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[idunno]

Probable Cause... that is whats needed to arrest someone. Sounds to me that the cops had enough evidence and many witnesses to find the probable cause needed. You don't know what is going on with the other cases....did they have witnesses??? Just because one of the officers (who has a minor role in the investigation) knew the lady from years ago, does not mean that they took the kids into custody because of it. FF needs to get off of the conspiracy theory with the police. However I do wonder about a conspiracy theory between the kids involved???? How many kids do you think don't tell the entire story to stay out of trouble??? and know you are throwing a death into it.....FF already said that the boys don't deny breaking the law and speeding....sounds like guilt to me

[Dave Burrell]

Maybe the Folsom PD is much more thorough with their investigation by comparison to the other cities? Plus keep this in mind... those accidents just happened a few days ago - this one is now about a month old and the PD has had more time (by comparison) to investigate.

The note that the Folsom PD has a personal connection with the victim is a serious stretch of the imagination - that has no bearing on the case whatsoever and if indeed that were true, that officer would have been removed from the case.

FF - if you think this is really true then I'd suggest you call the chief and discuss this with him.

I'm sorry but I think its very bizarre to try and claim the boys are in any way innocent, and by trying to compare this to other accidents it seem to further show disregard that a woman lost her life due to their negligence.

Time to deal with reality - they screwed up and someone died because of it.

[CoolBear]

Family Freind,

I am not a lawyer, but your friends are being treated as minors. The other killings involved 18 and 19 year old drivers according to MSNBC. There are big differences in the ways minors are treated compared to adults. I am sure someone who knows juvenile law could tell why your friends are being treated differently.

You keep trying to imply the Folsom police are corrupt in your posts. Be very careful about that one.

[Family Friend]

FF - if you think this is really true then I'd suggest you call the chief and discuss this with him.

Davburr -

That is a good idea.

Is there a form that we can get?

Who do I talk to? I don't think that the police will be very helpful when they see me walk in the door.

What is the process for filing a complaint against the police?

[Orangetj]

driver given 24 days solitary confinement and indefinite house arrest - pending investigation.

Solitary confinement? Really? I believe solitary confinement is when they lock a prisoner in an enclosed room all alone with no windows and no interpersonal interaction. Did they really "throw him in the hole"?

[Dave Burrell]

Davburr -

That is a good idea.

Is there a form that we can get?

Who do I talk to? I don't think that the police will be very helpful when they see me walk in the door.

What is the process for filing a complaint against the police?

no form needed, just pick up a phone and call or go see him in person.

Call Chief Spiegel
City of Folsom Police Department
Sam Spiegel, Chief of Police
46 Natoma Street, Folsom, CA 95630
Phone: (916) 355-7230 Fax: (916) 985-7643

OK, now why would they not be helpful if they saw you walk in? Is there something to worry about with your appearance? Going in with a negative attitude is not going to get you coorperation, treating people negatively never goes over well, especially with police (just a tip).

What kind of complaint are you going to be able to file anyways? It doesn't sound like you have any kind of legitmate complaint other then a rumor.

[Family Friend]

It doesn't sound like you have any kind of legitmate complaint other then a rumor.

davburr,

I have two police officers that told the families this information the night of the accident. It might have been limited to a rumor based on this information.

But, maybe you missed the post where idunno (a friend of the investigators) agreed with me that they were involved.

As of 11:16 AM today the rumor changed to a fact.

Just because one of the officers (who has a minor role in the investigation) knew the lady from years ago, does not mean that they took the kids into custody because of it.

[Dave Burrell]

davburr,

I have two police officers that told the families this information the night of the accident. It might have been limited to a rumor based on this information.

But, maybe you missed the post where idunno (a friend of the investigators) agreed with me that they were involved.

As of 11:16 AM today the rumor changed to a fact.

What kind of professional police officers would spread gossip and leak innappropriate information like that to the family and the public? They do not belong on the force if that were true and should be reprimanded or fired - I'm sorry but I find this all very hard to believe.

idunno's quote states that the officer in question had a minor role in the investigation and that wasn't the reason the boys were taken into custody. The boys negligence killed a person, and they were underage, thats why they were taken into custody....not because someone knew the victim from years before.

Please elaborate about these 11:16am facts - thanks.

[Family Friend]

This was told to me that night by Folsom Police Officer Knudsen and Toschi.

Here are my sources. idunno - who are yours?

[Dave Burrell]

Here are my sources. idunno - who are yours?

what was the 11:16am revelation?

I'm curious how and why you were on the scene with these officers - are you one of the boys' parents or were you a passenger? thats just way too oddly coincidental that you would be on the scene when that accident occurred.

sorry to sound so skeptical but there's just too many pieces missing in this puzzled story.

[idunno]

I think FF does not understand what I said. The kids were taken into custody because of the Probable Cause ie., skid marks, witness statements, kids statments. The fact that one of the officers once knew Mrs. Mcnew has absolutely nothing to do with the arrest. FF is way off base trying to take a complaint to the Chief of Police. If FF is only a friend of the families involved, he/she has no basis to file a complaint....now if FF is MOM/DAD of the involved, who the officers spoke with that night, they could file a complaint. Honestly I think FF is grasping for anything.

[idunno]

I do have a question of Family Friend. What if the CHP report and the video investigation both come back showing the kids were going between 70-80 MPH? What will you say then?


I don't think a DA would file charges just because an officer knew the victim....just my opinion

[Dave Burrell]

I do have a question of Family Friend. What if the CHP report and the video investigation both come back showing the kids were going between 70-80 MPH? What will you say then?
I don't think a DA would file charges just because an officer knew the victim....just my opinion

I agree with your opinion.

I'm still waiting to hear from FF about the 11:16am news today that supposedly turned the fiction into facts

[idunno]

FF- a special unit in the traffic division is investigating the crash. That special unit is called out after the crash has already occurred. The person who once knew the victim was the first patrol officer on the scene. That patrol officer may have taken a statement or two which is a very minimal portion of the investigation. You say that you have all of the reports....what does it say?

[jill z]

Enough is enough! There are only a few people who know EXACTLY what happened the night of the collision. Those people would be the boys involved, Mrs. McNew, and any witnesses who saw the collision including what transpired just prior to the crash. The police have special investigators that are specially trained and I trust that they are just as capable to investigate this as CHP. I believe that the investigators will complete a thorough, unbiased report. When it is time for court, the judge will analyze all the facts--and I mean ALL the facts. The judge will make his/her decision and the case will be over. Unfortunatley, regardless of the outcome, Mrs. McNew lost her life and the McNew family, and friends, lost a loved one. At the same time, the boys are experiencing something that I believe will stay with them forever.

I truely do not believe any of these posts are healthy as they are all simply forms of gossip with varying degrees of truth. I know we all have opinions and we all want answers, but let's allow the court process determine the truth.

What we really need to focus on is how to prevent these types of tragedies from occurring in the future. We need to focus our energy and do something positive. Let us not let the death of Mrs. McNew be for nothing. I've never met any of the parties involved but I understand she was a teacher and every teacher I have ever met in my life builds their lives around making things better through education and experiences. I don't think Mrs. McNew would be any different.

Please, let's stop all this speculation and do something positive. Traffic related deaths seem to be increasing and we, as a society, need to be part of the solution--not part of the problem.

Just food for thought.