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[waterbaby149]

Ms. Holderness

the kind lady was at least in her 70's or 80's
I have no need to lie

[Linda Holderness]

No one said you lied. But no one on the Library Commission has signed the petition. And I don't see any reason to define anyone by her age. Unfortunately, being "elderly" in our society is not a compliment. Why not just say "a woman"?

[waterbaby149]

I apologize, if that is possible, for any offense you may have taken. But no matter what it is said you will find fault

I have heard stories about a bridge and the "not in backyard campaign"

The proposed location of the library is in my backyard - and I would like it elsewhere - maybe where it should have been in a building in excess of 10,000 square feet, a couple of doors down

This argument will rage on - neither side will be happy - somewhat like a divorce.....

[Linda Holderness]

No offense, but I don't want you spreading this statement without knowing that it is false. Whatever the lady told you, she is not a library commissioner. The Library Commission is solidly in favor of the park site. We have only one member over 70, and that's Gail Kipp. Believe me, Gail Kipp did not sign the petition (and if you read the Telegraph the last two weeks, you can confirm that). All of our other members range from 60 down to perhaps as young as the 20s.

And, by the way, NO ONE would ever refer to Gail Kipp as elderly!

[Candy Apple]

It is obvioous that some of the people posting on this topic cannot get the facts right, or maybe they just want to keep spreading misinformation.

In the first place there is no"building a couple of doors down in excess of 10,000 square feet where the library could be located". The only building of 10,000 sq. ft. is the former fire headquarters building.

The library needs, by state library standards, is 38,000 to 40,000. The only way Folsom can get that amount of space is in two different buildings----a main one and a branch, which is just what is planned.

As for the fairy tale about an "elderly lady Library Commissioner" signing the park petition, there just might be grounds for a lawsuit there in such a public statement.

One or more of the Commissioners is a lawyer----you might talk to them about that Linda.

[waterbaby149]

Candy Apple
I do not appreciate your intimidation tactics - I was conveying what I was told when collecting signatures by a party that signed a Petition -

I am glad that some of the commissioners are attorneys, I myself have worked in the legal profession for over 25 years - to include a State Bar President under Governor Jerry Brown, and a Federal Magistrate. So be advised that I am aware that your threats of an attorney are without merit.

Does it scare you that you will not get the park site for the library??? Obviously when u have yet to come up with facts - have you read the mitigation report

I have and my comments were made in writing to the Public Works Commission as well as the the CC members:

"Reference 4th paragraph page 29 of the subject document. Your contention that “a plaque” is the only memorializing item of concern in this subject area is totally incorrect and without merit. The City in its original dedication made the ball field the Memorial–the stone and plaque (your
reference) came some time after the memorial ceremony. Consequently, the ball field is the memorial and falls under the CEQA definition you describe in subparagraph 3, page 30 of the
subject document.

Secondly, your assertion that an ad hoc recognition committee established by the Parks and Recreation Department in some manner helps to mitigate this problem is absurd. The ad hoc committee serves at the pleasure of the people to whom they should oppose in protecting the monuments and memorials located in our public parks and areas.

Further, these individuals represent no community unified veterans’ position and speak mainly for themselves individually and the City Council members that appointed them. Again, your statement and presumptions in this matter are incorrect and thus your determination of a “Mitigated
Negative Declaration” is grossly overstated.

I respectfully request that you address the above incorrect assumptions and republish your environmental impact document concerning the proposed new library."

This is just the start of the formal and legally presented objections to the mitigation report. These are not accusations founded on thin air, but actual references to the report and its contents.

There are additional questions over adequate parking given that the attendance is up at the zoo. That leaves concerns for the traffic also. The mitigation report states that there was no a.m. traffic study. Why not? You have a coffee shop, meeting rooms, and increased traffic at the zoo. This all creates increased traffic on Stafford and Natoma.

Just more food for thought that you can throw up

[Candy Apple]

So far, we have seen nothing but selfish people who only "speak for themselves". The bottom line is----FOLSOM NEEDS A LIBRARY!! THE SITE CHOSEN IS THE ONLY PLACE LEFT FOR A LIBRARY!!!!

[Candy Apple]

waterbaby----
Have you lost track?

I just printed your last posting of over a page to mre easily read your rantings.

What does your reference to the Ad Hoc committee have to do with anything? That committee was created to find ways to honor all Folsom Vets.

As I said, FOLSOM NEEDS A LIBRARY!! THE SITE CHOSEN IS THE ONLY ADEQUATE SPACE LEFT FOR A LIBRARY! GET REAL! GET A LIFE! Stop degrading people who rightly or wrongly sign your petition!

[waterbaby149]

Candy Apple
Learn to read legal documents
and if you can't
well then a library isn't going to help you
so just shut up
I have had enough of the reterick -
for someone who is suppose to be so educationed
you are tiring

[Candy Apple]

I couldn't have said it better----your rhetoric was almost perfect.

[grandpa babe]

Fellow Citizens

I trust that most of you have been observing the memorial tributes to a great President--Ronald Reagan. As a 22-year veteran of the military, I am struck by the fact that our young men and women can show compassion and tradition along with overpowering forces of war and do both with equal dexterity.

One of the items concerning the Ronald Reagan Library that intrigued me is the fact that there first choice was the campus of Stanford University and when the university faculty presented an opposition because of President Reagan's conservative beliefs, President Reagan was gracious enough to select a different site in Simi Valley. History now shows the site to be more beautiful, more desirable, and certainly less controversial than the President's first choice.

With all my teary emotions of this past week and being cognizant of our similar efforts with the community library in Folsom, I respectfully ask one more time for the city council to re-open the debate on site selection for the city library. Again the veterans and the Lions will give maximum support of our dollars and long-time connections to build a badly needed library. However, as Stanford did not want the Reagan Library on their property because of controversy, I ask that you reconsider a less controversial site. If it follows the Reagan library siting, you will wind up with a much better library and with a lot less devisiveness.

Having heard all the eloquent speaches today, I am sure this message comes across somewhat garbled. So let me say it in one sentence. Learn some lessons from the Ronald Reagan Library site location and know that a different location is probably better for the community and the historical preservation of Farley Field.

[waterbaby149]

Thank you Grandpa Babe - The loss of our 40th President and former Governor of the State of California has been moving to all - I watched how his son Michael talked about his father - who never mentioned reminded him that he was adopted - what a gracious man. I remember watching the Wall come down as I had many friends in Germany - especially remembering their stories of traveling to East Berlin and I persons escape from East Germany. Our children do not know this history and it was so moving for our time.
I join you in asking the cc members, the library commission, and all others in this matter - take the higher road - we who support the petition to put the issue of the location of the library on Marshall Farley Field have stated repeatedly -Let the Citizens of Folsom decide. If they decide to build it there so be it - and that will be the end of the issue - but let the citizens of this wonderful community make this choice.

[waterbaby149]

Candy ....
Thank you I appreciate your response in the Folsom Telegraph - and I love butterflys
But my comments in the paper are not delusional and were proposed questions - what if's which have been made to the cc members, in particular Eric King and Andy Morin - and with the what if's comes "possiblities"

[zach5]

So, is the gazebo, and or train threatened now?, I believe it was Bob Vitt, who came to my house, trying to gather signatures for the petition, and said there was a revised library plan, where the gazebo, and or train would be removed.

[waterbaby149]

Zach
I invite you to read for yourself - the enviromental impact report, and listen to the library commission tapes - the library commission and Mr. Sheldon paint our poor railroad engineer as a "fool" who will go along with anything
If you live in the area near the library you were sent a notice of public hearing from the City - in that notice you will read that there is a request for rezoning of 49 acres -
A look in the recent newsletter from the City of Folsom will show you that the library will come within 40 feet of the gazebo - where is the ambiance in that
What about the trees w/blue marks on them? Will they be full grown trees in the future???
And then ask yourself why the library commission, parks and rec, and the cc are so afraid to have this issue on the ballot???
The information is out there - u just need to read it, at that time you can make your own informed opinion