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#301 Robert Giacometti

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 10:32 AM

QUOTE(stevethedad @ Mar 29 2007, 10:05 AM) View Post
I don't know if that was the choice of the media, the NAACP, or the Andersons, but as I mentioned earlier, the guy is hurting, and searching for answers. Would it have been better if he'd chosen the ACLU? A lawyer?


Steve, I can understand Mr. Anderson hurting and seeking answers. The question I have is, after he contacted the NCAAP, did they contact the FPD as a courtesy trying to work with them or just schedule the news conference?

Again, I just can't imagine what the family is going through and they have my deepest sympathy over this tragic loss.

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 10:58 AM

QUOTE(stevethedad @ Mar 29 2007, 11:05 AM) View Post
I don't know if that was the choice of the media, the NAACP, or the Andersons, but as I mentioned earlier, the guy is hurting, and searching for answers. Would it have been better if he'd chosen the ACLU? A lawyer?

Argh! No. Why would they need to do either? It's tough to know why one would think of a race-related organization when there has been no suggestion of any race issue. It's also difficult to comprehend what civil rights might have been impinged, so ACLU wouldn't come to my mind either.

I guess I don't know to which ombudsman I would go if I felt the police were not being responsive. Press maybe. Probably not any of the A-initialed groups. Robert's right, though, that any group called upon should have gone first to the FPD before going to press. That is, if they were really interested in helping to resolve things as opposed to wanting to stir things up.
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Posted 29 March 2007 - 11:03 AM

QUOTE(stevethedad @ Mar 29 2007, 11:24 AM) View Post
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Steve:
The only reason that I can see for the ACLU to be involved in this case is if someone's civil liberties were being violated - I don't think that anyone has accused the police of doing such a thing. If the family needs a representative to deal with the police, then a lawyer would be appropriate.

Now, if the family feels as though the police are ignoring them because they are black, then by all means call the ACLU, NAACP, whomever you want. That is wrong and should not be tolerated............but I haven't heard anyone from the family allege that has happened. Therefore, leave the ACLU out of it!

I do want to point out that my reply is in response to Steve's previous post, the family - as far as I know has not contacted the ACLU!!!!

I think the police are doing their job and I hope that now that they know the family needs more communication, will ensure that it is provided.

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 12:41 PM

QUOTE(4thgenFolsomite @ Mar 29 2007, 10:32 AM) View Post
How about the Sacramento Bee or the Folsom Telegraph?


How could they help - they have been so off base in their reporting of the FACTS that one wonders where they got the information- even the COP in the Telegraph cant get his facts straight

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 12:52 PM

Despite what the initial TV interview of the parents suggested-Craig and Gina STILL have questions that are as of yet unanswered- - and there are also issue related to the very POOR response time - of calls about a black boy hanging in a tree--
While I know more than most - I don't think that is any cause to suggest that Andre was alone - and I also do not think that his parents are getting a much information as they should-
Sure - maybe some info is being held back - but with the conversation that I had with a detective at the scene a few days later- the FPD is holding some information back - and was quite hostile about my pointed questions...

I am not sure some of the information should come out - as it may have nothing to do with Andre's death - and may in fact taint the real facts ...

I do find it odd that his feet were bound to the tree- how does one do that on their own ?

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 01:14 PM

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Despite what the initial TV interview of the parents suggested-Craig and Gina STILL have questions that are as of yet unanswered- - and there are also issue related to the very POOR response time - of calls about a black boy hanging in a tree--
While I know more than most - I don't think that is any cause to suggest that Andre was alone - and I also do not think that his parents are getting a much information as they should-
Sure - maybe some info is being held back - but with the conversation that I had with a detective at the scene a few days later- the FPD is holding some information back - and was quite hostile about my pointed questions...

I am not sure some of the information should come out - as it may have nothing to do with Andre's death - and may in fact taint the real facts ...

I do find it odd that his feet were bound to the tree- how does one do that on their own ?


If he was alone, I am sure he would be mortified to know half the citizens of Folsom were speculating on how he could have done this to himself, let alone that anyone knew that he had done it. If he wasn't alone, there must be some very scared kid or kids out there who are terrified to come forward because of all the hype.

The poor parents may never knew what happened. The police can't solve every riddle and this is a odd one.
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Posted 29 March 2007 - 01:28 PM

QUOTE(4thgenFolsomite @ Mar 29 2007, 01:14 PM) View Post
If he was alone, I am sure he would be mortified to know half the citizens of Folsom were speculating on how he could have done this to himself, let alone that anyone knew that he had done it. If he wasn't alone, there must be some very scared kid or kids out there who are terrified to come forward because of all the hype.

The poor parents may never knew what happened. The police can't solve every riddle and this is a odd one.


I agree in all respects to your post ...

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 01:56 PM

QUOTE(Robert Giacometti @ Mar 29 2007, 11:32 AM) View Post
Steve, I can understand Mr. Anderson hurting and seeking answers. The question I have is, after he contacted the NCAAP, did they contact the FPD as a courtesy trying to work with them or just schedule the news conference?

That's a great question. I don't know the answer. If one believes that the NAACP had more in mind than just helping out the Andersons, then they might go public first. I don't know.

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 02:29 PM

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Argh! No. Why would they need to do either? It's tough to know why one would think of a race-related organization when there has been no suggestion of any race issue. It's also difficult to comprehend what civil rights might have been impinged, so ACLU wouldn't come to my mind either.

I guess I don't know to which ombudsman I would go if I felt the police were not being responsive. Press maybe. Probably not any of the A-initialed groups. Robert's right, though, that any group called upon should have gone first to the FPD before going to press. That is, if they were really interested in helping to resolve things as opposed to wanting to stir things up.


Look back to my rather long post that I hoped would bring folks a different perspective. I'll put it more concisely this time.

From the 1800's to the late 1900's, over 4700 people were lynched in the US. The overwhelming majority of them were black. Our goverment refused to pass any anti-lynching laws, leaving it to local jurisdictions to deal with, and those local jurisdictions were often involved. Lynchings continued well into our lifetimes, with the most recent that I'm aware of being in the 90's.

So, when a young black male is found hanging from a tree, in a town where only 6% of the population is black, lynching comes to mind before 'accidental death while playing the choking game'.

Also, as blacks didn't enjoy equal protection under the law, nor the same basic rights as whites in America, less value was placed on the lives of blacks, and crimes against blacks or deaths of blacks were often ignored, or given quck and minimal investigations. Blacks could not count on 'the system' to do right by them.

I remember a woman made her way onto the local news when Lacy Peterson was missing. She was asking why her daughter's disappearance was ignored by the media, while they jumped allover the Lacy Peterson story. Both were newsworthy. Both were young women who disappeared suddenly, from the same general area, under similar circumstances. The difference was that one was white, the other, black.

The police were quick to announce that the death appeared to be accidental, and that there was no evidence of foul play. They also said the investigation wasn't over.

People don't always have faith, however, and the Andersons were and are desperate for answers.

An out-of-town cousin of mine called me and suggested that if the kid had been the son of the mayor or some other prominent citizen, or if he'd just been white, the investigation would have been a lot different. Whether or not that is true isn't the point. It's that because of our history, we sometimes feel that we are getting the short end, due to race.

For nearly 100 years, the only group that was ALWAYS willing to help black folks with social and legal issues, without question, has been the NAACP.

In modern times, it is the only group that government institutions and major corporations listen to. So, it is no wonder that when a black person feels they aren't getting anywhere with a government agency, over something so very important, that they'd turn to NAACP, the one group they know would help.

Did the Andersons go about it right way? Did they call the NAACP too soon? I don't know what other steps they've gone through to get information. I would think that one would go through some chain of escalation, from detective, to sergeant, to Chief, to Mayor, to attorney or to NAACP.

I don't know if that happened, but it's easy for us to sit back and judge the Andersons, and the police, but we're not in their shoes.

One side is in terrible pain, the other has to be careful about revealing too much before the investigation is finalized.

I have faith that the Folsom PD is doing all they can to resolve this, and I hope the Andersons soon find peace.

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 03:00 PM

QUOTE(stevethedad @ Mar 29 2007, 03:29 PM) View Post
Look back to my rather long post that I hoped would bring folks a different perspective. I'll put it more concisely this time.

From the 1800's to the late 1900's, over 4700 people were lynched in the US. The overwhelming majority of them were black. Our goverment refused to pass any anti-lynching laws, leaving it to local jurisdictions to deal with, and those local jurisdictions were often involved. Lynchings continued well into our lifetimes, with the most recent that I'm aware of being in the 90's.

So, when a young black male is found hanging from a tree, in a town where only 6% of the population is black, lynching comes to mind before 'accidental death while playing the choking game'.

Also, as blacks didn't enjoy equal protection under the law, nor the same basic rights as whites in America, less value was placed on the lives of blacks, and crimes against blacks or deaths of blacks were often ignored, or given quck and minimal investigations. Blacks could not count on 'the system' to do right by them.

I remember a woman made her way onto the local news when Lacy Peterson was missing. She was asking why her daughter's disappearance was ignored by the media, while they jumped allover the Lacy Peterson story. Both were newsworthy. Both were young women who disappeared suddenly, from the same general area, under similar circumstances. The difference was that one was white, the other, black.

The police were quick to announce that the death appeared to be accidental, and that there was no evidence of foul play. They also said the investigation wasn't over.

People don't always have faith, however, and the Andersons were and are desperate for answers.

An out-of-town cousin of mine called me and suggested that if the kid had been the son of the mayor or some other prominent citizen, or if he'd just been white, the investigation would have been a lot different. Whether or not that is true isn't the point. It's that because of our history, we sometimes feel that we are getting the short end, due to race.

For nearly 100 years, the only group that was ALWAYS willing to help black folks with social and legal issues, without question, has been the NAACP.

In modern times, it is the only group that government institutions and major corporations listen to. So, it is no wonder that when a black person feels they aren't getting anywhere with a government agency, over something so very important, that they'd turn to NAACP, the one group they know would help.

Did the Andersons go about it right way? Did they call the NAACP too soon? I don't know what other steps they've gone through to get information. I would think that one would go through some chain of escalation, from detective, to sergeant, to Chief, to Mayor, to attorney or to NAACP.

I don't know if that happened, but it's easy for us to sit back and judge the Andersons, and the police, but we're not in their shoes.

One side is in terrible pain, the other has to be careful about revealing too much before the investigation is finalized.

I have faith that the Folsom PD is doing all they can to resolve this, and I hope the Andersons soon find peace.

stevethedad....
I completely understand the point you are making, and I absolutely agree with everything you've said. I also remember the woman you mentioned during the Laci Peterson investigation, asking why her daughter wasn't getting the same attention, given the similarities of the cases. It is very sad, in my opinion, when there appears to be some sort of profiling done for cases where one of the differences involves the color of the person's skin. I hope that this wasn't done in Andre's case. I, like everyone else, are waiting to hear something that can reassure us that was not the case. I know that if I were Craig and Gina, I would take any steps necessary to get all information available, and I support them in that no matter how they go about it.
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Posted 29 March 2007 - 04:42 PM

QUOTE(folsom500 @ Mar 29 2007, 01:52 PM) View Post
Despite what the initial TV interview of the parents suggested-Craig and Gina STILL have questions that are as of yet unanswered- - and there are also issue related to the very POOR response time - of calls about a black boy hanging in a tree--
While I know more than most - I don't think that is any cause to suggest that Andre was alone - and I also do not think that his parents are getting a much information as they should-
Sure - maybe some info is being held back - but with the conversation that I had with a detective at the scene a few days later- the FPD is holding some information back - and was quite hostile about my pointed questions...

I am not sure some of the information should come out - as it may have nothing to do with Andre's death - and may in fact taint the real facts ...

I do find it odd that his feet were bound to the tree- how does one do that on their own ?



I realize people are upset about the response time from the FPD. My friend told me that the first call was very vague and did not mention that the boy was hanging in a tree. A second call came in and the person said there was a boy hanging in the tree, not a black boy hanging in a tree, just a boy...the PD was there in less than 4 minutes after that second call...

I hate to say this, but if that happend in Sac County, the response time probably would have been a lot longer.....

Folsom 500- You seem to be in contact witht he family more than anyone else. I have a co-worker that was at the NAACP news conference, he said that Andre's dad made a statement that was drastically edited by the media. Andre's dad actually said that this was not a racial crime and that he thought the FPD was doing a thorough investigation.... the media decided not to show that...is there any truth to that? and one last thing, the family friend of the Anderson's who met the the FPD last week and was given all of the information about the case, do you know if he has spoken to the family? It would be nice to hear something if you could find that out....Thanks again for your time

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 04:48 PM

QUOTE(folsom500 @ Mar 29 2007, 01:52 PM) View Post
I do find it odd that his feet were bound to the tree- how does one do that on their own ?


It is my understanding that his feet were not bound to the tree but rather to the harness that he was in. Regardless, you are correct - I believe he wasn't alone. Hence the police's silence????

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 04:56 PM

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It is my understanding that his feet were not bound to the tree but rather to the harness that he was in. Regardless, you are correct - I believe he wasn't alone. Hence the police's silence????

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his feet were tethered by a long shoelace. the shoelace was around each ankle and then went around the tree..it was not attached to anything but his feet.

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Posted 01 April 2007 - 12:27 AM

Maybe not everyone has already heard by now:

http://www.sacbee.co...ory/147337.html

Just in case the link to the article disappears, which happens often:

Andre Anderson, the Folsom teen found hanging in a tree on March 13 died of "Asphyxia by Hanging, Autoerotic Type," Sacramento County coroner Robert Lyons said Friday afternoon.

Lyons, in a press conference at his office, explained that the practice involves "intentionally reducing the amount of oxygen to the brain during sexual stimulation."

Considered a dangerous game, it is usually played alone, often with tragic consequences.

Lyons was joined at the press conference by Folsom Police Chief Sam Spiegel and Dr. Mark Super, the county's chief forensic pathologist.

"This is a tough, tough loss to understand," Spiegel said.

Spiegel was adamant about the need for increased education about the risky behavior that is claiming up to 1,000 adult or youth victims a year nationwide, according to FBI statistics.

Police and school districts routinely offer information about drugs, drunken driving and similar topics. It is time to add this to the curriculum even though the subject matter is sure to make some parents and teachers squeamish, Spiegel said.

When asked what parents should be looking for, Spiegel said, "Part of it is knowing what your kids are looking at on the Internet."

Police investigators found evidence on the teenager's home computer indicating that he had been researching autoerotic asphyxiation, according to Spiegel.

The positioning of Anderson's body, the binding materials that were used and other evidence at the scene pointed toward autoerotic asphyxiation. An autopsy performed March 14 found "no other significant trauma ... other than marks left by the ligature," Lyons said.

The toxicology report, released Friday, showed no drugs or alcohol in the teen's system.

Anderson was found about 9 a.m. by passers-by in a small neighborhood park residents call "Big Foot Park." It is just a few doors down from Anderson's home near Turn Pike Drive and Hopfield Drive in the Natoma Station neighborhood.

He was last seen at home about 10 p.m. the day before. His parents noticed that he was missing by about 12:30 a.m. and by about 3:30 a.m. they had called the police.

The nature of the death and the fact that the teen's father is African American and his mother white helped fuel speculation and anxiety throughout the area. The Sacramento branch of the NAACP and many residents criticized the Police Department's fairly quick decision that no foul play was evident and the death was most likely accidental.

Super said that lack of understanding about the nature of autoerotic asphyxiation may have come into play in the community reaction. For example, "this behavior is almost always solitary," Super said.

People tend to assume that it is connected with masturbation. But often, the goal is to heighten the sexual fantasy the person is engaged in, Super said.

Information about a form of a choking game, known by various names and intended to produce a "natural high," has spread among youths via the Web. Participants have been fooled into thinking it is a drug-free, safe recreation, but don't realize that it can be fatal in just a few minutes, child-safety experts say.

In some teens, those experts add, the choking game can take on elements of autoerotic asphyxiation.

Although a person playing with asphyxiation often will include some type of safety mechanism, Anderson appeared not to have had one, Lyons said.

Representatives from the Police Department and the coroner's office met with the Anderson family before the coroner's press conference at 4:30 p.m.

"We've come to accept it," Craig Anderson, the victim's father, said early Friday evening during a brief telephone interview. "It is very hard to accept these findings."

He predicted that his son's legion of friends will not be convinced by anything the coroner has to say. "I know they won't accept it."

Anderson said he did not think his son was the victim of foul play.

His family needs time to deal with its grief, he said. Perhaps, later, he will participate in whatever educational program the school district develops in response to his son's death, Anderson said.

Sacramento County sees only one or two of these deaths a year, so far, Lyons said. He agreed with Spiegel that more education is needed because even a few cases a year are too many.

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Posted 01 April 2007 - 03:57 PM

I could not believe that I was actually reading a factual event in this day and age!! This is extremely disturbing!!! Taking someone's life is so wrong and robbing someone of their future, especially a young life, makes me wonder what is happening to us!! The news of being murdered and hung from a tree with legs tied up is purely the act of evil...and if it turns out to be racial on top of it...it is the act of insecure self-righteous unintelligent scum!! My thoughts go out to the family, friends, neighbors and our community. We need to show unity as this is tragic. If it was racially motivated, we need to show this is unacceptable and to show that we do not believe these actions are right and just!! God help us.......if the boy was murdered, it was done by cowards that think they are justified to judge and take actions against another! This totally sickens me!!!!!!!! When will we all believe that we all bleed and breathe??.....we are all human!! Appreciate and show respect in our differences - enjoy and celebrate them!!! God Bless the young man and parents........and OUR HUMAN RACE!!




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