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[Steve Heard]

Hmmmm ... And who are those people???? ... Let me see if I can guess ... those people like you in the real estate and mortgage broker business? ...

Sure, it's people in the real estate and mortgage biz. Is that wrong? More homes being bought and sold might be good for me, but isn't that good for everybody? I'll never force anyone to buy, sell or finance through me. They do so because they trust me.

Should restaurant owners, retailers, real estate agents, food service workers, waiters, bartenders, bar owners, and parking attendents would also profit from an new arena being built.

Should we vote against the tax based on that assumption?

Don't forget, as Jafount put it, "maybe it's people who like to have shopping, entertainment and cultural options near where they live?"

[cw68]

Sure, it's people in the real estate and mortgage biz. Is that wrong? More homes being bought and sold might be good for me, but isn't that good for everybody? I'll never force anyone to buy, sell or finance through me. They do so because they trust me.

Should restaurant owners, retailers, real estate agents, food service workers, waiters, bartenders, bar owners, and parking attendents would also profit from an new arena being built.

Should we vote against the tax based on that assumption?

Don't forget, as Jafount put it, "maybe it's people who like to have shopping, entertainment and cultural options near where they live?"

Or even people themselves who wouldn't mind having their property be worth more... partly because of the cultural options in their region.

[camay2327]

http://www.sacbee.co...-15185819c.html

At a loss
The Maloofs' racehorse is a champ at finishing second -- and you can't blame Kobe
By Debbie Arrington -- Bee Staff Writer

Published 12:01 am PDT Wednesday, August 23, 2006

King Palm is the perfect racehorse for perennial bachelors Joe and Gavin Maloof. King Palm is a perennial bridesmaid.

The 5-year-old colt has finished second in nine consecutive races, setting what many racing experts believe is a record for close-but-no-Cigar futility.

"It's hilarious," Gavin Maloof said. "It's the only time I've ever been happy about finishing second in my life. Everybody into racing knows our horse.

"He's got a cult following."

Ripley's Believe It or Not and Guinness World Records have contacted the Maloofs, who named the horse after the Sacramento Kings and the Las Vegas hotel and casino owned by their family.

King Palm started his career with a sixth place and a third in 2004 before reeling off the seconds, all against top-class thoroughbreds on Southern California's major racing circuit. In his most recent start, Aug. 16 at Del Mar near San Diego, he rallied from last to finish second for the sixth time this year.

He has won about $100,000 without ever reaching the winner's circle -- and may run again before the end of the meet Sept. 6.

Vladimir Cerin, King Palm's trainer, said he is perplexed by the streak. He's never seen anything like it in his 27 years of training thoroughbreds.

"It's actually easier to win nine in a row -- if you have a really good horse -- than finish second nine times like that," Cerin said. "You have to beat everybody else except one horse each race. We're trying to win every time, but something always seems to happen."

The Maloofs say they've run out of excuses and are now enjoying the ride.

"We blamed the jockeys, bad starts, you name it," Joe Maloof said. "It's just crazy. It's an incredible story. He's beating 99 percent of his competition."

Added Gavin Maloof: "What are we going to do? You can't bench a horse. You can't fine him."

Racehorses can learn bad habits or develop a fear of the finish line, but Cerin said he doubts that is King Palm's problem. "He really wants to win," the trainer said. "He tries very hard every time."

The colt may be distracted by hormones. "He's very aggressive, and he likes to nip you," Cerin said. "He's just being playful, but a lot of humans have been tattooed by King Palm."

A solution to his runner-upitis could be castration. Geldings tend to be more focused on business than stallions. But the cut would be difficult for the Maloofs, who are favorites on the Las Vegas party circuit and have cultivated a reputation for reveling in their bachelorhood.

"We can't do that to him," Joe Maloof said. "I sure wouldn't want it done to me. We love King Palm. And someday he's going to win, and we want to breed him."

Dave Smith, a thoroughbred expert who picked out the colt for the Maloofs, said he believes King Palm could have a big future. "He's got too much talent (to geld)," Smith said. "Once he figures it out, he could go on a long winning streak."

The Maloofs realize the irony that King Palm has the same bridesmaid tendencies as their Kings franchise in the NBA playoffs.

The family does have one champion in the WNBA's Monarchs.

Said Joe Maloof: "Our first mistake was we didn't name him Monarch Palm. He would have won by now."

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VOTE THE NEW ARENA DOWN FOLKS..............

[Chad Vander Veen]

VOTE THE NEW ARENA DOWN FOLKS..............

DO NOT LISTEN TO CAMAY ON THIS. HE'S WRONG

no offense, Cam.

[cw68]

http://www.sacbee.co...-15185819c.html

At a loss
The Maloofs' racehorse is a champ at finishing second -- and you can't blame Kobe
By Debbie Arrington -- Bee Staff Writer

Published 12:01 am PDT Wednesday, August 23, 2006

King Palm is the perfect racehorse for perennial bachelors Joe and Gavin Maloof. King Palm is a perennial bridesmaid.

The 5-year-old colt has finished second in nine consecutive races, setting what many racing experts believe is a record for close-but-no-Cigar futility.

"It's hilarious," Gavin Maloof said. "It's the only time I've ever been happy about finishing second in my life. Everybody into racing knows our horse.

"He's got a cult following."

Ripley's Believe It or Not and Guinness World Records have contacted the Maloofs, who named the horse after the Sacramento Kings and the Las Vegas hotel and casino owned by their family.

King Palm started his career with a sixth place and a third in 2004 before reeling off the seconds, all against top-class thoroughbreds on Southern California's major racing circuit. In his most recent start, Aug. 16 at Del Mar near San Diego, he rallied from last to finish second for the sixth time this year.

He has won about $100,000 without ever reaching the winner's circle -- and may run again before the end of the meet Sept. 6.

Vladimir Cerin, King Palm's trainer, said he is perplexed by the streak. He's never seen anything like it in his 27 years of training thoroughbreds.

"It's actually easier to win nine in a row -- if you have a really good horse -- than finish second nine times like that," Cerin said. "You have to beat everybody else except one horse each race. We're trying to win every time, but something always seems to happen."

The Maloofs say they've run out of excuses and are now enjoying the ride.

"We blamed the jockeys, bad starts, you name it," Joe Maloof said. "It's just crazy. It's an incredible story. He's beating 99 percent of his competition."

Added Gavin Maloof: "What are we going to do? You can't bench a horse. You can't fine him."

Racehorses can learn bad habits or develop a fear of the finish line, but Cerin said he doubts that is King Palm's problem. "He really wants to win," the trainer said. "He tries very hard every time."

The colt may be distracted by hormones. "He's very aggressive, and he likes to nip you," Cerin said. "He's just being playful, but a lot of humans have been tattooed by King Palm."

A solution to his runner-upitis could be castration. Geldings tend to be more focused on business than stallions. But the cut would be difficult for the Maloofs, who are favorites on the Las Vegas party circuit and have cultivated a reputation for reveling in their bachelorhood.

"We can't do that to him," Joe Maloof said. "I sure wouldn't want it done to me. We love King Palm. And someday he's going to win, and we want to breed him."

Dave Smith, a thoroughbred expert who picked out the colt for the Maloofs, said he believes King Palm could have a big future. "He's got too much talent (to geld)," Smith said. "Once he figures it out, he could go on a long winning streak."

The Maloofs realize the irony that King Palm has the same bridesmaid tendencies as their Kings franchise in the NBA playoffs.

The family does have one champion in the WNBA's Monarchs.

Said Joe Maloof: "Our first mistake was we didn't name him Monarch Palm. He would have won by now."

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VOTE THE NEW ARENA DOWN FOLKS..............

What does this have to do with a Sacramento arena?!

[benning]

Ok I'll try
I'm sure Andrew Carnegie and Nelson Rockefeller had racehorses. Take a look at Carnegie Hall or Rockefeller Center. These weren't deals where these wealthy people demanded public subsidy and profit insurance. They were giving back to make a better world in the classic philanthropic style.

Ah the good old days... when robberbarrons just exploited the people who worked for them instead of the entire population, then spent at least some of the money giving back in a substantial and lasting way.

We need more Bill Gates types.

[cw68]

Ok I'll try
I'm sure Andrew Carnegie and Nelson Rockefeller had racehorses. Take a look at Carnegie Hall or Rockefeller Center. These weren't deals where these wealthy people demanded public subsidy and profit insurance. They were giving back to make a better world in the classic philanthropic style.

Ah the good old days... when robberbarrons just exploited the people who worked for them instead of the entire population, then spent at least some of the money giving back in a substantial and lasting way.

We need more Bill Gates types.

I understand your point, but as wealthy as the Maloofs are, they aren't a Carnegie, Rockefeller or Gates in either wealth, stature or personalities.

[benning]

so therefore they need public subsidy and profit insurance??

It's one thing to truly share costs private/public, it's another to build your empire on the backs of the taxpayers. Why do you think their high power negotiators are doing? Trying to find ways to be more generous to the public? or trying to find the optimum way to leverage public money for their client's benefit, all at our expense?
Sorry, the story about how this particular deal must be done in order to have a lively downtown is a fairytale.

I'm for redevelopment/revitalizationbut there has got to be a better way.

[DrKoz23]

I understand your point, but as wealthy as the Maloofs are, they aren't a Carnegie, Rockefeller or Gates in either wealth, stature or personalities.

Maybe people are just jealous of success.

Or maybe people can't see beyond their simple thoughts of... "an arena for the millionaires".

Some people don't have vision and only can live in the present (or even the past)!

[camay2327]

cw68 What does this have to do with a Sacramento arena?!

MONEY. Let them build it and pay for it, OR

Let Sacramento build it, pay for it and get all the profits from it.

[Chad Vander Veen]

cw68 What does this have to do with a Sacramento arena?!

MONEY. Let them build it and pay for it, OR

Let Sacramento build it, pay for it and get all the profits from it.

Wow, you really can't see beyond your own property line...I thought I was just overstating things but I guess not.

[Steve Heard]

One day as the Little Red Hen was scratching in a field, she found a grain of wheat.

"This wheat should be planted," she said. "Who will plant this grain of wheat?"
"Not I," said the Duck.

"Not I," said the Cat.

"Not I," said the Dog.

"Then I will," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.

Soon the wheat grew to be tall and yellow.

"The wheat is ripe," said the Little Red Hen. "Who will cut the wheat?"
"Not I," said the Duck.

"Not I," said the Cat.

"Not I," said the Dog.

"Then I will," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.

When the wheat was cut, the Little Red Hen said, "Who will thresh the wheat?"

"Not I," said the Duck.
"Not I," said the Cat.

"Not I," said the Dog.

"Then I will," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.

When the wheat was threshed, the Little Red Hen said, "Who will take this wheat to the mill?"

"Not I," said the Duck.
"Not I," said the Cat.

"Not I," said the Dog.

"Then I will," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.

She took the wheat to the mill and had it ground into flour. Then she said, "Who will make this flour into bread?"

"Not I," said the Duck.
"Not I," said the Cat.

"Not I," said the Dog.

"Then I will," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.

She made and baked the bread. Then she said, "Who will eat this bread?"

"Oh! I will," said the Duck.
"And I will," said the Cat.

"And I will," said the Dog.

"No, No!" said the Little Red Hen. "I will do that." And she did.

[cw68]

I want bread!!

[Robert Giacometti]

One day as the Little Red Hen was scratching in a field, she found a grain of wheat.

"This wheat should be planted," she said. "Who will plant this grain of wheat?"
"Not I," said the Duck.

"Not I," said the Cat.

"Not I," said the Dog.

"Then I will," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.

Soon the wheat grew to be tall and yellow.

"The wheat is ripe," said the Little Red Hen. "Who will cut the wheat?"
"Not I," said the Duck.

"Not I," said the Cat.

"Not I," said the Dog.

"Then I will," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.

When the wheat was cut, the Little Red Hen said, "Who will thresh the wheat?"

"Not I," said the Duck.
"Not I," said the Cat.

"Not I," said the Dog.

"Then I will," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.

When the wheat was threshed, the Little Red Hen said, "Who will take this wheat to the mill?"

"Not I," said the Duck.
"Not I," said the Cat.

"Not I," said the Dog.

"Then I will," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.

She took the wheat to the mill and had it ground into flour. Then she said, "Who will make this flour into bread?"

"Not I," said the Duck.
"Not I," said the Cat.

"Not I," said the Dog.

"Then I will," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.

She made and baked the bread. Then she said, "Who will eat this bread?"

"Oh! I will," said the Duck.
"And I will," said the Cat.

"And I will," said the Dog.

"No, No!" said the Little Red Hen. "I will do that." And she did.

BUT....before she could eat the bread the big bad BOS said, wait we need to take a slice of your bread and give it to the Bread Company, because if we don't they will take all of their bread and move.

The little red hen replied, "Well I can still make my own bread and besides they have more bread than everyone else so if they want more bread let them make it themselves or move!'

The cat said "I don't have any bread", the BOS said, " it doesn't matter everybody has to give up some of their bread even if you don't have any"

The Duck said, "I don't like that Bread company, I never buy that bread, so why would I want to give up any of my bread to some bread company I don't enjoy?"

After chasing his tail, the dog said, "this the best deal we could have possibly gotten!", Then while still somewhat dizzy, he said, "what will we do if the bread company leaves?"

The hen replied, "I make my own"

The cat said, "I don't have any now."

The duck said "I don't buy that bread."

The dog said, I want it and we all need to give up something to keep the bread company that I want."

The duck asked the BOS if the Geese in the next pasture over, had to give up their bread to keep the bread company, but the BOS said "NO", that is not our pasture. The duck said the "geese eat a smuch bread as anyone in this farm its not fair they get to keep all of their bread and while we give up parts of ours, to keep something some of us don't care for."

The dog, having just finished barking at his shadow said, " you all are just being selfish, its only one piece of bread and it will improve property values."

To which the, Fox, on the BOS replied to the Wolf, who is the CEO of the bread company, " if we could just get the Hen, Cat & Duck to chase their tails....we all would be rolling in the dough!"

[Steve Heard]

BUT....before she could eat the bread the big bad BOS said, wait we need to take a slice of your bread and give it to the Bread Company, because if we don't they will take all of their bread and move.

The little red hen replied, "Well I can still make my own bread and besides they have more bread than everyone else so if they want more bread let them make it themselves or move!'

The cat said "I don't have any bread", the BOS said, " it doesn't matter everybody has to give up some of their bread even if you don't have any"

The Duck said, "I don't like that Bread company, I never buy that bread, so why would I want to give up any of my bread to some bread company I don't enjoy?"

After chasing his tail, the dog said, "this the best deal we could have possibly gotten!", Then while still somewhat dizzy, he said, "what will we do if the bread company leaves?"

The hen replied, "I make my own"

The cat said, "I don't have any now."

The duck said "I don't buy that bread."

The dog said, I want it and we all need to give up something to keep the bread company that I want."

The duck asked the BOS if the Geese in the next pasture over, had to give up their bread to keep the bread company, but the BOS said "NO", that is not our pasture. The duck said the "geese eat a smuch bread as anyone in this farm its not fair they get to keep all of their bread and while we give up parts of ours, to keep something some of us don't care for."

The dog, having just finished barking at his shadow said, " you all are just being selfish, its only one piece of bread and it will improve property values."

To which the, Fox, on the BOS replied to the Wolf, who is the CEO of the bread company, " if we could just get the Hen, Cat & Duck to chase their tails....we all would be rolling in the dough!"