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Folsom_mom1:

Thank you for your most important and powerful post.

Sexual assault crosses boundaries of age, ethnicity, economic status, and even gender. It is a horrific violent crime, and tragically the U.S. has some of the highest rates of sexual assault in the world.

For those interested in more information on this crime, you may wish to refer to the following site:

Rape Information

[OctoberLily]

Folsom Dad, I'm sorry your daughter has to go through this terrible incident. I hope next time you go to court, you bring your family and friends along for support. Please don't perceive that your daughter has no support because no one showed up at the court house. I'm sure there are a lot in the Folsom community who support your daughters courage to speak out. I'm sure it was difficult for her.

I think that it is wrong for many who comment in this forum to try to be judge and jury in this case. The boy who is suspected of these incidents has a right to trial and support from his family and friends. These are people who are genuinely concerned about him and no one can deny him that right. Just as Folsom Dad's daughter has a right to the same trial and support from her family and friends.

It's terrible that the victim's friends have turned their backs when their friends need them the most. I suspect that they fear being judged as well at the high school. At least the victims know who their real friends are.

In the interim, I think we should allow the investigation to run its course and allow the detectives and evidence to show what is true and what isn't. The rumors hopefully have died down at the high school, so that the girls can continue school without the added stress.

[camay2327]

We don't have children in school at Folsom High and do not know the people that are involved in this case.

We did not know when the case was going to court so even if we wanted to support the victims in this case we couldn't.

Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.

[Protchnu]

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Statistics show that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys are sexually assaulted by the young age of 18.

Can ya send a link for that? Because I can't even name 20 people under 18 that I know personally. That may be true for certain areas for the US but I HIGHLY doubt that 25% of the girls in the US have been sexually assaulted. However, if you can show a legit site that has that information, well then, I'll apologize or what not.

First of all, in my opinion, in order for it to be considered rape, you have to put up some sort of resistance. Now, one of the things that I've noticed is girls are pretty well known for screaming at pretty much...anything. Well, if you go to FHS and you look at the bathrooms you will notice they are ALL next to a classroom. And, if you are a student, you would have probably had the experience of a teacher yelling at a student in another classroom (mine being Mr. Gorbach) In my experience, the teacher wasn't even yelling loud, in fact you can hear teachers talk through the walls if a class is really quiet. Are you telling me, that if you were being forced to have sex you wouldn't scream yell or anything? Someone WOULD hear

There are other reasons why I don't believe it was a rape but I'm done ranting. For the most part, I think they were having sex and one girl changed her mind. Then the others came forth. Either way, both sides lives are going to go through a lot of trouble (not saying it isn't worth it) and the boy's life is most likely ruined. In fact, I wouldn't doubt they put up flyers when he moves into his first house/apartment. The nation may look down on the rape victims but I bet they make it A LOT harder for the boy ever to recuperate from this event and function as a regular US citizen

[forumreader]

QUOTE (Protchnu @ May 5 2004, 08:08 PM)

QUOTE Statistics show that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys are sexually assaulted by the young age of 18. Can ya send a link for that? Because I can't even name 20 people under 18 that I know personally. That may be true for certain areas for the US but I HIGHLY doubt that 25% of the girls in the US have been sexually assaulted. However, if you can show a legit site that has that information, well then, I'll apologize or what not. Either way, both sides lives are going to go through a lot of trouble (not saying it isn't worth it) and the boy's life is most likely ruined. In fact, I wouldn't doubt they put up flyers when he moves into his first house/apartment. The nation may look down on the rape victims but I bet they make it A LOT harder for the boy ever to recuperate from this event and function as a regular US citizen

Protchnu: I really don't understand your post, and your greater compassion for an alleged perpetrator. (Reminder: This is an alleged crime, and we are trying to avoid speculation in this forum.)

Please refer back to my post of 4/16. You will find a link to a reputable site which contains information on the crime of rape.

Regarding the statistics you question (1 out 4; 1 out of 6), those may be referring to victims of all sexual assault, including, but not limited to, rape. Depending on your source, you may find some variance in sexual assault statistics, in part due to the fact that these crimes are frequently not reported to law enforcement. A variety of accepted statistical methods are used by the U.S. Dept. of Justice and other law enforcement agencies to produce these stats.

I kindly suggest that you spend a little time reading the site I suggested. You will find not only current statistics, but some general information about the crime. Perhaps your mind and heart will be opened to more empathy for rape victims in general.

[Protchnu]

My mind and heart opened to rape victims? Who said they weren't? I just said if these girls really were raped they put no physical effort to stop it, or someone would've heard. Have you seen where bathrooms are located at FHS? Have you sat in the classrooms before? If people are moderatly loud you can hear them and thats probably just for cases like this. If there's something wrong people shouldn't be in sound proof rooms they should be able to hear any loud noises in case of an emergency.

Now maybe in her mind she was thinking, "I really don't want to do this!" but is the boy supposed to be psychic?

EDIT- Also if you don't believe there are reasons to change your mind and accuse rape...you get expelled from school if anyone finds out that you've been having sex on campus.

[knowswhathappened]

Rape and sexual assault are heinous crimes and true victims of such crimes deserve justice. Having said that, making false allegations against a person is despicable and happens more often than many people recognize. The true and only victim in this case is the boy and he and his family have experienced a tragedy and depth of pain that is inconceivable. Here are some FACTS, not rumors, that relate to this case and they are known by the Folsom police and the Folsom High School Administration:

The day after the alleged rape occured four boys who do not know the accused reported to the POLICE and HIGH SCHOOL officials that they went into the restroom (all separately) during the time this was allegedly occuring and saw a pair of boys and girls feet facing one another in a stall. Each time a boy went in they saw the girls feet disappear and that she appeared to step up on to the toilet and hide. All of the boys reported they heard no screams, no scuffling, no objections and just assumed it was a couple fooling around.

The girl did not report the incident until she was admonished for leaving class WITHOUT permission and was informed of her suspension from class.

The girl IS a karate blackbelt.

The alleged victims do all know one another, three of the four are in fact friends.

This is a runaway train, fueled by lies, an insatiable media and an agenda that has nothing to do with the truth. Caught underneath this train is a boy that has been accused of VIOLENCE where none occured. A family has been shattered. What holds them together is their strong faith and the many families and friends in this community that know their son did not assault anyone and hope and pray that justice will indeed prevail. Thus far it has not.

[forumreader]

Absolutely any false accusation of such a serious crime is inexcusable and very damaging. The damage would not only be to the falsely accused and his family, but would extend to assault victims and future assault victims by increasing the likelihood of non-reporting.

As I've before posted, this FHS case is tragic for all the young people and families involved. There are no winners.

Without making any speculations, I continue to extend my thoughts and prayers to all those involved, hoping for justice and healing.

[folsom_mom1]

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You are only a portion of the story, aren't you. There is certainly more to it. We will find out the full truth next week.

[Terry]

QUOTE (folsom_mom1 @ Jun 8 2004, 08:58 PM)

(edited), You are only a portion of the story, aren't you.  There is certainly more to it.  We will find out the full truth next week.

Who is (edited)? Did I miss something here?

[tessieca]

Yes, you did miss something. Apparently, FolsomMom1 is trying to expose an anonymous person who expressed their opinion by using her real name.

[folsom_dad]

There is no anonymity, even in cyberspace. Especially when a person's email address uses their first and last name. It's a small town, isn't it...

[camay2327]

There is an article in the Sac Bee today on this item...

[zach5]

http://www.sacbee.co...-10594187c.html

[FolsomJunior00]

"In opening statements in the non-jury trial, Brelsford told Judge Kenneth G. Peterson that the boy used a ruse of being sick to lure his rape victim into the bathroom."




Um, does something seem a little odd about this? The boy claims he is sick, so the girl goes in the guys bathroom for what reason? To help him throw up? To pat him on the back while he ralphs all over the ground? Why couldnt she just go find a MALE TEACHER to help the boy?!?!?! Wouldnt any other girl do that?

Folsomdad, i will keep my mind open, but, from what ive heard (and its FROM WHAT IVE HEARD!!!!!! Means nothing really) your daughter has a lot riding against her in this case. There is a lot that makes no sense to me with these allegations. First off, if what my freshmen sister is telling me about the boy, he is a small, 70 somehing pound kid. More like a rat, if i may say so. I just cant figure out how the girls couldnt fight

Dont get me wrong, you may be right after all, but im saying that the defense is going to paint a picture that will be very strong.