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#16 folsom500

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 12:47 PM

QUOTE(tgianco @ Jun 6 2005, 01:16 PM)
Wideglide,
about letting our dog go on someone else's lawn. Now, there are times when she 'marks' too quickly for us to stop her, but, as a rule, we don't let our dog walk on people's lawns to begin with on our walks (bc of respect for personal property).


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Sounds like some here are a bit anal about walking their dogs- ( no pun intended) - lDogs Pee and dogs Poop- while walking - that is why we take them on a walk--- Right ?
( at least for us it is) ., we more often than we like have a neighbor come out to get their paper in the morning or later in the day- but they dont have any concerns , except one always drunk neighbor who likes to cuss out the dogs or throw beer cans at us, so we just avoid his place ( he is now selling his house _ YEA)
otherwise- if they poop we pick it up as most in the area have their own dogs....

Although we cant define where the dogs will go, would love to leave some calling cards on the one neighbors yard a few more times before they leave....

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 01:01 PM

QUOTE(folsom500 @ Jun 6 2005, 12:47 PM)
except one always drunk neighbor who likes to cuss out the dogs or throw beer cans at us, so we just avoid his place ( he is now selling his house _ YEA)
otherwise- if they poop we pick it up as most in the area have their own dogs....

Although we cant define where the dogs will go, would love to leave some calling cards on the one neighbors yard a few more times before they leave....

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And who would that be, hmmmm?
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 01:05 PM

QUOTE(brown @ Jun 6 2005, 02:01 PM)
And who would that be, hmmmm?

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Look for the Brown FOR SALE sign post down near us... other side of the street...
By the way- your lawn is somewhat protected as they cant get through it sometimes smile.gif plus it is raised up.....

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 01:06 PM

QUOTE(folsom500 @ Jun 6 2005, 01:05 PM)
Look for the Brown FOR SALE sign post down near us... other side of the street...
By the way- your lawn is somewhat protected as they cant get through it sometimes  smile.gif  plus it is raised up.....

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No worries...our lawn ain't much to begin with anyway!
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 01:22 PM

QUOTE(tgianco @ Jun 6 2005, 12:16 PM)
Wideglide,

I think you and I moved out of Briggs at the same time and over to Willow Springs. That's too bad about the trees and the dog. When you first started describing a young couple w/ a sheperd mix, it sounded like us, but we are especially vigilent (b/c of our own bad neighbor experience in Briggs) about letting our dog go on someone else's lawn. Now, there are times when she 'marks' too quickly for us to stop her, but, as a rule, we don't let our dog walk on people's lawns to begin with on our walks (bc of respect for personal property).

How are you finding the neighborhood otherwise? We actually saw a good amount of vandalism in Briggs due to the fact that the neighborhood is older w/ more teenagers.

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Don't get the wrong impression, the dog thing is not the underlining theme. I don't like it, but you know how it is...pets are pets and people are people. I was more upset about the trees. Since what's done is done, time to move on. I was venting a little, more importantly, seeing it was graduation weekend, I just wanted to know if anyone else had any damage, and I happened to be looking at a specific incident from two possible directions.

Everything's fine in the neighborhood, it's cool. I enjoy this house much better than my previous one. You'll always have the teenager thing everywhere you go, but you can definitely tell which parents are involved in their kids lives. It's when you start running into the "not my kids" or "my kids never" you have a pretty good idea how it's going to play out. At least you know what the ground rules are. Thanks for asking. It is what it is, so I guess I'm cool with it.

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 01:29 PM

QUOTE(benning @ Jun 6 2005, 11:53 AM)
As for dogs, the polite thing is to take your dog to a park or a trail to walk them but, hello, we live in neighborhoods and so let's be neighborly and take a chill pill about a dog peeing on your lawn once in a while.

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I say let's be neighborly and NOT let your dogs do their things on your neighbors lawns. Where I live it's not just once in a while, it's every day and several times a day. I think if you're going to walk your dog, start in your own yard, let them take care of business and then head on down the sidewalk.

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 01:44 PM

QUOTE(rlsliger @ Jun 6 2005, 02:29 PM)
I say let's be neighborly and NOT let your dogs do their things on your neighbors lawns. Where I live it's not just once in a while, it's every day and several times a day. I think if you're going to walk your dog, start in your own yard, let them take care of business and then head on down the sidewalk.

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All well and good thoughts- but the pups have their own minds- in our case - they are males so they go where they want and mark where they think they need to ...
It is their choice where they go - and I dont see any reason not to allow them....

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 02:18 PM

QUOTE(rlsliger @ Jun 6 2005, 01:29 PM)
I say let's be neighborly and NOT let your dogs do their things on your neighbors lawns. Where I live it's not just once in a while, it's every day and several times a day. I think if you're going to walk your dog, start in your own yard, let them take care of business and then head on down the sidewalk.

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I agree that that the MOST neighborly thing would be to have no dog pee on anyone's lawn (except owners, of course). I also think that it's neighborly to not let the leaves from your tree fall into your neighbor's lawn. I also think it's neighborly to not let the seeds from your weeds blow into your neighbor's lawn. Likewise, neighborly to not let your kid's balls go over the fence and land on your neighbor's prized roses.
You see what I'm getting at? Sh#t happens in neighborhoods (of course, you should always pick it up !). If it's constant and intentional, then talk to the neighbor about it. If it's unintentional, let it slide. I'm of the belief that most of the time it is the latter.

I think the closer the quarters (smaller the lots) the more important this stuff becomes.
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#24 tgianco

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 03:08 PM

QUOTE(folsom500 @ Jun 6 2005, 12:47 PM)
Sounds like some here are a bit anal about walking their dogs- ( no pun intended) - lDogs Pee and dogs Poop- while walking - that is why we take them on a walk--- Right ?
( at least for us it is) ., we more often than we like have a neighbor come out to get their paper in the morning or later in the day- but  they dont have any concerns , except one always drunk neighbor who likes to cuss out the dogs or throw beer cans at us, so we just avoid his place ( he is now selling his house _ YEA)
otherwise- if they poop we pick it up as most in the area have their own dogs....

Although we cant define where the dogs will go, would love to leave some calling cards on the one neighbors yard a few more times before they leave....

Cheers
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That's fair, but I take my dog on walks (every day and night) for exercise, not to relieve themselves on someone else's property. My dog usually goes #2 in a certain spot on a trail (that we pick up w/ bags we carry). As dog owners, though, we can't assume that others welcome our dogs going on their lawns. I realize that dogs (mine included) want to mark their spots, but you can't just let them go anywhere. It's part of training and part of responsible dog ownership.

I'm not claiming perfect dog ownership, but neither should anyone else. I do, however, my best to respect the property of others and not assume that they want my dog peeing or pooing on their property. It can't always be stopped, but I can at least make sure my dog understands (for the most part) the rules. Who's the Alpha in your family?
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 03:26 PM

QUOTE(tgianco @ Jun 6 2005, 04:08 PM)
That's fair, but I take my dog on walks (every day and night) for exercise, not to relieve themselves on someone else's property. My dog usually goes #2 in a certain spot on a trail (that we pick up w/ bags we carry). As dog owners, though, we can't assume that others welcome our dogs going on their lawns. I realize that dogs (mine included) want to mark their spots, but you can't just let them go anywhere. It's part of training and part of responsible dog ownership.

I'm not claiming perfect dog ownership, but neither should anyone else. I do, however, my best to respect the property of others and not assume that they want my dog peeing or pooing on their property. It can't always be stopped, but I can at least make sure my dog understands (for the most part) the rules. Who's the Alpha in your family?

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So what do you do Tony- when they wnat to pee- - just pull them along on the leash and not let them- or what about poop- are you one that forces them to poop on the sidewalk that I see every so often >>>>??? I doubt either are the case.
a dogs gotta do what a dogs gotta do and 1/100 neighbors may have an issue with it.. so you avoid their place ( I also avoid homes with kids that might play on the lawn, ) but I will not be limited on my walks as to where they pee or poop -- and that is NORMAL-

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 03:45 PM

All those who are soooo uptight about a little dog pee on their lawns: where do you think the birds/squirrels/cats/bunny rabbits pee??? Pee IS part of nature, and it's not going to hurt anybody. I find it highly dubious that it's even going to hurt the lawn: we've had a dog for years, peeing day in and day out in our back yard, yet our lawn is still verdant green.

If it were feasible to train a dog to always go in a particular spot and to refrain from peeing anywhere else, then I would do so. But, as intelligent as my dog is, I really doubt she could understand the difference between a public park or trail (okay to pee!) versus a neighbor's lawn (not okay!). As far as I know, dog's understanding of "private property rights" is somewhat limited. Teaching the dog only to "go" at home will not work: then you go on vacation and you have a very constipated dog!

As for the idea of holding the dog on such a tight leash that they are forced to pee on the sidewalk... I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd rather have dog pee absorbed into the grass and washed away by lawn sprinklers than sitting in the middle of the pedestrian thoroughfare where my kids and I are walking day in and day out (often barefoot).

On the poop issue: I don't think there's any dispute. All responsible dog owners carry a bag.



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Posted 06 June 2005 - 03:49 PM

QUOTE(folsom500 @ Jun 6 2005, 03:26 PM)
So what do you do Tony- when they wnat to pee- - just pull them along on the leash and not let them- or what about poop-  are you one that forces them to poop on the sidewalk that I see every so often >>>>??? I doubt either are the case.
a dogs gotta do what a dogs gotta do and 1/100 neighbors may have an issue with it.. so you avoid their place ( I also avoid homes with kids that might play on the lawn, ) but I will not be limited on my walks as to where they pee or poop -- and that is NORMAL-

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I;m not saying to be limited on your walks. There are times when my dog pops a squat for a quick mark. We have for the most part trained her to pee on certain parts of our walks. She goes #2 in a certain location, and, yes, we always have our bags handy.

My feeling is more if you let you dog run free on someone's lawn for the express purpose of relieving itself, then that is wrong. I agree that pee and poop happens, but you still can work w/ your dog on certain locations where it does not offend someone.

While you may feel it is being overly sensitive (quite frankly, a dog peeing on my lawn does not bug, but pooing and not picking it up does), the evidence on this thread alone says there are at least two posters that do not want it on their lawn (out of the 6-8 that have posted on this thread), so the 1/100 mark does not seem to reflect current sentiment. Just saying.
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 04:09 PM

QUOTE(tgianco @ Jun 6 2005, 04:49 PM)
I;m not saying to be limited on your walks. There are times when my dog pops a squat for a quick mark. We have for the most part trained her to pee on certain parts of our walks. She goes #2 in a certain location, and, yes, we always have our bags handy.

My feeling is more if you let you dog run free on someone's lawn for the express purpose of relieving itself, then that is wrong. I agree that pee and poop happens, but you still can work w/ your dog on certain locations where it does not offend someone.

While you may feel it is being overly sensitive (quite frankly, a dog peeing on my lawn does not bug, but pooing and not picking it up does), the evidence on this thread alone says there are at least two posters that do not want it on their lawn (out of the 6-8 that have posted on this thread), so the 1/100 mark does not seem to reflect current sentiment. Just saying.

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So you agree that our dogs take that quick marking-- so guess on the rest we should agree to disagree....
our dogs go where they need to go - yours dont..

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 04:39 PM

Let's agree to disagree. I just hope that whoever can leave out the old "intolerannce" or "uptight" remarks when it's not for them to decide who is or who isn't. I agree w/ some of what you say and disagree w/ others. I'm not labeling either of you as "disrespectful" or saying that you do not respect the property of others. Please show me the same respect and do not label me. Thank you.
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Posted 08 June 2005 - 01:37 PM

QUOTE(ngilbert @ Jun 6 2005, 12:36 PM)
Have you considered landmines?  whistle.gif

Yeah, I gotta agree that it's disrespectful. Don't get me wrong, I love dogs, but letting your dog pee on someone's lawn is *this close* to peeing on someone's lawn yourself. I don't buy the whole "it's natural and therefore beautiful" line. If a grizzly bear jumped out of the bushes and ate the dog, that would be natural too, but not desirable.

By the way, the *male* Great Dane next door definitely leaves yellow spots.

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