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[folsom500]

His ID on this and 'the other forum' was Idunno.

He was a first responder to the scene but chose to pull over - what happened to be the Kids Father for speeding home from Folsom prison ( as a guard or other)- as one post summarizes it was amazing that a prison guard could get clearance to go home and get to the scene from Folsom Prison to Natoma Station - PRIOR to any medical or police responders.
. He was also the Folsom Police PIO ( public information officer).

He has posted information on several other topics relating to the inside information related to the Car race that killed the teacher as well as on this case and a couple of others- - and he was often seen lambasting those that had first hand information as to the 'their facts were wrong" in this and the other forum..

there were other allegations- which all have been substantiated - which is why after 5 months there is now a formal letter out to the complaintant outlining agreement of the charges. After the initial complaint he was immediately suspended from his POI position- but not sure it that is part of the final judgment and Actions--

He got caught up using the Police internet system as well for his postings via the Library...

We have not heard the final resolution but suffice to say - that the PD has 'sustained ' all allegations against this Motorcycle cop and former PIO....

that is it for now - now back to your regular programing ....

Cheers
F500

[Chad Vander Veen]

I'm not sure I understand what the controversy is.

[Terry]

His ID on this and 'the other forum' was Idunno.
He was a first responder to the scene but chose to pull over - what happened to be the Kids Father for speeding home from Folsom prison ( as a guard or other)- as one post summarizes it was amazing that a prison guard could get clearance to go home and get to the scene from Folsom Prison to Natoma Station - PRIOR to any medical or police responders.
. He was also the Folsom Police PIO ( public information officer).

He has posted information on several other topics relating to the inside information related to the Car race that killed the teacher as well as on this case and a couple of others- - and he was often seen lambasting those that had first hand information as to the 'their facts were wrong" in this and the other forum..

there were other allegations- which all have been substantiated - which is why after 5 months there is now a formal letter out to the complaintant outlining agreement of the charges. After the initial complaint he was immediately suspended from his POI position- but not sure it that is part of the final judgment and Actions--

He got caught up using the Police internet system as well for his postings via the Library...

We have not heard the final resolution but suffice to say - that the PD has 'sustained ' all allegations against this Motorcycle cop and former PIO....

that is it for now - now back to your regular programing ....

Cheers
F500

Assuming the information is true, how is that you were able to find out what amounts to confidential personnel information regarding this officer? Someone leaking information to you? Better be careful, I think you have some liability issues for obtaining personnel information and then for posting it here.

[folsom500]

Assuming the information is true, how is that you were able to find out what amounts to confidential personnel information regarding this officer? Someone leaking information to you? Better be careful, I think you have some liability issues for obtaining personnel information and then for posting it here.

Terry no issue- this is NOW public information-

Cheers
F500

[sat]

Assuming the information is true, how is that you were able to find out what amounts to confidential personnel information regarding this officer? Someone leaking information to you? Better be careful, I think you have some liability issues for obtaining personnel information and then for posting it here.

I also wondered how anyone knew for sure which, if any, officer was "I Dunno". So a police and library computer were used...that could any number of people, right? Also, who filed the citizen's complaint? I would think the only people who had that right, who could have been personally offended by the police in this case, would be Andre's parents.

[Steve Heard]

I also wondered how anyone knew for sure which, if any, officer was "I Dunno". So a police and library computer were used...that could any number of people, right? Also, who filed the citizen's complaint? I would think the only people who had that right, who could have been personally offended by the police in this case, would be Andre's parents.

In the days after Andre's death, there was lots of speculation as to how and why it happened. We heard everything from skinheads lynching kids to suicide. There were accusations of police incompetence, conspiracies, and worse.

To my knowledge and recollection, idunno got involved by giving out some explanations and facts about the case. I think he was trying to make things better, but there were too many emotions involved, and things got out of control.

[folsom500]

I also wondered how anyone knew for sure which, if any, officer was "I Dunno". So a police and library computer were used...that could any number of people, right? Also, who filed the citizen's complaint? I would think the only people who had that right, who could have been personally offended by the police in this case, would be Andre's parents.

NO it was not Andre's parents - and I will leave it at that - it was clear and has been substantiated that Idunno was in fact an officer in FPD and also its PIO-- and the first responder--

It was Idunno's tackless posts on this and the 'other' forum- that led some to find out more of his ISP and post locations and then a direct call which substantiated that it was indeed this officer..

Enough said for now


Cheers
F500

[tessieca]

Obviously it was Folsom500 or one of his friends who made the citizen's complaint. Otherwise, how does he get the response from Chief that he did? Anyone can make a complaint against a public servant. You don't have to have standing other than being a member of the community that is to be served.

[Duke]

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Enough said for now

Cheers
F500

Enough said, period. It sounds as if the police administration has handled it.

[folsombound]

Obviously it was Folsom500 or one of his friends who made the citizen's complaint. Otherwise, how does he get the response from Chief that he did? Anyone can make a complaint against a public servant. You don't have to have standing other than being a member of the community that is to be served.

I re-read the Idunno posts and he was trying to let people know what really happened and counter the wild rumors and claims that were being spread by others and he got in trouble. Too bad! It's also too bad that this subject can't be laid to rest.

[snutey]

It is nice to see people like Steve, Tess, Folsombound, Duke and many others sift through the garbage that Folsom 500 is trying to throw at the FPD officer. I also read what Idunno posted and found nothing but calming facts. If there is a complaint to be made it should be towards 500 and his pal Farley for causing concern and fear through the community. It is unfortunate that Folsom 500 is again spreading mis-information. Enough is enough.

[Redone]

NO it was not Andre's parents - and I will leave it at that - it was clear and has been substantiated that Idunno was in fact an officer in FPD and also its PIO-- and the first responder--

It was Idunno's tackless posts on this and the 'other' forum- that led some to find out more of his ISP and post locations and then a direct call which substantiated that it was indeed this officer..

Enough said for now
Cheers
F500

I'd choose him over you anyday.......
Don't you have some ISP's to check over on your site ?????????

[randb]

Ken you have no idea what is in the officer's personnel file. You received a form letter from the department. I have spoken with several people in the department including the officer (we spoke earlier today) and many of the things you state here are simply incorrect. If I were the officer I would go after you for defamation because you state facts that can easily be shown false and you used the officer's name. I would suggest you let it drop.

[Robert Giacometti]

It is nice to see people like Steve, Tess, Folsombound, Duke and many others sift through the garbage that Folsom 500 is trying to throw at the FPD officer. I also read what Idunno posted and found nothing but calming facts. If there is a complaint to be made it should be towards 500 and his pal Farley for causing concern and fear through the community. It is unfortunate that Folsom 500 is again spreading mis-information. Enough is enough.

People, remember what Rodney King said, "Can't we all just get along."

Folsom 500 or anyone has the right to file a complaint against an officer if they feel there was inappropriate actions or conduct. We may NOT agree that there was, but then again NONE of us knows every single word or actions that occurred during this tragedy. So some may like a certain person and find it hard to believe they would ever act in a manner that was inappropriate, but the complaint process would be a remedy for anyone who feels otherwise.

None of us should be choosing sides based on who we like or dislike, but instead making informed choices based upon the facts.

Personally, I felt that overall the police did a good job in what was going to be a no win situation. They had to balance reassuring the community that this was an accident against exposing too many details to try and protect the privacy of the deceased and family.( Again, I was not there, so I don't know all the details) .

I felt the police did not do such a good regarding the accident involving the teenagers, as there was a statement made something to the effect, that it was the police officer's opinion the boys were more worried about removing the stereo than they were about the condition of the victim. This was an inflamatory opinion, not a statement of fact.

Given the Police & Fire have a thankless job and have to deal with things most of us never want to see or think about, its probably best that we are a little foregiving when it comes to responses after an emotional tragedy. This may be why it should be the PIO and not the investigating officer to be giving out the statements.

If an officer, any public official or public employee tries to control information or manipulate a situation beyond its factual reality that is when complaints should be filed and investigations should occur. When this happens the public isn't being served, its being controlled and that is always wrong!

[jafount]

You know what? That's a typical jerkoff reaction. I'd like to know how it feels to be a jerk who purposely tries to ruin someone's career? Law enforcement is one of very few careers where someone complaining about your service can destroy a life of work. What was truly accomplished other than some bogus self serving need to be captain do-gooder and mess with a guy with whom you had no PERSONAL contact?

PS I have a hard time believing a motor officer, who should be assigned to traffic would have been beat responsible and assigned to a potential dead body call. The fact that he stopped the father clearly demonstrates that he WAS doing his job. Was he supposed to have known this vehicle belonged to the victims father? Crystal ball? Anyone?

Finally...I wouldn't expect much more from a department the size of Folsom. Of COURSE the investigation was sustained. The do-gooder pain in the a$$ citizens would have the cheif's head on a platter otherwise. Such is the problem with small departments. UGH.