502 replies to this topic

[tony]

So you are saying that Tony and other developers stand to pocket 100K each plus a third of $110K and he argues that is not 2M? Well, he's right! Its not. But pretty close to it. 

 

So what do they do for that? Lay a sidewalk down? Throw some random grass seeds in the roadway medians? What do you do with $700k 

She may be saying that, and she may think that spending $700k on the public plaza on the RR block is inappropriate, but as a resident of the HD, I would disagree.

 

For the record, I am not a developer and had nothing to do with any of the jobs under discussion. And none of the money under discussion is going to developers. Maestro is claiming that the public money spent on the plaza is a direct benefit to the developer of the buildings on the RR block, which it may be, but that does not necessarily mean it is inappropriate if it serves the public good. But either way, hat has nothing at all to do with the engineering contracts discussed in the council agenda item. And that's my point.

 

Wow, now it seems that even providing professional services to the city is somehow scandalous, as is resurfacing roads (that's what the $1.1M in mentioned in the subject council item was for), with some fraction of that going for engineering inspection and testing. Would you all prefer that there be no QA/QC on our paving projects, or that we not resurface our roads?

[Rich_T]

You're welcome.

I just watched the League of Women Voters candidate forum. Same candidate also said, "My home number is in the book. If you're the last person on the planet that doesn't have my cell number, it's..." Really? A little self-important and rude? How about not ripping on someone whose vote you are courting? Apparently, I'm the last person on Earth.

Steve Miklos also (IMO) was outright rude, while also exposing his complete lack of knowledge about social media. "For those who don't think we have social media, we do. In addition to on-line (what do you mean by this, Mr Miklos? What is 'on-line?' I think of Vince Vaughn in The Intern and his "on the line"), we have FB and an electronic newsletter (that's not social media). We can't make you read it, we can't force you to participate." How unfriendly and unapproachable of you.

 

I've been reading about Roman history again.  The Big Three Who Won't Go Away are just like the powerful "triumvirate" that ruled for a time in Ancient Rome.  Our triumvirate has an imperial attitude regarding themselves and their subjects, and it comes through at these meetings.  i don't think they consider themselves elected representatives at all.  Term limits would have checked this feeling of power, but we don't have term limits.  (Maybe we can give them Latin names.)

 

i like your "on the line" reference!

 

(And FWIW, reading the newsletter is not "participating" in city affairs.)

[cw68]

 
I've been reading about Roman history again.  The Big Three Who Won't Go Away are just like the powerful "triumvirate" that ruled for a time in Ancient Rome.  Our triumvirate has an imperial attitude regarding themselves and their subjects, and it comes through at these meetings.  i don't think they consider themselves elected representatives at all.  Term limits would have checked this feeling of power, but we don't have term limits.  (Maybe we can give them Latin names.)
 
i like your "on the line" reference!
 
(And FWIW, reading the newsletter is not "participating" in city affairs.)

Right? And an email is not social media either.

I think you are spot on. Andy Morin mentioned that he considers himself a candidate just like the others. I liked that.

I forget exactly where in the LWV recording this was said, but it's near to the end because it was the last candidate answer before closing statements, but check out Sandra Lunceford's response. The question was if you were a challenger, you were to answer as if you were an incumbent and say why incumbency was a good thing; conversely, if you were an incumbent, you were to answer as if you were a challenger and say why it was a negative. Sandra's answer rocked.

[TruthSeeker]

 

Wow, now it seems that even providing professional services to the city is somehow scandalous, as is resurfacing roads (that's what the $1.1M in mentioned in the subject council item was for), with some fraction of that going for engineering inspection and testing. Would you all prefer that there be no QA/QC on our paving projects, or that we not resurface our roads?

 

Why do our roads need to be repaved so often? Why does the repaving crew do such a crappy job repaving the roads, leaving, uneven lumps and grooves in the new asphalt, basically making the road worse then before causing more wear and tear on tires then before? I know it's supposed to be a good thing to get roads re-paved but I wish the crew doing it would do a better job and do it right for once.  If repaving our roads is costing us 1.1 MILLION DOLLARS, we are getting seriously ripped off.  Can some of that money go towards a steam roller instead of the union manager's wallet?

[camay2327]

This was like the dumbest question I have ever heard.  Really??

 

The question was if you were a challenger, you were to answer as if you were an incumbent and say why incumbency was a good thing; conversely, if you were an incumbent, you were to answer as if you were a challenger and say why it was a negative. Sandra's answer rocked.

 

There weren't better questions that could have been asked?

 

I did watch the whole thing.

[cw68]

I believe that we do a slurry, not actually paving. It's cheaper then repaving but is supposed to extend te life of the actual paving.

[4thgenFolsomite]

we have three weeks of this left.  are there any more debates? 

[SCA]

I don't think so. The League of Women Voters forum was the only one that had all seven candidates. You can watch it here.

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=aAQUtx8-Ub0

[Chad Vander Veen]

I don't think so. The League of Women Voters forum was the only one that had all seven candidates. You can watch it here.

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=aAQUtx8-Ub0

Thanks for posting that, was just about to do the same. MyFolsom folks, please share this with your friends and family. Yes it takes an hour to watch but is, I think, a pretty good barometer for where each of the candidates stand. Obviously I hope you'll vote for me but I also want as many people as possible to be able to make an informed choice. So whether you ultimately end up voting for me or not, please invest an hour and watch this. Thanks!

[camay2327]

Thanks for posting that, was just about to do the same. MyFolsom folks, please share this with your friends and family. Yes it takes an hour to watch but is, I think, a pretty good barometer for where each of the candidates stand. Obviously I hope you'll vote for me but I also want as many people as possible to be able to make an informed choice. So whether you ultimately end up voting for me or not, please invest an hour and watch this. Thanks!

 

Chad, you have one of my votes.

[maestro]

 

Chad, you have one of my votes.

 

I tried to watch the LWV forum, but when our incumbents began spewing outright falsehoods, it made me ill.    The public records I had to FIGHT them to obtain DISPROVE their claims.     Unless they swore to tell the truth, those 3 have nothing of interest for me.   If they swore, I'd love to see them prosecuted for all perjuries.

   

  LIARS, LIARS, PANTS ON FIRE.  

 

Kudos to Jennifer Lane.   She's right, if those 3 incumbents are taking their money from South of 50 developers, they have no business calling themselves ethical wonders.

[cw68]

Does anyone know if last week's forum at the church was recorded? I'm trying to figure out what majority Kerri Howell said was needed to make changed to the charter.

[Sandra Lunceford]

I just was just invited to another Candidates Night in the Diamond Glen neighborhoods at the corner of Sibley and Glenn on Saturday, Oct. 18,  at 2 pm.  There may be another one on the 25th, but I am uncertain of the details at this point.  Will keep you informed with details.  I, too, encourage you to view the League of Women Voters discussion to which Chad referred.

[giacomo]

I watched the Q & A session as well and I believe Kerry Howell said it takes 75% to make a change to the charter. 

[maestro]

I watched the Q & A session as well and I believe Kerry Howell said it takes 75% to make a change to the charter. 

ARTICLE VIII. CHARTER AMENDMENT 8.01 Charter Amendment:

Amendments to this Charter shall be approved by a majority of the voters of the City at a regular election as set by state law, but may be framed and proposed:

A.    How Amended. In the manner provided by law by any of:

1.    Ordinance of the City Council containing the full text of the proposed amendment;

2.    A report with specific full text as prepared by a duly elected Charter Commission as created pursuant to state law;

3.    An initiative by the voters of the City.

B.    Amendment Election. If a majority of the registered voters of the City voting upon a proposed Charter amendment vote in favor of it, the amendment shall become effective at the time fixed in the amendment, but if no time is therein fixed, at the time the approved amendment is filed with the Secretary of State by the City Clerk and chaptered by the State. The City Clerk shall file the results of a Charter amendment election with the Secretary of State within 45 days following the election.