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#346 tony

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 11:29 PM

 

Tony, you are a great advocate for cyclists.   I applaud you for it, but I must chime in.  You are a man and you don't face the same challenges a woman or young girl does riding alone or even walking alone.   I jog, and I have to say when the time change comes it is pretty dark out there.  I was thinking to myself how creepy it was and how I was violating all my training to not be in the wrong place at the wrong time alone when I pass this poor girl all of 90 pounds wet making her way to what I assume is FHS for a zero period class.  She looked scared out of her wits.  Maybe her parents had no choice.  Riding in the dark is a dangerous proposition, flashy lights or not.  There are many homeless in our neighborhood and not all of them are nice people.  No way I'm letting my child make his or her own way to school if I'm leaving anyway on my way to work and can drop her off, especially in inclement weather.

 

My child walked to Sutter Middle, but even in crosswalks and with staff waiving a sign people would drive on through, most talking on their cellphones, without stopping for the students crossing.  What we need are better crossings in that area and it doesn't take millions of dollars to do that.  Most of the children I see riding bikes are on Riley and on the sidewalk, the way I would want my child to ride regardless of what is considered the "correct" way.  I have absolutely no problem stepping off the sidewalk so a child or even adult can ride by because I can see the oncoming traffic and they can't.

 

Thanks, ducky, and yes, I am guilty of being a man.

 

Just one question for you: what's by far the most dangerous thing our children (over age 4) do on a regular basis? Yep, ride in the car with their parents. According to statistics from the CDC (as presented by SafeKids.org), the number one cause of unintentional injury death (that excludes illness) to children between 4 and 19 years of age (and number 2 for kids 4 and under after drowning and suffocation) is riding in a motor vehicle. Getting hit by one as a pedestrian is a distant sixth place -- and that includes the rising number of small children being killed in their driveways by their parents large SUVs, thankfully a cause that should start declining with the proliferation of backing cameras -- followed only by burns and bicycling of the eight causes they report.  A child in the US is approximately 20 times more likely to be killed as a passenger in a car than while riding their bike.  And suburban areas such as Folsom are the most dangerous because of the high speed roads (people rarely die in collisions at 35 mph, but they do at 50 or 60 mph).

 

There are a thousand "reasons" -- too hot, too cold, too hilly, too far, too humid, too rainy, too dark, too female, too dangerous, too scary, too slow, too heavy, too uncool, too many kids, too few kids, too two-wheeled, too tired -- why people "can't" walk or bike for transportation, yet, from rainy Portland, to hilly San Francisco, to freezing Montreal, to drizzly Copenhagen, to left-wing Davis, to right wing...hmmm, still working on an example for that one...to traffic-snarled New York, people do it in far larger percentages than they do right here in bike-friendly Folsom.  (OK, so, it's hard to come up with a good example of a very conservative city where bicycling is a big part of the culture (although that could be because most big cities tend to lean left)). Why? Why in a city that touts its 40 miles of bike paths, where the developers advertise housing developments with pictures of families on bikes, where with a little creativity, you can get almost anywhere in town with a 5-year-old (OK, maybe 7) on a bike....why have so few people discovered the health benefits, the frugality, the sense of adventure, the pure joy of starting and ending their work day with a pleasant bike ride, or of riding or walking to school with their children, teaching them to be safe and confident in their world along the way, or riding to soccer practice or a baseball game, or to Dos Coyotes or Dominics for lunch or dinner?  Hey, I just don't want y'all to miss out on all the fun!

 

So, I'll close this advocacy rant with a punny little joke told to my wife and I by a young boy in Guyman,OK where we stopped (specifically because we had been told by an eastbound cyclist we had met days earlier that we had to meet this boy and hear his bike jokes) for a respite from the incessant 30 mph cross winds at the general store that he and his slightly older sister were minding. Says the 7-year-old boy, "Why are bicycles slower than cars?"  "I don't know, why are bicycles slower than cars?", says the 30-something bike tourist who's just happy that he can actually keep his bike moving in the wind this day.  "Because they are two tired!", dead-pans the young boy.

 

Now, back to your regularly-scheduled politics...



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Posted 15 October 2014 - 11:47 PM

How about rather than spend $12-$15 million on another parking structure (that's what the city just approved for one on Trader's Lane) we spend a small fraction of that on improving the bicycle and pedestrian facilities leading to the school, and then put some effort into encouraging kids to walk and bike to school?  Nearly 25% of morning commute traffic is parents driving their kids to school, and for Sutter Middle School, easily half of those kids live within 2 miles of school, a long walk or a very easy bike ride. Nearly every morning, as my kids and I bicycle past Sutter (and then Theodore Judah) we are passed by a neighbor driving her middle school child 4 blocks down Persifer Street to Sutter, and often by another driving their child less than two blocks to Theodore Judah. And we wonder why we have an obesity problem in this country!

Whereas that may be appropriate for some parts of the town, many of the students have to travel from the other side of the bridge. Frankly, they shouldnt have to ride a bike that far. 35 teenagers in a classroom that have had pe at some point in the day is bad enough. The odor would be awful if they all smelled like 10 milers and PE



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Posted 16 October 2014 - 06:01 AM

 

Thanks, ducky, and yes, I am guilty of being a man.

 

Just one question for you: what's by far the most dangerous thing our children (over age 4) do on a regular basis? Yep, ride in the car with their parents. According to statistics from the CDC (as presented by SafeKids.org), the number one cause of unintentional injury death (that excludes illness) to children between 4 and 19 years of age (and number 2 for kids 4 and under after drowning and suffocation) is riding in a motor vehicle. Getting hit by one as a pedestrian is a distant sixth place -- and that includes the rising number of small children being killed in their driveways by their parents large SUVs, thankfully a cause that should start declining with the proliferation of backing cameras -- followed only by burns and bicycling of the eight causes they report.  A child in the US is approximately 20 times more likely to be killed as a passenger in a car than while riding their bike.  And suburban areas such as Folsom are the most dangerous because of the high speed roads (people rarely die in collisions at 35 mph, but they do at 50 or 60 mph).

 

There are a thousand "reasons" -- too hot, too cold, too hilly, too far, too humid, too rainy, too dark, too female, too dangerous, too scary, too slow, too heavy, too uncool, too many kids, too few kids, too two-wheeled, too tired -- why people "can't" walk or bike for transportation, yet, from rainy Portland, to hilly San Francisco, to freezing Montreal, to drizzly Copenhagen, to left-wing Davis, to right wing...hmmm, still working on an example for that one...to traffic-snarled New York, people do it in far larger percentages than they do right here in bike-friendly Folsom.  (OK, so, it's hard to come up with a good example of a very conservative city where bicycling is a big part of the culture (although that could be because most big cities tend to lean left)). Why? Why in a city that touts its 40 miles of bike paths, where the developers advertise housing developments with pictures of families on bikes, where with a little creativity, you can get almost anywhere in town with a 5-year-old (OK, maybe 7) on a bike....why have so few people discovered the health benefits, the frugality, the sense of adventure, the pure joy of starting and ending their work day with a pleasant bike ride, or of riding or walking to school with their children, teaching them to be safe and confident in their world along the way, or riding to soccer practice or a baseball game, or to Dos Coyotes or Dominics for lunch or dinner?  Hey, I just don't want y'all to miss out on all the fun!

 

So, I'll close this advocacy rant with a punny little joke told to my wife and I by a young boy in Guyman,OK where we stopped (specifically because we had been told by an eastbound cyclist we had met days earlier that we had to meet this boy and hear his bike jokes) for a respite from the incessant 30 mph cross winds at the general store that he and his slightly older sister were minding. Says the 7-year-old boy, "Why are bicycles slower than cars?"  "I don't know, why are bicycles slower than cars?", says the 30-something bike tourist who's just happy that he can actually keep his bike moving in the wind this day.  "Because they are two tired!", dead-pans the young boy.

 

Now, back to your regularly-scheduled politics...

 

The CDC also says that bicyclists face a higher risk of crash-related injury & deaths than occupants of motor vehicles do.  While women have other dangers not related to riding a bicycle, I stand corrected.  It says males are much more likely than females to be killed or injured on bicycles.  We can throw statistics around all day, or perhaps we should show them to the woman in the silver minivan in town who thinks the bike lane is some sort of extra lane.

 

Tony, I notice all those cities you list rarely, if ever, get over a hundred degrees.  Okay. New York gets humid, but it also has more public transit.  As supermom noted above, there is no way I can arrive at work smelling like or looking like what would happen after riding for miles in the heat.  I don't work at a fixed location nor ones that have shower facilities.

 

I'll add to those reasons for not riding a bike that some people just don't enjoy it.  I like riding the trails in a recreational way, but I don't like the bike lanes and would rather walk to run errands. The older I get the less I've been riding and it has nothing to do with obesity.  Cycling is not a one-size-fits-all solution.  Public transit is something that fits for young or old.  I'm not saying I think a parking lot is the best solution, but I do think something needs to be done to make the crossings safer and there needs to be a better way for the school buses and parents to pick up and drop off students.

So now I'll try and tie this back into the regularly scheduled politics and say that's why I like Chad's ideas.



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Posted 16 October 2014 - 12:15 PM

Ducky, Supermom,

 

Tony is a prime beneficiary of city contracts given to his firm.     Please bring the discussion back to the reelection of new candidates.    His interest lies solely in de-railing topics to miniscule details which he can obscure --   detracting from the real issues.

 

 

Here's a real issue:  the Bee endorsement of Howell and Morin --  the Bee seems to be peddling the notion that developing

SIX THOUSAND ACRES   south of 50   is going to happen.    They even made light of Jennifer Lane's suggestion that

WATER MUST COME FIRST --   DEVELOPERS CAN  TAKE A HIKE.

 

Good for you, Jennifer Lane.     You concept is simple:   WATER before  PRIVATE GREED/GAIN.

 

The city DOES NOT have 34,000 acre feet of "pre 1914 water rights."    That is BS because we are in a drought and there may be FURTHER REDUCTIONS from the city's   "multi-year drought allotment of  17,000 acre feet"    The existing city will have to cut water usage by at least 50%   (from our wet-years allotment) if this drought continues this winter.     So where does this 6,000 new acreage of city get water?   From a rock?

 



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Posted 16 October 2014 - 12:23 PM

Ducky, Supermom,
 
Tony is a prime beneficiary of city contracts given to his firm.     Please bring the discussion back to the reelection of new candidates.    His interest lies solely in de-railing topics to miniscule details which he can obscure --   detracting from the real issues.
 
 


How rude. And, inaccurate. Tony is obsessed with bike/ped issues, which makes him pretty much a one-topic poster. He is not part of the establishment just because he questions and/or disagrees with you (who is equally guilty of derailing to minuscule details) and happens to be an engineer.

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 12:40 PM

How rude. And, inaccurate. Tony is obsessed with bike/ped issues, which makes him pretty much a one-topic poster. He is not part of the establishment just because he questions and/or disagrees with you (who is equally guilty of derailing to minuscule details) and happens to be an engineer.

 

Just because you were both on the "traffic safety" group......

You are really big on OPINIONs and never seem bothered with facts or public records.

 

It is precisely because a CA Licensed Engineer is sworn to enforce all laws -- as a condition of having a license -- that Tony should behave to a higher standard than a layman.      This is a topic about  getting some NEW BLOOD,  not distracting people from the issues with unrelated minutiae.

 

Get a grip....



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Posted 16 October 2014 - 12:55 PM

Sorry I got in on this. I have learned to respect Tony's passion for all things bike related. I may not agree with them, be he always treats me with respect when we are discussing something bike related. Others on this chat site do not.

 

As far as Tony's business involvement in the city goes-- I didn't know. Now that I do, I might better understand certain things he brings up and give his position more credence.  Why? Because he has always treated with that type of respect.

 

I gotta say, though...anyone who works contracts with the city by day and has a passionate lifestyle (see? I said lifestyle. I am trying to respect bikers more :)   ) dependent on the cities upkeep and such- I would prolly now view his ideas related to road work differently.

 

 

gah-- I didn't verbalize what I am thinking well. sorry. I am distracted by a giant spider crawling up the water spout... Who ever added that fable to Halloween decorations?



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Posted 16 October 2014 - 01:18 PM

Ducky, Supermom,

 

Tony is a prime beneficiary of city contracts given to his firm.     Please bring the discussion back to the reelection of new candidates.    His interest lies solely in de-railing topics to miniscule details which he can obscure --   detracting from the real issues.

 

 

Here's a real issue:  the Bee endorsement of Howell and Morin --  the Bee seems to be peddling the notion that developing

SIX THOUSAND ACRES   south of 50   is going to happen.    They even made light of Jennifer Lane's suggestion that

WATER MUST COME FIRST --   DEVELOPERS CAN  TAKE A HIKE.

 

Good for you, Jennifer Lane.     You concept is simple:   WATER before  PRIVATE GREED/GAIN.

 

The city DOES NOT have 34,000 acre feet of "pre 1914 water rights."    That is BS because we are in a drought and there may be FURTHER REDUCTIONS from the city's   "multi-year drought allotment of  17,000 acre feet"    The existing city will have to cut water usage by at least 50%   (from our wet-years allotment) if this drought continues this winter.     So where does this 6,000 new acreage of city get water?   From a rock?

 

 

You know, I do apologize for going off on a tangent, but how candidates view new projects and their willingness to work with both residents as well as existing businesses is important.  If their view is just move if you don't like the impacts of a new project, well, I'll take that into account when voting.  I can't afford to move to a gated community.

 

Also, I don't think Tony has any agenda other than being passionate about cycling.  I admire him for it even though we don't always agree.



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Posted 16 October 2014 - 01:34 PM

 
Just because you were both on the "traffic safety" group......
You are really big on OPINIONs and never seem bothered with facts or public records.
 
It is precisely because a CA Licensed Engineer is sworn to enforce all laws -- as a condition of having a license -- that Tony should behave to a higher standard than a layman.      This is a topic about  getting some NEW BLOOD,  not distracting people from the issues with unrelated minutiae.
 
Get a grip....


My interactions with Tony go far beyond the Traffic Safety Committee and have all been bike/ped related because, guess what? That's his (fifth) baby.

I base my opinions on fact, but don't feel the need to shove them down people's throats with a good dose of vinegar and get mad at them when they disagree and/or don't act upon them with matched hysterics.

IMHO, we need new blood on the city council because we need more than one obsession (development/developers) and we need council representatives who aren't condecending and rude and who think they know better than everyone else.

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 05:53 PM

You here that laughter?

 

It's the land speculators, incumbent snakes and Chamber of Commerce laughing their heads off at this forum. While they have banded together, pooled their resources, running the lying snakes (proven, not opinion) as one slate, we sit here and take shots at each other and runoff on side topic minutiae.

 

What the h___ does it take to band a grassroots effort together in this town?

 

Sorry for the pissy attitude, but I just got a large glossy (pricy) mailer for the three incumbent snakes. According to the mailer:

  • Moran, a water expert, has skill that is invaluable to address current and future water needs!
    • Truth - a hydrologist evaluates flowing water such as storms etc. Regarding water sources and water demands, he is no expert. If he were, it would be grounds to revoke any license he has. How can you vote against the best interest of the residents of your own City by giving away our water to south of 50 and putting us in a permanent state of drought?
  • Howell, engineering expert? Works to reduce traffic? You got to be kidding?
    • The traffic congestion reports for south of 50 (in the Environmental documents) show we will have grid lock throughout the City when south of 50 is developed. Think of how dense the traffic is now and add 35% more. There is a tipping point where traffic turns fro bad to unmanageable - this will be it. If you think they will somehow "mitigate" this, forget it. Also, highway 50 was supposed to have two (2) more lanes in EACH direction to handle south of 50 growth. Howell, our "engineering expert" has approved this to go through with ZERO additional lanes.
  •  Miklos, real estate agent / business location expert?
    • I guess he is. Although not for Folsom. He must be collecting his relocation commissions from those he chased out of the city like Waste Management

 

So, you all seem to be educated regarding the shortfalls of our incumbents.

You all seem to support the challengers.

You all seem to have at least some extra time on your hands.

And you all seem to want to take back your city from the snakes.

 

But what have you actually done about it?

 

We are at the end of the rope here. Either we pull together and ACTIVLY support he challengers or continue to here that laughter in the background.

 

Sandy, Roger, Chad and Jenifer - Please reach out to each other. In two weeks, with a consorted effort on social media, you do stand a chance. I am sure that you are each surrounded by a feel good group telling you each you will win, that's great but the fact is,

  • you are way out signed, out spent, and will be far out gunned regarding mailers.
  • the vast majority of residents do not know you
  • the vast majority of residents have no clue as to what the snakes are doing, how they have lied, how they are damaging our future. Unser their continued control of south of 50 development, our town will suffer economically, worse smog, far worse traffic, inadequate water supply, etc.

 

Once again, please Save ouR City



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Posted 17 October 2014 - 07:18 AM

As usual, Phoenix has great ideas.    Social media outreach is important.    New candidates bonding is important.

 

Today's Bee has an article on page One of Our Region by Brad Branan.    The incumbents are named TEN Times.   Miklos alone  SIX times touting b.s.     Jennifer Lane - Six mentions, but many were to downplay her positions.    The other candidates got ONE mention each.      The Bee coverage praising  HD council actions and the bridge/trail  smell of Holderness because of his positions in the city and employment by a huge landowner.

 

What is not mentioned about these incumbents: 

  •  1.   SACOG has  withdrawn  $ 3 million it promised for the trail because of improper actions, such as total failure to engineer and do CEQA compliance for a tunnel and bridge, encroachments on federal & state open lands, and much more.
  •  2.  The HD garage and on-street lite rail parking are mostly empty because outsiders are smart enough to avoid the city except when the council permits a public 'street alcohol and noise binge'   -- which is aimed at outsiders and hurts residents.
  •  3.  over two dozen alcohol sales licenses in a several block area is dangerous and unprecedented.
  •  4.  the sewage system still relies upon 1992 very small pipes in the HD, so the painting and expensive rocks are a drawback not a blessing.    Bee has testimony to prove this council is worthless in complying with safety laws.
  •  5.  city sewage system is under investigation by the State Water board which guards water quality -- the highest level except to send it to the CA Attorney General next.
  •  6-12.   Construction projects shut down since August 2014:    Woodside Homes, the Commons of Folsom, and sewer "improvement" projects.       Much more.......   like the string of bogus ordinances, and Ernie Sheldon warning you the number of FPA HOMES is NOT the small number the Bee continues to mention on the Tsakopolous lands (ignoring the Easton/Aerojet lands.)

 

GRASS ROOTS is great and I support it.    My contribution is to offer a seminar for the incumbents and their campaign advisors, at which they can view some critical evidence.     Maybe being together would help organize thoughts.   

 

This is an invitation to have a meeting, which could lead to some public meetings which could involve children, families, and an outdoor site.    Let's at least fire back at the newspaper which is hell-bound to help get FPA and all 6,000 acres south of 50 developed -- even if Sacramento residents lose much water to FPA, and what water they get is loaded with Folsom sewage.    

 

CAN WE  MEET & TALK ???

 



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Posted 17 October 2014 - 11:21 AM

I have a couple of questions:

Is there another debate scheduled or a meet and greet forum to ask questions of the incumbents and candidates?

If so, are the new candidates willing to address these issues, discussed in this forum, with the incumbents?

If so, how would the candidates weave these issues into an agenda so they can be debated with the incumbents?

How would the Folsom residents be notified to attend the event, or become aware of the findings?

I'm wondering if the incumbents would show up for such an event?



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Posted 17 October 2014 - 01:02 PM

I have a couple of questions:

Is there another debate scheduled or a meet and greet forum to ask questions of the incumbents and candidates?

If so, are the new candidates willing to address these issues, discussed in this forum, with the incumbents?

If so, how would the candidates weave these issues into an agenda so they can be debated with the incumbents?

How would the Folsom residents be notified to attend the event, or become aware of the findings?

I'm wondering if the incumbents would show up for such an event?

 

Ron, these incumbent candidates actions (with regard to WATER QUALITY)  are under investigation RIGHT NOW.     Howell even told the Bee reporter she is sure the council did not violate Measure W in giving away our water secretly.     Miklos uses the attack routine, and Morin uses the innocent routine.    Howell uses the howling routine.     

 

Even if you bombarded them with Public Records Requests, you wouldn't get answers.   Example:   for over a year I have been asking for the Sewer Improvement Engineered Drawings for three developments this council approved.     1.  The FPA drawings -- none, except the pipe we are paying for on this side of 50.   2.  Woodside Homes project on Parkshore --  that one just got shut down and has gone away.   3.   D&S "multi'use" project at the river --   the council approved a law -- Ordinance 1210 -- approving this abomination -- but they don't have any sewer drawings at all.     In fact, the city finally gave up -- instead of Approved Engineering Drawings, the City Clerk sent me the 22 page City Charter.   It's their way of saying a charter city can make up all its own rules and taxes.     

 

You don't have to give your name if you file a complaint with your favorite federal agency or US Representative.     That is an alternative which might make us look like very squeaky wheels ---   lots and lots of them -- just wanting a little justice and safety (and our water).

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 05:48 PM

I just heard on TV that the 18-24 age group has a very low percentage of people that have registered to vote. They only

have a few days to do so. You new people running for Folsom City Council should get a bunch of people in that age

group together and talk to them. Get them registered and get them to vote.

 

I don't know if there is time but try... It will be a group that doesn't normally vote...


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Posted 18 October 2014 - 03:32 PM

I just heard on TV that the 18-24 age group has a very low percentage of people that have registered to vote. They only

have a few days to do so. You new people running for Folsom City Council should get a bunch of people in that age

group together and talk to them. Get them registered and get them to vote.

 

I don't know if there is time but try... It will be a group that doesn't normally vote...

 

That's a great idea, Camay.






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