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[slowthegrowth]

I think there's a good number of folks on this board (and in the community) that are concerned about a shop like this opening on Sutter but wanted to learn more before making any final determination in their minds as to if this is good/bad for Folsom.

Many chances have been given to the new owners to help us learn more about exactly what's going to be included for sale....this being (I think) the determining factor for many when all is said and done.

Example: Lingerie ala Victoria Secret = no problem... Kiss & Tell/hard core porn = problem. In between = ???

These critical details have not been easily forthcoming and, according to several posts now, met with moderate hostility.

Lawyer-ing up, hiding or at the very least not sharing important information/details is not a way to get welcomed into this growing, but still small-townish community.

[Hilscher1]

I was under the impression from reading the newspaper and from what Misty (msteaz) has said that there will be absolutely no hardcore items for sale in her shop ever. She has said repedetly that it will be more like a high end designer lingerie boutique with the exception of a closed back room where they will have humoreous adult gift and massage oil and the like. I would assume this will be like the room they have at evangalines. If you havent been in this room id suggest you drive down to Old Sac and check it out because it is harmless and mostly fun items. I really dont see how we can have so many people in the community trying to run these very nice and hard working people out of town. Sutter Street needs to be a little more risky in the buisness's they have at least 5 bars and is that any better than a lingerie shop. I dont think so.

[camay2327]

When it opens and you don't like it, go down with your protest signs and sit in front of the place. The more that go and do it the more effect it will have.

Depends on how you feel. If you feel strongly enough, do your thing.

[bishmasterb]

When it opens and you don't like it, go down with your protest signs and sit in front of the place. The more that go and do it the more effect it will have. 

Depends on how you feel.  If you feel strongly enough, do your thing.

Good point. As long as you're peaceful and don't interfere with their ability to conduct business, I think that's a fine idea for those who have a problem with her store (assuming you've really checked out the inventory and aren't operating on hearsay or mob mentatlity).

[Orangetj]

Did nobody else catch the last 2 sentences of the Telegraph article? Here they are:

"The controversy may be a mute issue, however. On Friday, Misty Dufour signed an addendum to the lease stating they will not sell explicit sex items."

It seems that this is a dead issue.

[bordercolliefan]

Thanks to lovefolsom for the detailed account set forth above. Thanks also for investing the effort to go check out the store that is the supposed model for the Dafours' store.

I think lovefolsom's account shows that those of us who have expressed concern are fully justified.

Reading between the lines, I think it is also obvious that the Dafours hoped they could sneak this store into Folsom without too much scrutiny. In one of her posts, Misty Dafour stated that the Dafours were pleased that Folsom's adult business ordinance seemed to leave things up to the proprietors' morals and judgment (probably unlike other towns they might try to spring this store on). The Telegraph states that numerous merchants feel the Dafours were never straight with them about the nature of the store.

Steve, you met these folks in person and felt they were straight shooters. But it sounds like they told you about the scented lotions and body paints but somehow forgot to mention the Spartacus-type bondage gear they intended to carry.

Hopefully the Dafours have learned a couple of lessons here: don't try to sneak a controversial store into Folsom by hiding the ball (so to speak), and Folsom isn't okay with selling hard-core sexual gear on Sutter St.

If you still want to open a nice lingerie store, I'm sure we'll all welcome it.

[pampChefLady]

border... I swear you can read my mind... my sentiments exactly!

Thanks to lovefolsom for the detailed account set forth above.  Thanks also for investing the effort to go check out the store that is the supposed model for the Dafours' store. 

I think lovefolsom's account shows that those of us who have expressed concern are fully justified. 

Reading between the lines, I think it is also obvious that the Dafours hoped they could sneak this store into Folsom without too much scrutiny.  In one of her posts, Misty Dafour stated that the Dafours were pleased that Folsom's adult business ordinance seemed to leave things up to the proprietors' morals and judgment (probably unlike other towns they might try to spring this store on).  The Telegraph states that numerous merchants feel the Dafours were never straight with them about the nature of the store. 

Steve, you met these folks in person and felt they were straight shooters.  But it sounds like they told you about the scented lotions and body paints but somehow forgot to mention the Spartacus-type bondage gear they intended to carry.

Hopefully the Dafours have learned a couple of lessons here:  don't try to sneak a controversial store into Folsom by hiding the ball (so to speak), and Folsom isn't okay with selling hard-core sexual gear on Sutter St. 

If you still want to open a nice lingerie store, I'm sure we'll all welcome it.

[cybertrano]

and thanx bcFan for being a straight shooter. i appreciate that.

Thanks to lovefolsom for the detailed account set forth above.  Thanks also for investing the effort to go check out the store that is the supposed model for the Dafours' store. 

I think lovefolsom's account shows that those of us who have expressed concern are fully justified. 

Reading between the lines, I think it is also obvious that the Dafours hoped they could sneak this store into Folsom without too much scrutiny.  In one of her posts, Misty Dafour stated that the Dafours were pleased that Folsom's adult business ordinance seemed to leave things up to the proprietors' morals and judgment (probably unlike other towns they might try to spring this store on).  The Telegraph states that numerous merchants feel the Dafours were never straight with them about the nature of the store. 

Steve, you met these folks in person and felt they were straight shooters.  But it sounds like they told you about the scented lotions and body paints but somehow forgot to mention the Spartacus-type bondage gear they intended to carry.

Hopefully the Dafours have learned a couple of lessons here:  don't try to sneak a controversial store into Folsom by hiding the ball (so to speak), and Folsom isn't okay with selling hard-core sexual gear on Sutter St. 

If you still want to open a nice lingerie store, I'm sure we'll all welcome it.

[Steve Heard]

I spoke with Mr. Dufour, and he told me it was a mistake to compare his store to Spartacus, because he only meant the front of the store, as he remembers it from his time living there. I must say that after visiting their website, I can understand how some people might have concerns.

As Sam points out, however, there are lots of things that Spartacus carries, that he will not, including pornography. He says a more accurate comparison would be to some of the merchandise available at Evangelines, in Old Sac.

Ms. Teaz will be much smaller than both of those stores, and will have limited shelf space, and he isn't a porn seller, anyway.

As for him retaining a lawyer, he first thought he didn't need one, but is now facing legal action. Doesn't he have the right to legal representation?

The Telegraph says they have signed an ammendment to their lease agreeing not to sell certain items.

They have made public statements about, given interviews about, and even discussed their inventory here, and that's not enough? We want an itemized list?

While waiting for the store to open, so you can stand outside and protest, please take your protest to the liquor store by Sutter Middle School. They DO sell porn, and kids go in there every day to buy candy. While you are at it, protest against the drug sales that go on in Lembi Park.

Those issues are more of a threat to our community than the back room of the lingerie shop.

I applaud the concerned citizens of this town on their willingness to get involved, but let's focus on real issues affecting us every day.

There is rampant drug use among our kids, people are getting killed due to excessive speed on the streets, and development that is outpacing the building of schoolst. Focus focus focus.

[cybertrano]

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[forumreader]

While waiting for the store to open, so you can stand outside and protest, please take your protest to the liquor store by Sutter Middle School.  They DO sell porn, and kids go in there every day to buy candy. While you are at it, protest against the drug sales that go on in Lembi Park.

Those issues are more of a threat to our community than the back room of the lingerie shop.

I applaud the concerned citizens of this town on their willingness to get involved, but let's focus on real issues affecting us every day.

There is rampant drug use among our kids, people are getting killed due to excessive speed on the streets, and development that is outpacing the building of schoolst.  Focus focus focus.

I agree with Steve in that there are numerous issues to address in order to keep our city safe and wholesome. The Sutter St. lingerie shop is just one of many.

[tessieca]

Thanks to LoveFolsom for doing that extensive research. I don't know why Steve wants to defend these new-found friends so much, but the research that LoveFolsom did came directly from the proprietors' business plan and statements. I, too, think maybe they were trying to slip something by unnoticed. I think it would be a mistake to simply leave this up to a proprietor's judgment (because as nice as they may be, maybe they don't have good judgment), nor to promises and trust.

If they are willing to put into writing what sorts of products they will limit their business to, then the residents might be more comfortable. They haven't even been willing to share what those things are! If it would be too shocking to list examples of inventory here or in the paper, then they should not be selling it in a storefront in Folsom.

Orangetj, do you believe everything you read in the Telegraph? Did they really say "mute" instead of "moot"? Never mind. Even if that sentence were added, I am uncertain of the proprietors' definitions of "explicit sex items." Does anyone know if that would include the items of concern raised by LoveFolsom?

[Orangetj]

Orangetj, do you believe everything you read in the Telegraph?  Did they really say "mute" instead of "moot"?  Never mind.  Even if that sentence were added, I am uncertain of the proprietors' definitions of "explicit sex items."  Does anyone know if that would include the items of concern raised by LoveFolsom?

I understand your point about not believing everything one reads, but I guess I'd say I'm at least as likely to believe what I read in the Telegraph as I am to believe the conjecture and unsubstantiated speculation forming many of the posts here.

As far as I can tell, only Stevethedad and Lovefolsom have actually gone out an gathered information on their own, while the rest of us have sat back and let our imaginations run wild.

[Orangetj]

Did they really say "mute" instead of "moot"?  Never mind. 

Yes, they really did. I simply copied and pasted from the article. Obviously it's a typo on the Telegraph's part...unless it's really some kind of conspiracy....

[tessieca]

Too true. I guess some of us feel we have the right to stand up and say things just in case they're true, to avoid that worst case. Maybe call it playing the devil's advocate. Or wait, is that what the Dufours are doing?