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[TM70]

Why isn't it like the private sector. If you really think you are worth more money... then go work in a district that is paying more money. Plain and simple. Is there something you don't understand???

Please end all questions with a question mark there doc... I already explained why leaving FCUSD would be a little tough for me. I would like to make more money, not less. Is that something YOU don't understand? Getting a little personal there doc don't you think? Careful... I know you are just trying to get me all riled up so I say something and get banned. Nice try...

[TM70]

Still no takers on the 4.65% +$100 = 5.25%

[jen]

Unions not telling their members everything...thanks? I never thought of that?

Yes, call the superintendent. If it's such a big deal and the big, bad teachers are doing this then do something about it!!! Talk about whining and griping...geesh...I don't approve of this practice any more than you do, but I am going to wear my green shirt to show solidarity with my fellow teachers.

Don't wait for the principal. Just call Pat Godwin and go to the top. What are you waiting for? Call 355-1100 Ext. 107

Geez, forget asking why you want to personally attack the board. Why the vitriol towards parents? I'm glad I don't have kids in your class!

[DrKoz23]

Please end all questions with a question mark there doc... I already explained why leaving FCUSD would be a little tough for me. I would like to make more money, not less. Is that something YOU don't understand? Getting a little personal there doc don't you think? Careful... I know you are just trying to get me all riled up so I say something and get banned. Nice try...

Not trying to rile you up... just trying to make some points. If it draws a reaction from you... then so be it. I am stating my opinion... and obviously it differs from yours. I know that neither of us is going to convince the other... but we can have fun trying. Can't we? (notice the question mark )

[TM70]

Geez, forget asking why you want to personally attack the board. Why the vitriol towards parents? I'm glad I don't have kids in your class!

See, that's what I have been putting up with for weeks. Nice of you to jump in here at the last second to tell me that. I was attacked within seconds of coming on this board. Withing a few posts I was berated and told I was a greedy, whiny teacher who didn't deserve no stinkin' raise. I have no problem with parents. In fact, this is probably one of the first years I can remember where pretty much EVERY parent is having a positive experience. Usually there are one or two that just don't see eye to eye. Not this year...The parents in my class like me just fine and the students are having a great year. Nice try jen...

What I do have a problem with is when people tell me to leave town when I am perfectly happy here. I just want the district to negotiate fairly. They have not done that. My last little tirade was just a reaction to people calling teachers whiners, when that's basically what they are doing. Now the shoes on the other foot. Those people who continue to post like that are just trying to rile me up.

Listen, you don't know me personally, so take it easy.

O.K. I'm out for today... Yaaawwwwnnnn...

[TM70]

Not trying to rile you up... just trying to make some points. If it draws a reaction from you... then so be it. I am stating my opinion... and obviously it differs from yours. I know that neither of us is going to convince the other... but we can have fun trying. Can't we? (notice the question mark )

OK, one more...

doc, this is the first time I have agreed with you. People on this board are WAAAAYYY too serious. I feel like I'm defending every teacher in Folsom. My flaw I know, but I'm passionate. You cannot know what it is like to be a teacher if you have never been one just like I don't know anything about your job. I'm not professing to know anything about anyone's job other than my own.

Yes, we can agree to disagree, but just take a little of what I am saying to heart, just like I take a little what you all say. I don't agree with it all and I'll tell you what I think just like anyone else. I wouldn't want my kids subjected to teachers talking up negotiations. Personally I don't do it. I can't really go and tell my colleagues to cut that garbage out. As you can see teachers can be very passionate...some drink hemlock you know...

I have not talked about the business with the district with my students. I wear the green shirt to show solidarity. Imagine going to work and not wearing the green shirt while every other teacher is wearing one. Talk about setting yourself.

I'm not attacking anyone personally, your opinions, yes and no.

I don't want to strike, I want this crap to end, I want to think about other things and move on.

[jen]

I'm not attacking anyone personally, your opinions, yes and no.

That would be BS! I call you, TM. I don't know you, but you don't know me either. You attack people and pretend and fool yourself that you are attacking their opinions. You do not fool us. Anyone with whom you disagree is subject to your downright nastiness. I repeat, I am glad my children are not subjected to your obvious hatred of your job and your district. If you hate it here so much, we will all be better off if you just move on.

[Jolene]

I already explained why leaving FCUSD would be a little tough for me. I would like to make more money, not less. Is that something YOU don't understand?

Yes, there is something I don't understand. If your leaving FCUSD would result in you making LESS money, then how is FCUSD at the bottom of the list? (I have a feeling I know what the answer to this question will be. So, this is a somewhat rhetorical question.)

[888]

I agree with ForumReader, cw68, Jen, Jolene, DrKoz23, Tessieca, and mylo.

What the teachers are doing is unethical.

I've held many jobs, janitor, waiter, security, typist, soldier, usher, clerk, etc. In each instance, I left my job for a higher paying job.

One of the great things about America is that if you don't like the pay, you can always search out higher pay elsewhere.

If you can't find a higher paying job elsewhere, well then, that is your full market potential.

Teacher's using their position to brainwash students is nothing new. That existed years ago, exists today and will continue to exist. People often abuse their positions. It's not at all unusual for students to only hear one side of the argument.

Last week when I heard a student talking about the teacher's position, I offered the other side of the argument (as his 2 friends were joining him), and it didn't take the kid long to realize he was being used.

He felt disgusted that his teacher hadn't brought up any of the points that I was bringing up. The kids were livid, furiously clicking away on their phones and ringing up their friends to tell them the other side. I told them to do to the teachers, the same thing the teachers are doing to them - use them. Fake supporting them, and spread the word.

Someone has to educate the kids.

[Fire]

There are no words to adequately express the outrage I feel with the teachers tactics.

[traceyl]

There are no words to adequately express the outrage I feel with the teachers tactics.

I agree. Teacher should not be discussing this is class... no way, no how. One side is being presented and that's not right. I know my daughter's teacher has been involved in protests, etc.. but I also know that he leaves it OUT of the classroom as it should be. Kids have enough to worry about without adding the burden of their teachers' battles.

That said, I obviously do not want the teachers to strike. I understand both sides of the issue and can only hope that it will be resolved to the satisfaction of both sides.

[cw68]

I agree. Teacher should not be discussing this is class... no way, no how. One side is being presented and that's not right. I know my daughter's teacher has been involved in protests, etc.. but I also know that he leaves it OUT of the classroom as it should be. Kids have enough to worry about without adding the burden of their teachers' battles.

That said, I obviously do not want the teachers to strike. I understand both sides of the issue and can only hope that it will be resolved to the satisfaction of both sides.

I don't care if one side, two sides or ten sides are being discussed in class. IMO, it's not appropriate in the least bit. It's like two divorcing parents getting their kids in the middle.

No student should need worry about this during school. They shouldn't be worried about their teacher's salary, their benefit's, their union, etc. If the parent wants to tell them about the situation, that's a different story. For god's sake, just let kids live in a bubble regarding this. Let them think that their teacher loves their job and their student. Period. I would raise a very loud stink if my kid's teachers even mentioned this. If a child asked, I would expect them to say, "please discuss this with your parent(s)" or at the very least, "we can discuss this after school if you'd like, but the classroom isn't the place for this discussion."

TM70, you attack anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with you. Call it your flaw if you want, but you come across very agressively and you are turning people against the teachers. You are doing exactly the opposite of what you are hoping to achieve. Talking about "setting yourself."

Profit, non-profit, whatever. We don't live in a communist state and nobody is making you be a teacher. I'm glad people desire to be teachers. It's a very unique, important and crucial job. But with every job, one has to weigh the good with the bad. Period.

[Vinny]

There are no words to adequately express the outrage I feel with the teachers tactics.

Completely agree. Next time I see the teachers passing out flyers I'm picking one up, photocopying it, printing a rebuttal on the opposite side and start passing them out to all the parents.

[snow]

Teacher's unions went from protecting them in the workplace to nothing more than a way to get another buck. Very disappointed in what I'm seeing here.

[Tree]

This might explain the division in this debate.

http://usatoday.com/...POE=click-refer

Pension gap divides public and private workers
Updated 2/21/2007 2:29 AM ET E-mail | Save | Print | Reprints & Permissions | Subscribe to stories like this Subscribe to stories like this
By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY
Johnnie Nichols, a civilian Defense Department employee, contributes to a federal pension that will let him retire at age 56, after 32 years of service.

His wife, Kimberly, a math teacher at a private business college, has no pension after two decades of teaching and running a horse farm. Their marriage reflects the new world of retirement: government employees who have secure benefits and private workers who increasingly are on their own.

"If we were both in her shoes, we'd be in a world of hurt," says Nichols, 45, an information technology manager in Middletown, Ind. "We wouldn't be able to retire until age 67."

As the first wave of 79 million baby boomers heads to retirement, the nation is dividing into two classes of workers: those who have government benefits and those who don't. The gap is accelerating in every way — pensions, medical benefits, retirement ages.

Retired government workers are twice as likely to get a pension as their counterparts in the private sector, and the typical benefit is far more generous. The nation's 6 million retired civil servants — teachers, police, administrators, laborers — received a median benefit of $17,640 in 2005, according to the Congressional Research Service. Eleven million private-sector retirees covered by traditional pensions got $7,692.