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#31 Suzyque565

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 04:56 PM

QUOTE(maestro @ Jun 23 2007, 01:11 PM) View Post
Thursday fire destroyed about 50 to 75 acres of State Park,
Corp Yard, private land.

Explosions were numerous.
Black smoke from burning wood poles poisoned the
air, sickened neighbors.

Flames 30 to 35 feet high raged within 25 feet of houses
on Young Wo.

Flames reached Hazardous Materials area (with stored oil,
batteries, electronics, derelict vehicles, tires, wood,
plastic, CRTs, paint, toxics, etc.)

City has and continues to improperly store haz mats
on BARE ground directly above American River.

Most importantly, if the breeze were not a strong
SW Delta breeze, our homes would have been
touched by the raging fire and explosive, air poisoning
toxins of the fire.

We are stunned, shocked, and physically ill.

The fire reached the Haz Mat area, where plastic
tarps cover plastic and metal barrels of haz mats.
Fence at Vet Hall was burned and fire spread to private
forest land beyond. Thanks to firefighters for braving
Creosote-filled toxic smoke in order to halt the
fire before it consumed the Sutter St. Forest and
homes along there.
While explosions occurred, and black smoke rose
from them in Corp Yard, the flames rose to at
least 35 feet in the air, and in front of the Young Wo
Cemetery/Park, our faces turned red from heat.
We have an urban forest. There's a Corp Yard
between forest/river
and our homes. So, where are the Fire Breaks?

None. City brought in Haz Mat area, and all
sorts of flammables, poisons, and toxics.
Instead of fire breaks, we have flammables to
spread the fire to our homes.
Again, thanks to the SW breeze, our neighborhood
was spared. Our lungs and throats are sore, and
we are in shock.
For 3 painful years I have battled cityhall to observe
regulations and safety precautions. Fires are
always occurring in the forest at the river, because
of humans.
Perhaps finally, the city will admit that when I sound
an alarm, I'm on the mark.
I have likewise been extremely concerned about the
very old tinderbox situations on Historic Sutter St.
BTW, I was stunned by the number of looky-lous
coming into the area. The fire trucks were impeded
by the illegal parking. The air was black, white, orange,
toxic. The flames blazed above us. The Creosote
burned our throats and lungs. The fear of the fire shifting
to our homes was red-hot and real. Neighbors used
their hoses against the burning corp yard just 25 feet from
their homes. Fire fighters didn't fight this front until
almost an hour after the blaze began. The area below
our homes is nearly impossible for trucks to reach.
Now they don't have to; there was a "fire clearance."
Corp yard junk and flammables were hard to reach.
And vehicles streamed in onto the 28 foot wide pavement
that had to service all the fire trucks. It was a nightmare
which could only have been worse by the loss of
homes and friends -- not just our False Sense of Security.
I feel deeply saddened and shocked by this near holocaust
because we are a close neighborhood, and we deserve the
city to respect the most basic of safety laws. Take the
hazardous materials away from the forests and our homes.
You've dragged your feet long enough.

A difference of wind direction, and we'd be gone.



That is horrible! We were on Sutter St and I kept praying the wind wouldn't change but from where we were, we couldn't tell how close it was to you. There should be some kind to authority level you could go to above our City leaders to get attention of this Haz Mat safety (rather lack of) issue. Do our City Leaders care??? Doesn't sound like it. Perhaps a few of you should find a good lawyer for the physical damages you've experienced due to the lack of our City Leaders following the laws.

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE(Suzyque565 @ Jun 23 2007, 05:56 PM) View Post
Perhaps a few of you should find a good lawyer for the physical damages you've experienced due to the lack of our City Leaders following the laws.


THAT'S what this city needs, an ambulance-chasing lawyer. I don't know all the facts, but I do know this city would not benefit from a frivolous lawsuit, that's going to line a lawyer's pockets and not really help the situation. When did "lawsuit" become a knee-jerk reaction in this world? It's shameful someone even suggested this...

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 08:07 PM

QUOTE(shaggy @ Jun 23 2007, 08:12 PM) View Post
THAT'S what this city needs, an ambulance-chasing lawyer. I don't know all the facts, but I do know this city would not benefit from a frivolous lawsuit, that's going to line a lawyer's pockets and not really help the situation. When did "lawsuit" become a knee-jerk reaction in this world? It's shameful someone even suggested this...


I hear what you are saying but sadly, sometimes the only way to get any response and corrective action is to file a lawsuit.

Since a citizen has raised this issue trying to be proactive to prevent a real catastrophe and nothing was done, if I was on the city council I would want to know who was responsible and why wasn't it done!

If someone hired an attorney and did file lawsuit and won, the real tragedy is that the city would probably raise our water rates or some other fee to pay for the award and the person responsible would still keep their job, still retire at an early age with lifetime medical benefits and a pension paying almost as they were earning while working.

If there was law passed that made those in the public sector responsible for any damages they caused as a result of their actions or lack of them...I really suspect things like this would never happen and there would be fewer lawyers.

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 08:43 PM

Personal accountability in the public sector? What a concept.

Maybe the Sac Bee would like to hear the complaints about what was stored in the corporation yard and how it was stored.
"Is that your bike? It sure looks fast."

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 09:01 PM


We all dream of a world of sunshine and rainbows and peace. The problem is some people think this would be a great place to live, while others think it would be a great place to pillage.


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Posted 24 June 2007 - 08:14 AM

QUOTE(jafount @ Jun 23 2007, 10:01 PM) View Post


jafount, who do you work for the public or private sector?

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Posted 24 June 2007 - 03:38 PM

Folsom is a member of the joint-powers Sacramento Enviromental Commission. You might try to get the HazMat storage issue calendared for Committee review:

http://www.emd.sacco...et/sec.html#SEC

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 11:48 AM

QUOTE(Duke @ Jun 24 2007, 04:38 PM) View Post
Folsom is a member of the joint-powers Sacramento Enviromental Commission. You might try to get the HazMat storage issue calendared for Committee review:

http://www.emd.sacco...et/sec.html#SEC


UPDATE:

The stench of plastics and other man-made poisons
is sickening. Neighbors have complained to Mayor
Morin. I complained to EMD site. Thank you for
mentioning it.


This storage should NEVER have been on Bare Ground.
When the rains come, all the toxics will pour into the
river, unless the city demands action from the city.


This may make some people happy -- I have been
accused of "hate the city" attitude for speaking up.
One person said it's important to be more considerate of
the officials and NOT be confrontational.



Some people believe my recording of facts is
personal to the city officials.


While no city person has offered us a meeting or
even a place to vent, we are apparently expected NOT
to vent our feelings and fear.

I have > 100 photos, and I remain rather in shock.
I have no way to stem the painful adrenaline flows
except to argue for change and describe what I have
recorded and observed for years.


It's a shame the city has not responded with a local
public forum for my shocked neighbors.

Neighbors are calling for an end to hazardous materials
next to forests and homes. Complaints are appearing
on our neighborhood website.

But, sadly, the burned Creosote, computers, barrels,
appliances, dumpsters, garbage trucks, poles, rails,
tents & sheds covered with plastic tarps and piles of
burned plastic, fences, and vehicles ----
it's all still there. Our throats are sore, our breathing
is impacted. Some homes have black ash.


If you come to the Tot Park next to the Corp Yard,
the smells will assault your respiratory system and
the sights will challenge your equanimity too.


My Thanks
to those people who witnessed the towering
flames over us and our homes,
to those who heard the
violent explosions as Haz Mats exploded within yards,
to the responders who went onto the private forested
land within 11 feet of Folsom's Haz Mat tents w/o
knowing what was stored behind the "Danger/
Flammable" signs,
to the responders who heeded our calls for more response,
to those who understood we dodged a lot of avoidable
bullets that night.

The Bee received my photos but they were not
published. In fact, there was no neighborhood Bee
section at all last weekend.

Thanks to those of you who understand the shock,
fear, and sadness. There really is no place for
jokes or personal tenderness. This is about
flammables and safety.


Today a deer stood just
outside the burn zone, close to me. He just stared
and stared at me. He didn't run. We both dodged
bullets.


#39 Chad Vander Veen

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 12:08 PM

Interesting posting style - haven't seen that before

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 02:18 PM

QUOTE(maestro @ Jun 26 2007, 12:48 PM) View Post
Neighbors are calling for an end to hazardous materials
next to forests and homes. Complaints are appearing
on our neighborhood website.


What was there first... the corp yard or the homes? Hmmmm... shouldn't you have thought of this before purchasing there???

QUOTE(maestro @ Jun 26 2007, 12:48 PM) View Post
The Bee received my photos but they were not
published. In fact, there was no neighborhood Bee
section at all last weekend.


There is no weekend neighborhood Bee section... and hasn't been for a while.

QUOTE(maestro @ Jun 26 2007, 12:48 PM) View Post
Thanks to those of you who understand the shock,
fear, and sadness. There really is no place for
jokes or personal tenderness. This is about
flammables and safety.
Today a deer stood just
outside the burn zone, close to me. He just stared
and stared at me. He didn't run. We both dodged
bullets.


That must have been some experience with a deer.

#41 tgianco

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 03:04 PM

QUOTE(DrKoz23 @ Jun 26 2007, 03:18 PM) View Post
That must have been some experience with a deer.

Here I am paddling on Lake Natoma and then viewing traffic over the new bridge.


In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'.

If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 08:27 PM

QUOTE(tgianco @ Jun 26 2007, 04:04 PM) View Post
Here I am paddling on Lake Natoma and then viewing traffic over the new bridge.




What tribe are you from?

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 03:16 PM

He's not. He was late to his band's cover of the Village People. YMCA night, or was it Macho Man?

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 02:43 PM

I don't know if the firefighters read this forum but I would like to Thank all of them for stopping the fire! Thank you firefighters!!! biggrin.gif

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 02:59 PM

QUOTE(MikeinFolsom @ Jun 27 2007, 04:16 PM) View Post
He's not. He was late to his band's cover of the Village People. YMCA night, or was it Macho Man?

For the longest time--I used to think the Village People were singing " Nacho-Nacho- Nacho ma-a an.




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