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#286 Erika

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 02:01 PM

QUOTE(stevethedad @ Oct 19 2004, 12:43 PM)
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So what? Are whips and chains illegal or immoral? In my lifetime both my wife and I have been given gifts, gag or otherwise, of handcuffs, a whip, a little cat 'o nine tails, oils, lotions, games, etc., basically the stuff that Ms. Teaz is planning to sell. I was never offended by any of it, and found it to be harmless. At my age, the 'novelty' has worn off, buyt that doesn't mean others don't have the right to sell or possess such things. 

If this is the kind of stuff that will be in the back room, who cares? Why does anyone care what is in someone's back room? As long as they aren't doing anything illegal, I don't care what they do.

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Wow, ok...slow down. If you've read my previous posts I really don't care if the shop goes in. I was trying to get facts and examples which most people seem to want. I took the "whips and chains" from a previous post. That was an example that someone else had mentioned and figured I could use it as an example. I feel at this point most people are tired of this discussion and just want the facts.

"As long as they aren't doing anything illegal, I don't care what they do." I would agree!

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 02:06 PM

Yep, it's time to settle for facts - from the owner AND the city and then we will go from there.

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 02:19 PM

I thought Folsom had 54-55k residents... didn't know we were at 60k already....

To those of you that would consider opening a store like that (in Folsom) in the future, the trick is to carry the most benign items and inventory upon opening, and then as time passes begin adding more risque goods.

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 02:23 PM


Yes, as long as they follow the city code for adult business. The bottomline.


QUOTE(Erika @ Oct 19 2004, 02:01 PM)
"As long as they aren't doing anything illegal, I don't care what they do." I would agree!

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE(Cloud9 @ Oct 19 2004, 02:19 PM)
I thought Folsom had 54-55k residents... didn't know we were at 60k already....

To those of you that would consider opening a store like that (in Folsom) in the future, the trick is to carry the most benign items and inventory upon opening, and then as time passes begin adding more risque goods.

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It's better to ask forgiveness than permission.

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 02:24 PM

QUOTE(cybertrano @ Oct 19 2004, 02:23 PM)
Yes, as long as they follow the city code for adult business.  The bottomline.

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I hope for your sake that city code never goes against anything you like.

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 02:28 PM

I think I'm beginning to see how it was so easy for a man like Hitler to come into power.....
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Posted 19 October 2004 - 02:34 PM

Heil Hitler biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 07:20 AM

I've visited Sutter a couple of times. Stuffy antique shops and magazine stores, artsy-craftsy stores, bars, restaurants, and candy shops. After visiting the non-food related shops once, I can say that I saw nothing that interested me and I doubt their inventory turns over often. If your business is hurting and you're asking the local governments for relief, seems like running another business out of town is a bit hypocritical. I'd actually be interested in a list of these businesses.

So, I only go back for the restaurants (typ. Hacienda) and I don't even get there via Sutter -- a parking lot interests me more than antique stores, go figure wink.gif

This shop adds something new. A new reason to visit Sutter St. I plan to visit at least once to see what they have. And who know, I may even go back afterwards for those special occasions. Hope they have stuff for guys wink.gif

As for decency, nobody complains about the naked lady painting in the Folsom Hotel. Probably because those people haven't been inside. Same thing applies here. If you are offended by what's inside, don't go in. Nothing on the store front is going to be offensive to casual strollers. Maybe they'll provide some lingerie to cover up the naked lady painting as a gesture of goodwill smile.gif

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 08:55 AM

The Folsom Telegraph has an article on this subject in today's edition. To read it online, go to: http://www.folsomtel.../atop2shopp.txt

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 09:07 AM

The last sentence of the article states that they have signed an addendum to the lease stating that they will not sell "explicit" sex items.

Personally, I think that's a bummer, but they must have felt it was necessary to garner goodwill in the community. Either way, I intend to do some Christmas shopping there!

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 09:38 AM

QUOTE(Orangetj @ Oct 19 2004, 09:20 AM)
  I've heard people make statements to the effect that "this kind of shop wouldn't be found in Nantucket or Carmel".  So what?  This isn't Nantucket!  Up until very recently, Folsom seemed to have had the feeling of an old frontier gold-rush town, which is exactly what it was.  If it were up to me, I'd rather make Folsom feel like Sutter Creek, Jackson or Nevada City ...

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Funny, I love Nevada City, AND I think of it as having boutiques and family-friendly shops - exactly what I want here. Do they have controversial stores there that I missed?
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Posted 20 October 2004 - 09:45 AM

QUOTE(bordercolliefan @ Oct 19 2004, 10:55 AM)
Obviously they are being advised by lawyers now. 

Where there's smoke there's usually fire...  I can't help thinking there is a bit more at issue here than scented lotions and body paints... 

Although the proprietors are complaining mightily about the local "lynch mob," I believe the democratic process has worked, and will work, just right here.  I have a feeling that without the public outcry and the City Council's involvement, the store's inventory would have been a bit more explicit than most citizens of Folsom want on Sutter St.  Now that the owners know the residents' level of concern, they will be able to tailor their inventory to items that will be welcomed in the community -- while still having a very successful and much-welcomed store.  Sounds like the right result to me...

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 10:29 AM

Good morning.

This is the first time that I have posted on this website. But I thought it would be valuable to provide some first hand information to minimize the rumor and innuendo. When I first heard about the Ms. Teaz store, I was told it was going to be upscale lingerie similar to a “Victoria Secrets”. I am not opposed to this type of store and thought it would be a nice addition to Sutter Street.

However, later I learned that the Dufours had made a presentation and provided their business plan to the Folsom Historic District Association. During their sales pitch, their presentation focused on the front of the store which included the lingerie. A board member had heard a rumor that they would be carrying sex toys and asked them directly if that would be the case. After a bit of stumbling, they did admit that they would be carrying adult “novelties” including sex toys.

Since my vision of adult shops is negative, I thought it warranted additional research. I asked for a copy of the business plan and contacted one of the property owners that leased the space to the Dufours. He indicated to me that he felt that the adult section would be nothing more than gag and bachelor/bachelorette party gifts but would ask Sam Dufour to contact me directly.

Sam called and after a long introduction, we reviewed the business plan including comparing and contrasting the competing businesses he provided in his business plan (Kiss and Tell in Fair Oaks, Naughty and Nice in Citrus Heights, Evangelines in Old Sacramento and Victoria Secrets). During this discussion, he indicated that the business most representative would be Spartacus Leathers and Lingerie in Portland, Oregon. He said that the front of the store would be “exactly” like Spartacus and the back of his store would be a “subset of Spartacus” not including the “pony wear” and the rental DVDs and videos. As I tried to get Sam to be more specific about exactly what kind of products would be in the adult section, he became a bit defensive.

After speaking to Sam, I grew more concerned and reviewed his business plan in detail. Under Products and Services, Leather, Latex, Rubber, Vinyl and Gear, the Ms. Teaz business plan lists two products lines “Spartacus Leathers” and “Sportsheets”. An internet search adding .com after these products, provides the vendor’s on line catalogue.
Please note that these are adult sites and not appropriate for children.

Spartacus describes their store as follows: “Since 1987, Spartacus Enterprises of Oregon has been producing the highest quality of leather bondage toys and nipple clamps. We are a recognized name throughout the world for our extensive selection and craftsmanship. Here in Portland, you can find it all at our store: whips, paddles, crops, blindfolds, masks, hoods, wrist and ankle restraints, collars, gags, handcuffs, toys for boys, harnesses, chaps, vests, leather lingerie, etc.

The Sportsheet site is more of the same. Also in the business plan is a section on Educational/How to Media including books such as “Japanese Rope Tying”. An internet search will find that this is bondage.

I also attended a presentation at Sam’s store. He again became very defensive about the products in the back room. It was obvious that no one was much concerned about the lingerie but asked if he would eliminate the adult section. Sam indicated that the lingerie would be nice but “sex sells”.

After the presentation, I again spoke to the property owner and shared with him my research on the business plan. He said he would ask the Dufours to tone it down and assured me he would not allow products that were objectionable. I asked him to restrict his lease so that we could be assured of that. He didn’t think that would be necessary.

After the review of the business plan, the discussion with Sam and the presentation at Sam’s store, I felt that my concerns were justified. I then flew to Portland and visited Spartacus Leathers and Lingerie. In the front of the store, I didn't find the Hustler brand lingerie especially upscale nor did I find the "School Girl" outfit appealing. However, maybe their pedophile clients do. The media section was also disturbing with the following titles including "Japanese Bondage", "Flogging", "Complete Spanker" and "Wound Culture". Without being more explicit, I found that many of the products in the store were designed to restrain, dominate, intimidate and inflict pain. In my opinion, these products are generally demeaning to women and encourage women to be viewed as objects of sexual gratification rather than equal partners.

I hope that the City and the property owners can keep these products off Sutter Street and we can instead encourage the types of businesses that others have mentioned here including coffee shops, bookstores, record stores, specialty grocery stores and the like. Hopefully, the community pressure will convince the Dufours to modify their business plan and open a nice lingerie shop rather than the Spartacus store Sam wished to emulate.

I felt it important to provide you this information. I don’t see this as a witch hunt. I see this as concerned citizens who care about the Historic District, our quality of life in Folsom and the model that we provide our children. Please feel free to do your own research. I do have a copy of the business plan that I can provide you. Thanks for listening.


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Posted 20 October 2004 - 10:41 AM

If ya read this article:

http://www.folsomtel.../atop2shopp.txt

The bottom part said:

"Folsom Historic District Association's President Dan McNeil disagrees. He said his business partners are threatening to abort plans for a restaurant and microbrew if the boutique opens.

"They were never up front with us," said McNeil. "This is not a personal attack. We're trying to develop a plan to revitalize the district. And this is not a good way to do that."
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Why aren't they (the owners) be upfront with us? What hiding? whistle.gif

QUOTE(pampChefLady @ Oct 20 2004, 09:45 AM)
I agree.

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