which are the Great Red Spot and......

Space.com_New Storm on Jupiter Hints at Climate Change – “May 4, 2006 – A storm is brewing half a billion miles away and in a rare event, astronomers get to watch it closely..........

NASA Study Acknowledges Solar Cycle, Not Man, Responsible for Past Warming - Now, a new research report from a surprising source may help to lay this skepticism to rest.  A study from NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland looking at climate data over the past century has concluded that solar variation has made a significant impact on the Earth's climate.  The report concludes that evidence for climate changes based on solar radiation can be traced back as far as the Industrial Revolution.

Friends of Science: The Sun Causes Climate Change-The graph shows that changes in solar activity are the primary cause of climate change. Note the low solar activity periods occurring during the Maunder Minimum (1645–1715, the Little Ice Age) and during the Dalton Minimum (1795–1825).


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 08:15 PM

Definitely absurd. No one here is claiming that climate is not changing.  NOT ONE of your questions has any bearing on the AGW debate because THERE IS NO WAY TO QUANTIFY THE EFFECT OF MAN FROM NATURAL OCCURRING CHANGE. When you, or your 'scientists" are able to quantify all the naturally occurring forcings on climate change, then MAYBE your theory will at least have a basis to try to sort out what effect (if any) man has on the climate. Until then, it is a bunch of noise and nonsense.

 

Glaciers have been receding for thousands of years. Ever been to Yosemite?

 

Animal migrations have changed since animal life began.

 

The sea level "seems" to be rising... or is it the .3mm a year that is "added on" the the actual measurements. You know, one of those "adjustments"  to raw data to get a predisposed outcome. But hey, that's only a 10-20% swing up from raw data...nothing to see here... Sea level rises, sea level falls. It was recently (geologically) hundreds of feet lower. Bering Sea land bridge. Heard of it? How about the FACT that the British Isles were once connected to the mainland by land. You warmists have no sense of history.  Sea level has risen hundreds of feet without any input from man, and will continue to do so regardless of any carbon credits you are foolish enough to purchase.

 

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Now you can try to answer these PERTINENT questions.

 

Since temperatures have varied widely throughout history (both long and short term) what is the "ideal" temperature for Earth? And why?

 

Same question for seal level?

 

What caused the rapid change in temperatures in recent history pre-industrialization?  Please be specific when discussing causes of the Little Ice Age and the Medieval Warming Period.

 

What measurable effect do the following have, and what is their quantifiable contribution to changing climate?

 

Solar radiation, magnetic fields (both terrestrial and solar), cosmic radiation, volcanism, cloud cover, cloud formation forcings, water vapor, CO2, methane, forestation and deforestation, Milankovich cycles, PDO, MDO, ENSO (ocean currents), worldwide albedo, city heat islands, fresh water diversion, deep ocean geothermal and a few more I can't think of off the top of my head.

 

Now explain how the various carbon sinks worldwide work, and define their range of adaptability. Show your work!

 

Oh, remember, all of these variables are not static, so explain how you arrive at a constant value for each factor in a dynamic system with constantly changing, interdependent forcings.

 

When you can do all that, then we can have a scientific discussion about what effect man has. Until then, it's just a bunch of noise preying on people's fears and emotions.


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If the only way to combat "global warming" was to lower taxes, we would never hear of the issue again. - Anonymous

 

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one" — Thomas Paine, 𝘊𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘰𝘯 𝘚𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦 (1776)

 


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Posted 22 April 2016 - 12:26 AM

You say, "Glaciers have been receding for thousands of years."   But for some reason the glaciers in Glacier Nat'l Park will disappear in about 140 years.  So please explain it without referring to rapid (translate as man-made) warming.  I would love to hear a rational reason.

 

Your reference to Yosemite illustrates the same situation.  Glaciers have persisted in Yosemite for the last 15,000 years and were substantial as recently as 1872 when Muir described the Lyell Glacier as over a mile wide.  Yet for some reason, that glacier is expected to disappear by 2025.

 

So, for glaciers that have been slowly receding over the past 15,000 years, the recession rate has suddenly increased over the past 125 years to the point where they are disappearing.  Again,  what is the reason if not rapid warming?

 

Oh,  and you didn't addressed the rapid loss of ice in Greenland over the last 100 years.  Got any ideas on that one?



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Posted 22 April 2016 - 06:36 PM

Well, here you go once again.......   But like always you will not respond and put out three paragraphs how the sky is falling, floods, rising sea levels, we should all be afraid, etc....   etc........    True maybe, but not man's fault.    Wake up please...........

 

 

NASA – Odyssey Studies Changing Weather And Climate On Mars –  Mars may be going through a period of climate change, new findings from NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter suggest...........

The Telegraph: The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame- The team studied sunspot data going back several hundred years. They found that a dearth of sunspots signalled a cold period - which could last up to 50 years - but that over the past century their numbers had increased as the Earth's climate grew steadily warmer.

Alarmists Got it Wrong, Humans Not Responsible for Climate Change: CERN.  09/01/11. CERN, which created and operates the Large Hadron Collider, has now built a stainless steel chamber that precisely recreates the Earth's atmosphere.  In this chamber, 63 CERN scientists from 17 European and American institutes demonstrated that cosmic rays promote the formation of molecules which grow in Earth's atmosphere and seed clouds, making it cloudier and cooler.  Because the sun's magnetic field controls how many cosmic rays reach Earth's atmosphere (the stronger the sun's magnetic field, the more it shields Earth from incoming cosmic rays from space), the sun determines the temperature on Earth

NASA – Martian Ice Shrinking Dramatically – “September 20, 2005 – New gullies that did not exist in mid-2002 have appeared on a Martian sand dune. That’s just one of the surprising discoveries that have..

American Association for the Advancement of Science- Scientists Said Sun Caused Global Warming – 1998- Climate changes such as global warming may be due to changes in the sun rather than to the release of greenhouse gases on Earth. Climatologists and astronomers speaking at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Philadelphia say the present warming may be unusual – but a mini ice age could soon follow.

Nat Geo – Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming – “February 28, 2007 – Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet’s recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause..

Space.com: Tiny Solar Activity Changes Affect Earth's Climate: January 16, 2013, Even small changes in solar activity can impact Earth's climate in significant and surprisingly complex ways, researchers say.
The sun is a constant star when compared with many others in the galaxy. Some stars pulsate dramatically, varying wildly in size and brightness and even exploding. In comparison, the sun varies in the amount of light it emits by only 0.1 percent over the course of a relatively stable 11-year-long pattern known as the solar cycle.  Still, "the light reaching the top of the Earth's atmosphere provides about 2,500 times as much energy as the total of all other sources combined," solar physicist Greg Kopp at the University of Colorado told SPACE.com. As such, even 0.1 percent of the amount of light the sun emits exceeds all other energy sources the Earth's atmosphere sees combined, such as the radioactivity naturally emitted from Earth's core, Kopp explained.

Forbes: Sorry, But With Global Warming It's The Sun, Stupid: 2011, European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) in Geneva, Switzerland recently revealed an inverse correlation between periodic changes in sunspot activity levels, and quantities of cosmic rays entering Earth’s atmosphere that trigger surface-cooling cloud formations.

MIT – Pluto is Undergoing Global Warming –“October 9, 2002 – Pluto is undergoing global warming, as evidenced by a three-fold increase in the planet’s atmospheric pressure during the past 14 years, a team of astronomers from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).......

Study: Earth’s Orbit Causes Global Warming Today And Climate Change:  A new study out of Denmark found that fluctuations in the Earth’s orbit around the sun, called Milankovitch cycles, have been causing periods of dramatic, short-term global warming for at least 1.4 billion years. Fluctuations in Earth’s orbit are even behind the long-term warming of today’s climate, conclude researchers.

ABC – Pluto Thought to be Warming up –“July 26, 2006 – Astronomers at the University of Tasmania have found that the solar system’s smallest planet is not getting colder as first thought and.......

MIT – Researcher Finds Evidence of Global Warming on Neptune’s Largest Moon – “June 24, 1998 -We’re not the only ones experiencing global warming. A Massachusetts Institute of Technology researcher has reported that observations obtained by NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope and ground-based instruments reveal that Neptune’s largest moon, Triton, seems to have heated up significantly since the Voyager space probe visited it in 1989....

NASA-Global Warming Detected on Triton Neptune’s Largest Moon- ” June 28, 1998 – There may not be much industrial pollution on Neptune’s largest moon, but things are hotting up nonetheless. The Earth is not alone in suffering global warming. According to observations made by NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope and.........

Nature.com – Prediction of a Global Climate Change on Jupiter- “March 9, 2004 – Jupiter’s atmosphere, as observed in the 1979 Voyager space craft images, is characterized by 12 zonal jet streams and about 80 vortices, the largest of which are the Great Red Spot and......

Space.com_New Storm on Jupiter Hints at Climate Change – “May 4, 2006 – A storm is brewing half a billion miles away and in a rare event, astronomers get to watch it closely..........

NASA Study Acknowledges Solar Cycle, Not Man, Responsible for Past Warming - Now, a new research report from a surprising source may help to lay this skepticism to rest.  A study from NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland looking at climate data over the past century has concluded that solar variation has made a significant impact on the Earth's climate.  The report concludes that evidence for climate changes based on solar radiation can be traced back as far as the Industrial Revolution.

Friends of Science: The Sun Causes Climate Change-The graph shows that changes in solar activity are the primary cause of climate change. Note the low solar activity periods occurring during the Maunder Minimum (1645–1715, the Little Ice Age) and during the Dalton Minimum (1795–1825).


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Posted 22 April 2016 - 09:41 PM

And yet he still can't answer ONE of the questions that are absolutely necessary to create a baseline for climate. You can't quantify man's impact on change if you can't quantify natural forcings. Of course. No one can. that  is why the whole climate scare is ridiculous in the extreme.

 

Pretty simple stuff.


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If the only way to combat "global warming" was to lower taxes, we would never hear of the issue again. - Anonymous

 

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 08:01 PM

The empirical data makes your efforts to question the science irrelevant.  The empirical data is clear.  Warming is underway.  The vast majority of science thinks human activity is involved.  And the folks who don't think that can't offer another explanation.  At this point, the cause of global warming is starting to become irrelevant too.  The challenge facing societies is how to deal with it. 

 

As stated in another thread, Brazil is already suffering substantially from the effects of warming.  The country is undergoing rolling electric blackouts that will likely become permanent, and fresh water is being rationed in many parts of the country.  Both of these can be traced to warming that has made snowmelt from the Andes unreliable.  The snowmelt in the Amazon watershed is used to power most of the country and provides fresh water.  None of this is working like it used to and warming appears to be the reason.  But since Folsom isn't in Brazil, most here won't think it a problem.  Their advice to the Brazilians will be simple...Move!



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Posted 24 April 2016 - 11:47 AM

  The vast majority of science thinks human activity is involved.  And the folks who don't think that can't offer another explanation.

Do you just paste talking points from a generic warnist site or do you actually think first? Repeating something over and over does not make it true.

 

I have offered over a dozen NATURAL forcings that have some effect on climate. The empirical evidence IS in. Natural forcings have swung us from tropical to ice age and back numerous times...without the slightest input from man. It is up to the warmists to prove their theory  To do that, they must quantify the natural forcings...which they cannot.  That's why they focus on saying the debate is over. Their data does not support the claims.  There are plenty of scientists who do not support AGW. Frankly, I find their work and arguments far more persuasive. A lot less use of words like "may" and "could" in their abstracts.

So when they can't kill the argument before it starts, they then switch to the next meaningless buzz phrase. Rate of change.  The rate of change for climate has NEVER been linear. Ever.  In the last 1200 years alone, we have had a little ice age and a massive warming...without ANY input from man.  Now we once again have warming in the last 50 years.  Had you lived in the thirties, you would have blamed the dustbowl and the equivalent temperature spikes then on man I'm sure.

 

TO know man's contribution, you have to filter natural forcings. I have offered over a dozen known influences on climate. You have offered one theoretical one.   And I'm the denier? Lol!

 

Finally, here is some perspective to the claims of "unprecedented" (another bogus buzz word) this or that, and specifically the fame d hockey stick. Just compare each graph. #climateperspective

 

http://www.foresight...nanodot/?p=3553


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If the only way to combat "global warming" was to lower taxes, we would never hear of the issue again. - Anonymous

 

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one" — Thomas Paine, 𝘊𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘰𝘯 𝘚𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦 (1776)

 


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Posted 25 April 2016 - 07:20 PM

I looked at the link you posted and see a couple things that are interesting.  First, all the data from the last 700,000 years was taken from a single point on the planet.  If I told you I was going to determine the global climate situation by measuring the temperature in just my backyard, you'd call me crazy.  In fact, I'd call me crazy. 

 

But at this point, I think I've determined what's going on.  I don't believe you'll be concerned about all this until the results of GW actually land in your front yard.  If you lived in Annapolis, MD and your front yard was experiencing 6" of sea water 2-4 times a month (it's happening), I suspect you'd have a substantially different view of all this.  Your comment about "too bad for the Brazilians" shows an uncaring attitude for the problems that a large portion of the planet will have to face.  I believe it will eventually affect all of us somehow.  For us, most likely in the wallet.  Since it's extremely difficult to change attitudes from this perspective, I suspect further conversation will not be useful.   



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Posted 26 April 2016 - 06:56 PM

I looked at the link you posted and see a couple things that are interesting.  First, all the data from the last 700,000 years was taken from a single point on the planet.  If I told you I was going to determine the global climate situation by measuring the temperature in just my backyard, you'd call me crazy.  In fact, I'd call me crazy. 

 

But at this point, I think I've determined what's going on.  I don't believe you'll be concerned about all this until the results of GW actually land in your front yard.  If you lived in Annapolis, MD and your front yard was experiencing 6" of sea water 2-4 times a month (it's happening), I suspect you'd have a substantially different view of all this.  Your comment about "too bad for the Brazilians" shows an uncaring attitude for the problems that a large portion of the planet will have to face.  I believe it will eventually affect all of us somehow.  For us, most likely in the wallet.  Since it's extremely difficult to change attitudes from this perspective, I suspect further conversation will not be useful.   

All BS as usual.....   Nobody cares what you think or your tangents to the argument which are pointless and distract from the fact you have no scientific data to stand by in your AGW argument.   All BS.......  50 years of data, rate of change bull turds thrown out there to distract and con the non scientific trained.....   Derivatives, all in your own mind and with cherry picked numbers from a compressed time line to suit your forgone conclusion....  All 200 years at best of data.....  And thank you, I did a year of Calculus at SFSU and did very well, thanks.....!   One thing I have learned in life is that the guy who says he's the smartest guy in the room is usually not the smartest guy in the room.  He just thinks he is.......    And please more derivatives and rate of change calculations from you...!   So fascinating and captivates the audience for sure....!   So stimulating.......!   And of course we are all too dumb to understand your brilliance so please carry on and enlighten us with your funny math.......  Chris    

 

 

Top Ten Reasons Climate Change is a Hoax

 

1. Record Ice

In 2014 there was record sea ice in Antarctica  in fact a global warming expedition got stuck in it. Arctic sea ice has also made a nice comeback in 2014. The Great lakes had record ice Lake Superior only had 3 ice free months in 2014. You’d think that in the hottest year ever that ice would be melting like Al Gore said.

2. Record Snow

2014 saw record snowfall in many areas, remember when they said that global warming would cause snow to disappear and children won’t know what snow is.

3. Record Cold

In 2014 we saw all kinds of cold records remember the Polar Vortex? You’d think that we’d be breaking all kinds of heat records in “the hottest year ever”

4. Oceans Are Rising Much Less Than Predicted

Al Gore predicted that oceans would rise 20 feet by 2100, it looks like were on track for about a foot. 80% of the tide gauges show less rise than the official “global average”. Many tide gauges show no rise in sea level, and almost none show any acceleration over the past 20 years.

5. Polar Bears Are Thriving

You’d think that Polar Bears would really be in trouble in 2014 “the hottest year ever” but they are thriving.

6. Moose Are Making A Comeback

A few years ago the moose population in Minnesota dropped rapidly and they immediately blamed global warming, then they did a study and found out it was actually wolves that were killing the moose. Wolves have been taken off the endangered species list and are now endangering other species so they opened a wolf hunting season in Minnesota and the moose are coming back. It turns out it had nothing to do with global warming in fact the years when the moose population declined were some very cold ones.

7. 99% of Scientists don’t believe in Catastrophic Man-Made Global Warming

You’ve probably heard over and over that 99% of scientist believe in global warming well the opposite is true. That talking point came from a study where only 75 scientists said they believe in global warming on the other hand over 31,000 scientists have signed a petition saying they don’t believe in Catastrophic Man-Made Global Warming.

8. Nature produces much more CO2 than man

In 2014 NASA finally launched a satellite that measures CO2 levels around the globe. They assumed that most of the CO2 would be coming from the industrialized northern hemisphere but much to their surprise it was coming from the rainforests in South America, Africa and China.

9. It Isn’t Actually the Warmest Year.

If you look at the satellite data 2014 was not the warmest year ever in fact there has been no global warming for over 18 years. The Reason they can say it’s the warmest year is because they are using the ground weather station data which is heavily influenced by the Urban Heat Island effect, many of which are near pavement. Even still they had to cherry pick that data to get at the warmest year ever and it is only the warmest by only two-100ths of a degree within a dataset that has a variability of a half of a degree. The fact they they had to ignore accurate data and fudge sketchy data to push their agenda proves (IMHO) that climate change is a hoax.

10. The Hypocrisy of the Main Players

One of the main reasons you can tell that global warming is a hoax is that the main purveyors of global warming live lifestyles opposite of what they preach, they all own multiple large homes and yachts and they fly around the world in private jets pushing their propaganda. Not to mention some people such as Al Gore actually profit from Carbon Taxes and other green energy laws. If they actually believed what they preached they would be leading quite different lives.


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Posted 28 April 2016 - 06:37 PM

Hey GoG, and Ape man.........    Here's a hundred against........ Or maybe 99 or so............  Please retort maybe thirty of them, details and all, and I will pay attention.........   Otherwise, all hype and progressive global warmist BS,,,,,,,,,,,    Please show me wrong.........!   Chris

 

1) There is “no real scientific proof” that the current warming is caused by the rise of greenhouse gases from man’s activity.
2) Man-made carbon dioxide emissions throughout human history constitute less than 0.00022 percent of the total naturally emitted from the mantle of the earth during geological history.
3) Warmer periods of the Earth’s history came around 800 years before rises in CO2 levels.
4) After World War II, there was a huge surge in recorded CO2 emissions but global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940.
5) Throughout the Earth’s history, temperatures have often been warmer than now and CO2 levels have often been higher – more than ten times as high.
6) Significant changes in climate have continually occurred throughout geologic time.
7) The 0.7C increase in the average global temperature over the last hundred years is entirely consistent with well-established, long-term, natural climate trends.
8) The IPCC theory is driven by just 60 scientists and favourable reviewers not the 4,000 usually cited.
9) Leaked e-mails from British climate scientists – in a scandal known as “Climate-gate” - suggest that that has been manipulated to exaggerate global warming
10) A large body of scientific research suggests that the sun is responsible for the greater share of climate change during the past hundred years.
11) Politicians and activists claim rising sea levels are a direct cause of global warming but sea levels rates have been increasing steadily since the last ice age 10,000 ago
12) Philip Stott, Emeritus Professor of Bio geography at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London says climate change is too complicated to be caused by just one factor, whether CO2 or clouds
13) Peter Lilley MP said last month that “fewer people in Britain than in any other country believe in the importance of global warming. That is despite the fact that our Government and our political class—predominantly—are more committed to it than their counterparts in any other country in the world”.
14) In pursuit of the global warming rhetoric, wind farms will do very little to nothing to reduce CO2 emissions
15) Professor Plimer, Professor of Geology and Earth Sciences at the University of Adelaide, stated that the idea of taking a single trace gas in the atmosphere, accusing it and finding it guilty of total responsibility for climate change, is an “absurdity”
16) A Harvard University astrophysicist and geophysicist, Willie Soon, said he is “embarrassed and puzzled” by the shallow science in papers that support the proposition that the earth faces a climate crisis caused by global warming.
17) The science of what determines the earth’s temperature is in fact far from settled or understood.
18) Despite activist concerns over CO2 levels, CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas, unlike water vapour which is tied to climate concerns, and which we can’t even pretend to control
19) A petition by scientists trying to tell the world that the political and media portrayal of global warming is false was put forward in the Heidelberg Appeal in 1992. Today, more than 4,000 signatories, including 72 Nobel Prize winners, from 106 countries have signed it.
20) It is claimed the average global temperature increased at a dangerously fast rate in the 20th century but the recent rate of average global temperature rise has been between 1 and 2 degrees C per century - within natural rates
21) Professor Zbigniew Jaworowski, Chairman of the Scientific Council of the Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection in Warsaw, Poland says the earth’s temperature has more to do with cloud cover and water vapor than CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.
22) There is strong evidence from solar studies which suggests that the Earth’s current temperature stasis will be followed by climatic cooling over the next few decades
23) It is myth that receding glaciers are proof of global warming as glaciers have been receding and growing cyclically for many centuries
24) It is a falsehood that the earth’s poles are warming because that is natural variation and while the western Arctic may be getting somewhat warmer we also see that the Eastern Arctic and Greenland are getting colder
25) The IPCC claims climate driven “impacts on biodiversity are significant and of key relevance” but those claims are simply not supported by scientific research
26) The IPCC threat of climate change to the world’s species does not make sense as wild species are at least one million years old, which means they have all been through hundreds of climate cycles
27) Research goes strongly against claims that CO2-induced global warming would cause catastrophic disintegration of the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Sheets.
28) Despite activist concerns over CO2 levels, rising CO2 levels are our best hope of raising crop yields to feed an ever-growing population
29) The biggest climate change ever experienced on earth took place around 700 million years ago
30) The slight increase in temperature which has been observed since 1900 is entirely consistent with well-established, long-term natural climate cycles
31) Despite activist concerns over CO2 levels, rising CO2 levels of some so-called “greenhouse gases” may be contributing to higher oxygen levels and global cooling, not warming
32) Accurate satellite, balloon and mountain top observations made over the last three decades have not shown any significant change in the long term rate of increase in global temperatures
33) Today’s CO2 concentration of around 385 ppm is very low compared to most of the earth’s history – we actually live in a carbon-deficient atmosphere
34) It is a myth that CO2 is the most common greenhouse gas because greenhouse gases form about 3% of the atmosphere by volume, and CO2 constitutes about 0.037% of the atmosphere
35) It is a myth that computer models verify that CO2 increases will cause significant global warming because computer models can be made to “verify” anything
36) There is no scientific or statistical evidence whatsoever that global warming will cause more storms and other weather extremes
37) One statement deleted from a UN report in 1996 stated that “none of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse gases”
38) The world “warmed” by 0.07 +/- 0.07 degrees C from 1999 to 2008, not the 0.20 degrees C expected by the IPCC
39) The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says “it is likely that future tropical cyclones (typhoons and hurricanes) will become more intense” but there has been no increase in the intensity or frequency of tropical cyclones globally
40) Rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere can be shown not only to have a negligible effect on the Earth’s many ecosystems, but in some cases to be a positive help to many organisms
41) Researchers who compare and contrast climate change impact on civilizations found warm periods are beneficial to mankind and cold periods harmful
42) The Met Office asserts we are in the hottest decade since records began but this is precisely what the world should expect if the climate is cyclical
43) Rising CO2 levels increase plant growth and make plants more resistant to drought and pests
44) The historical increase in the air’s CO2 content has improved human nutrition by raising crop yields during the past 150 years
45) The increase of the air’s CO2 content has probably helped lengthen human lifespans since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution
46) The IPCC alleges that “climate change currently contributes to the global burden of disease and premature deaths” but the evidence shows that higher temperatures and rising CO2 levels has helped global populations
47) In May of 2004, the Russian Academy of Sciences published a report concluding that the Kyoto Protocol has no scientific grounding at all.
48) The “Climate-gate” scandal pointed to a expensive public campaign of disinformation and the denigration of scientists who opposed the belief that CO2 emissions were causing climate change
49) The head of Britain’s climate change watchdog has predicted households will need to spend up to £15,000 on a full energy efficiency makeover if the Government is to meet its ambitious targets for cutting carbon emissions.
50) Wind power is unlikely to be the answer to our energy needs. The wind power industry argues that there are “no direct subsidies” but it involves a total subsidy of as much as £60 per MWh which falls directly on electricity consumers. This burden will grow in line with attempts to achieve Wind power targets, according to a recent OFGEM report.
51) Wind farms are not an efficient way to produce energy. The British Wind Energy Association (BWEA) accepts a figure of 75 per cent back-up power is required.
52) Global temperatures are below the low end of IPCC predictions not at “at the top end of IPCC estimates”
53) Climate alarmists have raised the concern over acidification of the oceans but Tom Segalstad from Oslo University in Norway , and others, have noted that the composition of ocean water – including CO2, calcium, and water – can act as a buffering agent in the acidification of the oceans.
54) The UN’s IPCC computer models of human-caused global warming predict the emergence of a “hotspot” in the upper troposphere over the tropics.  Former researcher in the Australian Department of Climate Change, David Evans, said there is no evidence of such a hotspot
55) The argument that climate change is a of result of global warming caused by human activity is the argument of flat Earthers. 
56) The manner in which US President Barack Obama sidestepped Congress to order emission cuts shows how undemocratic and irrational the entire international decision-making process has become with regards to emission-target setting.
57) William Kininmonth, a former head of the National Climate Centre and a consultant to the World Meteorological Organisation, wrote “the likely extent of global temperature rise from a doubling of CO2 is less than 1C. Such warming is well within the envelope of variation experienced during the past 10,000 years and insignificant in the context of glacial cycles during the past million years, when Earth has been predominantly very cold and covered by extensive ice sheets.”
58) Canada has shown the world targets derived from the existing Kyoto commitments were always unrealistic and did not work for the country.
59) In the lead up to the Copenhagen summit, David Davis MP said of previous climate summits, at Rio de Janeiro in 1992 and Kyoto in 1997 that many had promised greater cuts, but “neither happened”, but we are continuing along the same lines.
60) The UK ’s environmental policy has a long-term price tag of about £55 billion, before taking into account the impact on its economic growth.
61) The UN’s panel on climate change warned that Himalayan glaciers could melt to a fifth of current levels by 2035. J. Graham Cogley a professor at Ontario Trent University, claims this inaccurate stating the UN authors got the date from an earlier report wrong by more than 300 years.
62) Under existing Kyoto obligations the EU has attempted to claim success, while actually increasing emissions by 13 per cent, according to Lord Lawson. In addition the EU has pursued this scheme by purchasing “offsets” from countries such as China paying them billions of dollars to destroy atmospheric pollutants, such as CFC-23, which were manufactured purely in order to be destroyed.
63) It is claimed that the average global temperature was relatively unchanging in pre-industrial times but sky-rocketed since 1900, and will increase by several degrees more over the next 100 years according to Penn State University researcher Michael Mann. There is no convincing empirical evidence that past climate was unchanging, nor that 20th century changes in average global temperature were unusual or unnatural.
64) Michael Mann of Penn State University has actually shown that the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age did in fact exist, which contrasts with his earlier work which produced the “hockey stick graph” which showed a constant temperature over the past thousand years or so followed by a recent dramatic upturn.65) The globe’s current approach to climate change in which major industrialised countries agree to nonsensical targets for their CO2 emissions by a given date, as it has been under the Kyoto system, is very expensive.
66) The “Climate-gate” scandal revealed that a scientific team had emailed one another about using a “trick” for the sake of concealing a “decline” in temperatures when looking at the history of the Earth’s temperature.
67) Global temperatures have not risen in any statistically-significant sense for 15 years and have actually been falling for nine years. The “Climate-gate” scandal revealed a scientific team had expressed dismay at the fact global warming was contrary to their predictions and admitted their inability to explain it was “a travesty”.
68) The IPCC predicts that a warmer planet will lead to more extreme weather, including drought, flooding, storms, snow, and wildfires. But over the last century, during which the IPCC claims the world experienced more rapid warming than any time in the past two millennia, the world did not experience significantly greater trends in any of these extreme weather events.
69) In explaining the average temperature standstill we are currently experiencing, the Met Office Hadley Centre ran a series of computer climate predictions and found in many of the computer runs there were decade-long standstills but none for 15 years – so it expects global warming to resume swiftly.
70) Richard Lindzen, Professor of Atmospheric Sciences at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, wrote: “The notion of a static, unchanging climate is foreign to the history of the Earth or any other planet with a fluid envelope.  Such hysteria (over global warming) simply represents the scientific illiteracy of much of the public, the susceptibility of the public to the substitution of repetition for truth.”
71) Despite the 1997 Kyoto Protocol’s status as the flagship of the fight against climate change it has been a failure.
72) The first phase of the EU’s Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS), which ran from 2005 to 2007 was a failure. Huge over-allocation of permits to pollute led to a collapse in the price of carbon from €33 to just €0.20 per tonne meaning the system did not reduce emissions at all.
73) The EU trading scheme, to manage carbon emissions has completely failed and actually allows European businesses to duck out of making their emissions reductions at home by offsetting, which means paying for cuts to be made overseas instead.
74) To date “cap and trade” carbon markets have done almost nothing to reduce emissions.
75) In the United States , the cap-and-trade is an approach designed to control carbon emissions and will impose huge costs upon American citizens via a carbon tax on all goods and services produced in the United States. The average family of four can expect to pay an additional $1700, or £1,043, more each year. It is predicted that the United States will lose more than 2 million jobs as the result of cap-and-trade schemes.
76) Dr Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, has indicated that out of the 21 climate models tracked by the IPCC the differences in warming exhibited by those models is mostly the result of different strengths of positive cloud feedback – and that increasing CO2 is insufficient to explain global-average warming in the last 50 to 100 years.
77) Why should politicians devote our scarce resources in a globally competitive world to a false and ill-defined problem, while ignoring the real problems the entire planet faces, such as: poverty, hunger, disease or terrorism.
78) A proper analysis of ice core records from the past 650,000 years demonstrates that temperature increases have come before, and not resulted from, increases in CO2 by hundreds of years.
79) Since the cause of global warming is mostly natural, then there is in actual fact very little we can do about it. (We are still not able to control the sun).
80) A substantial number of the panel of 2,500 climate scientists on the United Nation’s International Panel on Climate Change, which created a statement on scientific unanimity on climate change and man-made global warming, were found to have serious concerns.
81) The UK’s Met Office has been forced this year to re-examine 160 years of temperature data after admitting that public confidence in the science on man-made global warming has been shattered by revelations about the data.
82)  Politicians and activists push for renewable energy sources such as wind turbines under the rhetoric of climate change, but it is essentially about money – under the system of Renewable Obligations. Much of the money is paid for by consumers in electricity bills. It amounts to £1 billion a year.
83) The “Climate-gate” scandal revealed that a scientific team had tampered with their own data so as to conceal inconsistencies and errors. 
84) The “Climate-gate” scandal revealed that a scientific team had campaigned for the removal of a learned journal’s editor, solely because he did not share their willingness to debase science for political purposes.
85) Ice-core data clearly show that temperatures change centuries before concentrations of atmospheric CO2 change. Thus, there appears to be little evidence for insisting that changes in concentrations of CO2 are the cause of past temperature and climate change.
86) There are no experimentally verified processes explaining how CO2 concentrations can fall in a few centuries without falling temperatures – in fact it is changing temperatures which cause changes in CO2 concentrations, which is consistent with experiments that show CO2 is the atmospheric gas most readily absorbed by water.
87) The Government’s Renewable Energy Strategy contains a massive increase in electricity generation by wind power costing around £4 billion a year over the next twenty years. The benefits will be only £4 to £5 billion overall (not per annum). So costs will outnumber benefits by a range of between eleven and seventeen times.
88) Whilst CO2 levels have indeed changed for various reasons, human and otherwise, just as they have throughout history, the CO2 content of the atmosphere has increased since the beginning of the industrial revolution, and the growth rate has now been constant for the past 25 years.
89) It is a myth that CO2 is a pollutant, because nitrogen forms 80% of our atmosphere and human beings could not live in 100% nitrogen either: CO2 is no more a pollutant than nitrogen is and CO2 is essential to life.
90) Politicians and climate activists make claims to rising sea levels but certain members in the IPCC chose an area to measure in Hong Kong that is subsiding. They used the record reading of 2.3 mm per year rise of sea level.
91) The accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998.
92) If one factors in non-greenhouse influences such as El Nino events and large volcanic eruptions, lower atmosphere satellite-based temperature measurements show little, if any, global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2 has increased by 55 ppm (17 per cent).
93) US President Barack Obama pledged to cut emissions by 2050 to equal those of 1910 when there were 92 million Americans. In 2050, there will be 420 million Americans, so Obama’s promise means that emissions per head will be approximately what they were in 1875. It simply will not happen.
94) The European Union has already agreed to cut emissions by 20 percent to 2020, compared with 1990 levels, and is willing to increase the target to 30 percent. However, these are unachievable and the EU has already massively failed with its Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS), as EU emissions actually rose by 0.8 percent from 2005 to 2006 and are known to be well above the Kyoto goal.
95) Australia has stated it wants to slash greenhouse emissions by up to 25 percent below 2000 levels by 2020, but the pledges were so unpopular that the country’s Senate has voted against the carbon trading Bill, and the Opposition’s Party leader has now been ousted by a climate change sceptic.
96) Canada plans to reduce emissions by 20 percent compared with 2006 levels by 2020, representing approximately a 3 percent cut from 1990 levels but it simultaneously defends its Alberta tar sands emissions and its record as one of the world’s highest per-capita emissions setters.
97) India plans to reduce the ratio of emissions to production by 20-25 percent compared with 2005 levels by 2020, but all Government officials insist that since India has to grow for its development and poverty alleviation, it has to emit, because the economy is driven by carbon.
98) The Leipzig Declaration in 1996, was signed by 110 scientists who said: “We – along with many of our fellow citizens – are apprehensive about the climate treaty conference scheduled for Kyoto, Japan, in December 1997” and “based on all the evidence available to us, we cannot subscribe to the politically inspired world view that envisages climate catastrophes and calls for hasty actions.”
99) A US Oregon Petition Project stated “We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the IPCC’s claim that climate observations during the twentieth century are either unprecedented or provide evidence of an anthropogenic effect on climate.”

 

100, oh well, you figure it out..........................    Chris


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#29 The Average Joe

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 07:23 PM

Might want to add that the Earth is "greening" from the "excess" CO2.

 

From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide,

 

http://www.nasa.gov/...-greening-earth

 

But CO2 is evil! We have based entire industries upon that theory and spent billions demonizing CO2 so we can save the planet!?! That is what you call a quandary for the environmental movement...    Hahahaha.  Apocalypse! Doom! Dying planet!  Er, what?! As Emily Latella often said, "Never mind!"


"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive" -- C.S. Lewis

 

If the only way to combat "global warming" was to lower taxes, we would never hear of the issue again. - Anonymous

 

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one" — Thomas Paine, 𝘊𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘰𝘯 𝘚𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦 (1776)

 


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Posted 28 April 2016 - 07:37 PM

Might want to add that the Earth is "greening" from the "excess" CO2.

 

From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide,

 

http://www.nasa.gov/...-greening-earth

 

But CO2 is evil! We have based entire industries upon that theory and spent billions demonizing CO2 so we can save the planet!?! That is what you call a quandary for the environmental movement...    Hahahaha.  Apocalypse! Doom! Dying planet!  Er, what?! As Emily Latella often said, "Never mind!"

Yes, that too.   The science does not lie........   But yet they won't acknowledge, more greenery, more O2 production from more CO2 available to the forest all over the earth......    Not man made, but natural, Earth produced, Sun cycles, all natural, we don't factor in at all...........    Again and again, the same cycle, just that they don't see it because they are too short minded.  They have a political agenda that they fit to their selected science...........       Chris


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