380 replies to this topic

[john]

Just my personal opinion...

The gazebo and train are not going anywhere. City Council would have a riot on their hands if they ripped out the very essence that makes Concerts in the Park so much fun. So the library building will be within 40 feet of the gazebo... How is that different from the current baseball fence? I doubt it will be much.

Let's get this thing built already!

[zach5]

Ok, so it will come within 40 ft. , that sounds far from being completely removed.

[Candy Apple]

As usual, waterbaby is just distorting facts and spreading misinformation.

YOU called "the poor railroad engineer" a fool here with your posting.........Mr. Sheldon DID NOT, AND WOULD NOT do that because those two men are friends!!!!

As far as "going along with anything", the "train engineer" is very happy with the plan to EXPAND THE TRAIN, EXPAND THE ZOO, EXPAND THE PARKING, AND EXPAND THE PARK, AND ADD MORE TREES!!!!

As to the trees......two trees were scheduled to come out long BEFORE YOUR PETITION WAS EVER STARTED..........one is diseased, the other is a shallow root eucalyptus which would crush the gazebo if it came down in a high wind, or was hit by one of the unauthorized vehicles which tear up the park lawn.

What does the request for 49 acres for rezoning have to do with the library, the train, the gazebo, the zoo, OR the petition you want people to sign because of the UNTRUTHS THAT ARE BEING TOLD?

IF THIS PETITION GOES ON THE BALLOT...........THE LIBRARY WILL STILL BE BUILT----

BUT IT WILL BE SEVERELY DELAYED AND COST TAXPAYERS MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS MORE.

[waterbaby149]

Candy Apple
Why are these untruths? Have you listened to the Library Commission tapes? And I quote from April 7, 2003 Library Commission meeting excerpt "the train man..extremely agreeable. Of course he always is We know that from our discussions with the train man. He wasn't adverse about relocating somewhere in thepark on the back side jsut to make it --his idea is waht we pointed out that this could...I mean it may not pencil out moneywise...."
Further as to concert in the park
"they do five a year...not like it's 15 a year...if pushc came to shove ..going to another location, a park location"
That's only part of the information
Then go and read the impact report on the trees -
I am tired of the untruths being told by the library commission, parks and rec, cc and u - was that u on Saturday at the Rodeo screaming at the people not to sign the Petition??? Is that the way to act towards people - treat them like stupid idiots and take away their rights
Why are u in particular so afraid of a vote???
Save the Park says if it looses by the VOTE we will back away
it's not a special election - it is on the November ballot???
There is no hidden cost
and why don't u answer TRUTHFULLY why the firehouse is not the library
we get asked that regularly - and we say we don't know
have u ever come up to me and discussed the situation when I am collecting signatures???
don't put words in my mouth - I have never said the Gazebo or the train are going
and as to the 49 acres being rezoned - I live off wales - I received the Notice of Hearing from the City - it says "rezoing of 49 acres"
what does that have to do w/the building of a 24,000 square ft taj majel have to do with anything
who is this monument being built for???
certainly not the citizens of Folsom!!
The size of the blding does not create the library
That is a library for downtown Sac
not here

[waterbaby149]

Zach 5 - get the information from the impact report, library commission tapes, parks and rec tapes, cc meetings, public works commission meetings, or just listen to candy apple - that's an informed opinion NOT

[Steve]

QUOTE (Candy Apple @ Jul 6 2004, 05:50 AM)

IF THIS PETITION GOES ON THE BALLOT...........THE LIBRARY WILL STILL BE BUILT----

Speaking of the petition to put this thing on the ballot this fall ... I noticed the ad that the "Library in the Park" advocates ran in the local section of the Bee last week. The ad encouraged all of the signers of the petition to call the City to have their names removed. This caused me to ponder the question ... "Could people call the City to have their names ADDED to the petition?" .. It seems to me that if it was legal to request names to be removed from the petition AFTER the submission date .. why wouldn't it be legal to call the City to request that names be added to the petition. This all doesn't seem legal to me ... But then again ... the "Library in the Park" advocates have many allies in the City administration!

[ducky]

We were told months ago by a newspaper reporter that this was the tack the library would take to attack our petition. Promoting their plan for the new library just wasn't good enough and so they would accuse us of misinformation. I don't know how much more fair we could be. The only literature I show people is the city newsletter with the picture of the new library. I know that by showing that I am taking the risk that somebody might like the plan and not want to sign but I am not afraid to find that out. Now that we are coming close to having gathered enough signatures to put this to a vote, the 16 active members of the Friends of the Folsom Library (according to Betty Mahan's editorial in the newsletter) are afraid to find out what residents think.

The misinformation is that the gazebo, train, trees, and music in the park are so valuable that the city would never consider touching them. The original plan Mr. Sheldon presented on April 7 placed the library right at the front of the park. Moving the concert in the park was definitely discussed. Perhaps Ms. Kipp will remember, "There's no reason you couldn't have a 'Get to know your Parks,' in reference to moving the concerts. How happy would the train man be to know that he would lose the income from those concerts should they eventually be moved.

On the subject of the train man, how happy would he be to know that it will be more difficult, if not impossible, for him to come up with a parking plan for the expansion he has been talking for years with the parking problem the library will bring to the park.

As for the magical invisible 24,000 square foot building bringing more open space to the park, I'm sorry but I'm not buying that. (I'm sorry I borrowed that from another post further back, but I really liked it.)

As far as trees, one only need look at the city newletter picture to know that trees will come out. The two largest trees have suddenly become diseased as we know all trees do when they get in the way of a building. The tire tracks in the park are from the city vehicles setting up the barbecue for the concert in the park, not from unauthorized vehicles. The city has been overwatering the grass.

All the improvements listed to the park and zoo and softball fields that are being linked to the library project can go forward without a 24,000 square foot building. I question why they are being held hostage with the library project.


Okay, Candyapple. Go ahead and hit your ALL CAPS key.

[waterbaby149]

Steve
thank you for wanting to call to sign - we have till July 20th to turn in the signatures
those of you who have yet to sign and want to -
you can do so at Hanley's Western Wear - the oldest store in Folsom
and
Hair Unlimited
as well as sites around town - Safeway, Trader Joes, Raleys
and the VFW post at 1300 Forrest
we appreciate your support and would be more than happy to show you the information that we have received from the city - just ask
we can also give you the history of the park from our members like Ken Bonham who was very involved in the building the park, or Linville Phillips who installed the lights on the ball field, or would you like to talk to Mike Tise who played ball with Marshall Farley and was at Marshall's funeral.

[ducky]

In case any of you are Folsom Telegraph readers, I would like to correct Ms. Ward's erroneous assumption that we are paid signature gatherers in her recent letter to the editor. We are all unpaid volunteers. I can also assure her that the amount of dedication and sacrifice involved qualifies this effort as more than a whim, and unless Ms. Ward can hold thousands of people in her hand, we can hardly be described as a "handful" wanting to vote on this issue.

[Steve]

As one who believes that because of today's electronic information age and the ability to retrieve, store and print information from home, work and school using the Internet, libraries no longer fullfill the role that they once did. Therefore; I am neutral on the construction of expensive buildings to house books regardless of where they are built. No matter where we each stand on this subject it is unfortunate that this issue has become so divisive in this community. I am afraid that the bitterness caused by this building will be with us well after this building is completed (if it ever is).

[longgone]

How can students do book reports without reading books?

[ducky]

Longgone you have hit the nail on the head. The important part of the library is what is contained within, not where it is placed or having a park-like setting with amusement rides.

Steve, while collecting signatures I have heard many people have similar views to yours about technology negating the need for libraries - much to my dismay. I respect your opinion, but I disagree that we don't need libraries. I just think we can manage to build a new library without sacrificing a park.

[Steve]

QUOTE (ducky @ Jul 7 2004, 05:01 PM)

I respect your opinion, but I disagree that we don't need libraries.

There are plenty of libraries around. I'm not suggesting that we tear down all of the existing libraries. That would both be foolish and wasteful.

Regarding students being able to read books ... schools have libraries and books that are required by teachers are typically purchased. Also ... with the new monitors, electronic notebooks, and other new technology coming available you can read online versions of books.

I am required to complete analysis and research as part of my profession and I can research and retrieve everything I need online using the Internet.

It was interesting to note that one of the Board members of the Library Commission mentioned that he used the Internet to research the Lions Club prior to speaking to the City Council a number of months ago regarding the proposed park location for the library. He didn't use the library!

[Candy Apple]

So---------? Anyone with intelligence uses all/any resources available. Just as anyone with intelligence knows that building a much needed library on city owned land does not destroy a park.

[bordercolliefan]

I don't know how anyone could even suggest that the internet and electronic media obviate the need for libraries.

My 5 year old is a new -- and voracious-- reader. Every week or two, we go to the library and check out 25 children's books. These are children's literature -- fiction -- and as such are not available over the internet. The look of joy and anticipation on my daughter's face as we carry the books home is indescribable. When we get home, she immediately sits down and reads the books over several hours.

It goes without saying that I could not afford to buy books at the pace she reads them.

I think it is one of the greatest things about America that we have made literature and knowledge available to everyone -- regardless of wealth or income-- in almost every city or town in the country. I look forward to the expansion of the Folsom library so that it can continue to support Folsom's growing population.