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[TM70]

I can see why you deleted all of your original posts. Unfortunately, your most recent diatribe is twice as bad as the original.

To be quite honest, all you've done is convince me that we have some very irrational people filling the ranks of teacher in this area.

You should read all of your contributions to this discussion again, and see if you really think they're an asset to your cause.

Seriously, finally someone came to help on this thread, that's all it is.

Come on...that Prada pump comment was pretty good...

[aubie84alum]

Easy! We're on the same side. Read this post with some sarcasm and it'll make more sense. Take a look at the docs on the district website and run some of those numbers. They added something. I don't know what, but it's something. Not sure if it's true, but it doesn't look official. Look at the dates on those numbers. Something weird is going on.

Sorry unit member TM70.

[aubie84alum]

Easy! We're on the same side. Read this post with some sarcasm and it'll make more sense. Take a look at the docs on the district website and run some of those numbers. They added something. I don't know what, but it's something. Not sure if it's true, but it doesn't look official. Look at the dates on those numbers. Something weird is going on.

Just makin' sure. I thought that was sarcasm, but with all the s@#& flying I wanted to be sure.

Hey, why does the other guy keep attacking with the, "Oh, your angry" stuff, which allows the impartial reader to believe we're the ones lacking credibility. It's like the guy who drove OJ around and yelled more loudly than anyone. If they'd reveal the stats and the truth, they wouldn't have to accuse us of inappropriate or irrational. I am very rational, measured and, moreover, correct.

Come up with some facts. Answer the questions. We're (TM70) waiting for a real answer, not spin or accusations. It's called a red herring. I'm not sure what they call that in court; then, I'm not the lawyer.

And the Prada thing WAS funny and still is. Thanks TM70.

[aubie84alum]

Labor negotiations can be an emotional process along with being very complicated, so I can understand your passion about this.

Its been said that some feel that the District isn't negotiating. IF indeed, the District calculated the estimated additional funding from the state, estimated projected costs for all areas and then added in projected increases for what they could afford to offer....In theory, I could understand their logic in doing what they are doing. You don't have to agree with everything, but it could be a possibility.

I can sympathise with you regarding trying follow and understand government budgets. If your organization struggles trying to uncover where the District may have "squirreled" away funds with transfer of allocations and appropriations, just imagine how frustrated the average citizen gets trying to do it on their own! At least you have an union that can use some leverage to getting your questions answered. When I ask questions about budgets, I generally get the "dear in the headlight looks" or they will get back to me. Although to be fair I should acknowledge the District has been more responsive than other agencies to my questions.

I think I can safely say most of the residents would like to see this resolved in a fair and equitable manner without affecting other programs.

Then why don't you tell them, in no uncertain terms, of course. Pray, be just as condescending. It will get you much farther. I wish the district would be just as candid with all of us. The tactics are quite amusing; however, it doesn't take much to confuse we lil' ol' teachas.

[Robert Giacometti]

Then why don't you tell them, in no uncertain terms, of course. Pray, be just as condescending. It will get you much farther. I wish the district would be just as candid with all of us. The tactics are quite amusing; however, it doesn't take much to confuse we lil' ol' teachas.

Condescending....I thought I was a little more sympathetic than the majority on here. Sometimes, I try to be a little nicer to those who are at least open minded to my cause...but maybe your approach is the way to go?

In any event, I'm still hoping that this issue gets resolved in a fair and equitable manner, with our childrens best interests as the top priority.

[tessieca]

At the board mtg. last Thur. several people brought up the $40,000 raise that Godwin recieved;

That is incorrect.

Maybe you'll just entertain us once again with that lovely condescending, yet patronizing, sigh as if we who disagree with you are just the waste you'd scrape off your Prada pump.

Ha, ha! That is funny actually. It shows how little you know about the people you are trying to discredit and disrespect. The most upscale shoes I have are from Mervyn's.

Since TM and now Aubie have attempted to turn this into a me against them forum, I will decline to respond to them again. They are both pretty angry. They have their minds made up about the horrible things being done to them by the dastardly district and fiendish board.

If any of you others want to hear real facts and get real information, you can feel free to ask.

[39 degrees]

That is incorrect.
Ha, ha! That is funny actually. It shows how little you know about the people you are trying to discredit and disrespect. The most upscale shoes I have are from Mervyn's.

Since TM and now Aubie have attempted to turn this into a me against them forum, I will decline to respond to them again. They are both pretty angry. They have their minds made up about the horrible things being done to them by the dastardly distriict and fiendish board.

If any of you others want to hear real facts and get real information, you can feel free to ask.

Honestly, I think the Prada thing was a joke, but I guess you could take it either way. Probably a bad joke at best?

Dastardly and fiendish? I don't think those things about the district or board. I will basically listen, although the teachers are getting a little "passionate", to both sides. That's what happens when people get personally threatened. This fight is not "personal" to you. It won't affect your pocketbook. If you are taking it personally, which I think you are, then I think you are right, you should stop responding to them. Better for both sides at this point.

[aubie84alum]

Condescending....I thought I was a little more sympathetic than the majority on here. Sometimes, I try to be a little nicer to those who are at least open minded to my cause...but maybe your approach is the way to go?

In any event, I'm still hoping that this issue gets resolved in a fair and equitable manner, with our childrens best interests as the top priority.

The children's best interests are my only concern regarding the issue of teaching and mentoring. This is my avocation. I have, personally, made the defining difference in many a folsom graduates life. That has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to be able to support my child in a comparable manner. Fortunately, my son is beyond my being able pay for his medical. I just pay for college and hope he stays well.

As for my collegues, some use a significant share of their pay just for medical, since the district has upped the employee share to 600 per mo. The way some of you throw those sums around like they are nothing is anathema to me.

This is not about my or my peers ability to teach or how much we care. Those are just the ploys of those who choose not to answer questions directly or try to discredit us as not caring. That brand of tactic is used by the Karl Rove types to misinform and mislead those who are seeking clarity and understanding.

Perhaps you are nicer. That does not mean that you have not attacked or belittled those you might have showered with feint praise on teacher appreciation days or at other politically adventageous moments.

[aubie84alum]

That is incorrect.
Ha, ha! That is funny actually. It shows how little you know about the people you are trying to discredit and disrespect. The most upscale shoes I have are from Mervyn's.

Since TM and now Aubie have attempted to turn this into a me against them forum, I will decline to respond to them again. They are both pretty angry. They have their minds made up about the horrible things being done to them by the dastardly distriict and fiendish board.

If any of you others want to hear real facts and get real information, you can feel free to ask.

Why is it that every time I or someone else asks you something, and he or she doesn't agree with you, you accuse him or her of being angry? Definately defensive and lacking a good sense of humor or is just me?

It was stated a couple times, about the 40k, at the meeting. I can substantiate that part. Are you saying that Godwin didn't get that amount? Is that what you're denying? My Bad, 39,999K? 40K for edline or 18K for edline...That would be Godwin's Bad

[tessieca]

Thanks 39degrees. I have felt personally attacked (oh maybe because people are using my name and making nasty comments to me directly. . .) and choose not to respond directly to the nastiness anymore.

Mr. Godwin has not received any raise since he came to the district.

But, I must correct my information about shoes -- my cycling friend reminded me that I've spent more money on running and biking shoes. Do those come in Prada??

[brocante]

How much does Mr. Goodwin make? How much do principals make? Do they pay for medical insurance?

[Robert Giacometti]

Perhaps you are nicer. That does not mean that you have not attacked or belittled those you might have showered with feint praise on teacher appreciation days or at other politically adventageous moments.

I'm confused...are you accusing me of being understanding of teachers wanting an explanation of why the full COLA given by the State is not being passed on to them, is for political reasons?

If you feel I attacked someone here regarding this issue, please point out where or when I did this. If you can't show where this happened maybe you could apologize?

[TM70]

I wanted to stay out of this a bit today, but I have to address this point made by the school board president.

Mr. Godwin has not received any raise since he came to the district.

This on the surface is true, but if you look beneath it you will see that this, like a lot of the other things that are on this board, is not totally accurate.

You see, technically, Mr. Godwin, I like to call him Pat, but I digress, has not received an increase personally since coming to FCUSD. The position of superintendent was vacated about 1.5 years ago(not sure exactly what his date of hire was, but I think you understand) and prior to his signing the contract the POSITION of superintendent was given a raise of 13% or $25,000 obviously in an attempt to attract a worthy candidate. The COLA for those years was nowhere near 13%. So, again, technically HE did not receive a raise because he was not an employee of the district yet, but the POSITION of superintendent did receive a raise of 13% or $25,000. The position of chief financial officer, held by Mrs. Debbie Bettencourt, a very intelligent lady, was also given a raise of 25% or $40,000. Again, the COLA for that year was nowhere near 25%

Do what you want with the numbers, just please, please, please, see what is going on here. It's the little misdirections and disinformation that is holding up the process. Hopefully the truth will come out and a deal reached soon.

I'm not even going to address the SBPrez attempt to not respond to this. I took my ball and went home a week ago after being attacked personally, but now I am stronger and I even have a cohort or two, so I think she will be back.

Calling me angry, just isn't going to work. Everyone gets riled up about something from time to time. Now is MY time...

ROBERT...I'll apologize for aubie here. I don't know her personally, but she was like me a week or two ago, wildly trying to smash all in her path. That's what happens when someone in town goes personal. I get it, but don't go anywhere. We need people like you who will see both sides. She'll settle down and we'll go to work...

Keep us honest Robert...

[aubie84alum]

Condescending....I thought I was a little more sympathetic than the majority on here. Sometimes, I try to be a little nicer to those who are at least open minded to my cause...but maybe your approach is the way to go?

In any event, I'm still hoping that this issue gets resolved in a fair and equitable manner, with our childrens best interests as the top priority.

I have gone back through your messages and reread them with a fresh brain. I sincerely apologize for my assertion that you messages were condescending. They are, indeed, filled with "if" and "then" for both sides of the argument. In this case, it was my interpretation.

I guess I was a little more angry than I thought. It is good to take a step back. I think is was the cynical voice in my head and the deer in the headlights thing, as if we and the average citizen's ability to understand numbers.

As TM pointed out, they say PG didn't get a raise, and HE didn't. The salary was raised before he accepted the position. It's been little white lies such as these that have been going on during the negotiating process that get to us all. Full disclosure? On the news the other night, the reporter said that the D.O. offered 5.25% PLUS med benefits changed, absolutely NOT TRUE. They have offered the same 5.25% in different forms, period.

Again, I am one to admit my mistakes. I am and will be more careful in my reading and replying, not just to you but to all. Thanks for responding and showing me.

[aubie84alum]

I wanted to stay out of this a bit today, but I have to address this point made by the school board president.
This on the surface is true, but if you look beneath it you will see that this, like a lot of the other things that are on this board, is not totally accurate.

You see, technically, Mr. Godwin, I like to call him Pat, but I digress, has not received an increase personally since coming to FCUSD. The position of superintendent was vacated about 1.5 years ago(not sure exactly what his date of hire was, but I think you understand) and prior to his signing the contract the POSITION of superintendent was given a raise of 13% or $25,000 obviously in an attempt to attract a worthy candidate. The COLA for those years was nowhere near 13%. So, again, technically HE did not receive a raise because he was not an employee of the district yet, but the POSITION of superintendent did receive a raise of 13% or $25,000. The position of chief financial officer, held by Mrs. Debbie Bettencourt, a very intelligent lady, was also given a raise of 25% or $40,000. Again, the COLA for that year was nowhere near 25%

Do what you want with the numbers, just please, please, please, see what is going on here. It's the little misdirections and disinformation that is holding up the process. Hopefully the truth will come out and a deal reached soon.

I'm not even going to address the SBPrez attempt to not respond to this. I took my ball and went home a week ago after being attacked personally, but now I am stronger and I even have a cohort or two, so I think she will be back.

Calling me angry, just isn't going to work. Everyone gets riled up about something from time to time. Now is MY time...

ROBERT...I'll apologize for aubie here. I don't know her personally, but she was like me a week or two ago, wildly trying to smash all in her path. That's what happens when someone in town goes personal. I get it, but don't go anywhere. We need people like you who will see both sides. She'll settle down and we'll go to work...

Keep us honest Robert...

Thanks for having my back. You're both right. I've been a little emotional about this and other stuff lately.