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#31 EDF

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 05:31 PM

QUOTE(Coastal Cohort @ Nov 20 2008, 11:58 AM) View Post
These type of stories make me so mad! angry.gif
I really think it should be a criteria of an ADA (or similar type of) lawsuit, that it can't be settled with money, it must be settled with ADA compliance. right? isn't that the point of these law suits - to get folks to comply with ADA laws?


to answer you question... you'd think that would be the case.. but I remember a winery I think it was in Lodi that had a "handicaped" bar next to a crapper that was like an "inch or two" off of the "prescribed" height from the floor... rather than send a note to have the guy fix it... they filed a lawsuit...

it's about the stinking money...

makes you sick of people who are disabled.. and just because they have the word "disabled" in front or after their name... doesn't mean they are in a "wheel" chair...



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Posted 20 November 2008 - 05:34 PM

I caught this story on ch13 news last night. The guy was obviously a bitter/angry man who has not yet accepted his disability and tried to overcome any challenges he has faced in his life. He would rather blame others for all of his problems. This is a perfect example of what happens when the state pays these people to sit at home and do nothing rather than find something constructive for them to do.

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 05:34 PM

QUOTE(Resume Lady @ Nov 20 2008, 02:29 PM) View Post
Agreed. And given the fact that they evidently don't comply on some aspects, it would be interesting to know if this man brought the discrepancies in compliance to the attention of the district to no avail, or if he headed straight for a lawsuit.


I think they are compliance....

It's just the stinking jerk was "inconvenienced" because there were no signs... this guy is a pr*ck".. he's miserable in his life and wants everyone else to be too...



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Posted 20 November 2008 - 05:37 PM

QUOTE(Sandman @ Nov 20 2008, 05:34 PM) View Post
I caught this story on ch13 news last night. The guy was obviously a bitter/angry man who has not yet accepted his disability and tried to overcome any challenges he has faced in his life. He would rather blame others for all of his problems. This is a perfect example of what happens when the state pays these people to sit at home and do nothing rather than find something constructive for them to do.


why should the "state" find something for this guy to do...?

why can't he find something to do on his own... just for the shear enjoyment of being a part of society instead of a stinking leach....

maybe if his daughter was humiliated he would have some sympathy for her..

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 05:52 PM

QUOTE(EDF @ Nov 20 2008, 05:34 PM) View Post
I think they are compliance....

It's just the stinking jerk was "inconvenienced" because there were no signs... this guy is a pr*ck".. he's miserable in his life and wants everyone else to be too...



The signage is part of ADA compliance. If they have no sign they are not in compliance.
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Posted 20 November 2008 - 06:37 PM

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The signage is part of ADA compliance. If they have no sign they are not in compliance.

As the school staffer said, I doubt any school or business is in 100% full compliance. ADA dictates the height of signs to the inches. I know a contractor who got a gig redoing an entire brand new large hotels bathrooms to lower the counters 1 inch.
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Posted 20 November 2008 - 06:49 PM

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As the school staffer said, I doubt any school or business is in 100% full compliance. ADA dictates the height of signs to the inches. I know a contractor who got a gig redoing an entire brand new large hotels bathrooms to lower the counters 1 inch.


I understand and I also doubt any business is 100% compliant. I was specifically addressing EDF's contention that the school was compliant but had no signs... The signs are a part of compliance.
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Posted 20 November 2008 - 06:49 PM

QUOTE(EDF @ Nov 20 2008, 05:31 PM) View Post
makes you sick of people who are disabled.. and just because they have the word "disabled" in front or after their name... doesn't mean they are in a "wheel" chair...

The guy is a low-life jerk, period. 50 lawsuits? He only cares about the money.

The problem is that only these cases make the news and the VAST majority of disabled people don't file frivolous lawsuits. I'd venture to guess that the actual percentage of disabled people suing is far less than 1% so please don't group them together with this scumbag.





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Posted 20 November 2008 - 07:26 PM

QUOTE(dlutz @ Nov 20 2008, 06:49 PM) View Post
The guy is a low-life jerk, period. 50 lawsuits? He only cares about the money.

The problem is that only these cases make the news and the VAST majority of disabled people don't file frivolous lawsuits. I'd venture to guess that the actual percentage of disabled people suing is far less than 1% so please don't group them together with this scumbag.


sorry.... I don't want to include them all...

but me and some partners have been "victims" of these scum bags and it just reinforces my opinion that many people... disabled or not... are just absolute "sh*t" when it comes to sucking money from someone else because they have in their mind because they are "disabled", they are just entitled to it...

This pr*ck" was inconvienced...? and so now the school district has got to pay for this stinking lawsuit...? when all he should have done was go into the offifce and ask them to put a sign or fire off one of those "nasty" notes an attorney does and ask for compliance...

but oh no... he's got to sue... sue... sue.. and sue... sue...

he's a jerk and needs to stick his head where the sun don't shine... of course I mean that in a nice warm and fuzzy way...


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Posted 20 November 2008 - 09:26 PM

QUOTE(dlutz @ Nov 20 2008, 06:49 PM) View Post
The problem is that only these cases make the news and the VAST majority of disabled people don't file frivolous lawsuits. I'd venture to guess that the actual percentage of disabled people suing is far less than 1% so please don't group them together with this scumbag.


I agree. My dad had MS and had to use a wheelchair for many years. He passed away prior to the ADA being enacted but I know he would never support people like this.


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Posted 22 November 2008 - 12:24 PM

From the article:

"He says critics should worry less about the money he's making..."

No, that's exactly what we should be worrying about, because it's the obvious motive. Don't give him any money, and his lawsuits will dry up. He doesn't care about a sign going up in front of the administrative building at FHS. (It takes one time to find out where the ramp is, and to use it thereafter.) No, he cares about making a living from complaining about it.

This kind of stuff won't last forever, folks. One way or another, we the people will eventually have had enough of this, and the courts will follow our lead.

Freedom from bigotry means being able to call a disabled person a jerk when he's a jerk, and not feeling the need to coddle him just because he's disabled. This guy is being a selfish jerk. Otherwise he would go up to school officials in a nice way and ask them to put up a sign, rather than slap them with a lawsuit.



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Posted 22 November 2008 - 12:29 PM

QUOTE(normajean @ Nov 20 2008, 05:23 PM) View Post
50 lawsuits
44 have been settled
at least that explains why i see this man and his wife (?) ALL over town, no need to have a job!!

in the news clip it shows the stairs in front of the office building. then it shows the man having to go his 30 yards down the sidewalk to the LEFT of the office, presumably around that bldg, etc., to access the office. what it neglects to show is that if the man turns his wheelchair around and travels approximately 20/25 feet on the sidewalk toward the RIGHT of the office bldg, he be able to use the same sidewalk i use (as do most visitors/parents because it is right next to the parking lot!) when i need to go to the office. no stairs, no problem. i'm just sayin.....


Good point. And why wouldn't he aim for that point, rather than the stairs, to begin with?

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Posted 22 November 2008 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE(Resume Lady @ Nov 20 2008, 03:52 PM) View Post
And I'm guessing a judge would lean on the side of good faith effort. The problem is it's cheaper and easier to settle than to allow these cases to go to court, so guys like this win, win, win, and public places -- such as the school in this instance -- lose. sad.gif There really should be better laws to prohibit people from profiting off of such frivolous lawsuits.


I happily am not in a position to have to make the choice, but I wonder what would happen if a business owner simply let it go to court, without engaging a lawyer, and without incurring any legal fees at all. Would a judge throw out the case, or is the risk still too great that judges would make these outrageous awards?

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Posted 22 November 2008 - 12:38 PM

QUOTE(stevethedad @ Nov 20 2008, 11:43 AM) View Post
It's a terrible thing. The system needs to be in place to protect innocent people from scammers, but scammers use the system to against innocent people.

I once had a crappy employee, who after 2 months on the job, started pissing off customers and fellow employees. I counseled him. He then told me he was diabetic and needed work out every day, and wanted to take a 2 hour lunch to do so.

I am a bit of an excercise fanatic, with a few diabetics in my family. I told him to do what I do; work out in the morning or after work. He called in sick the next day, and stayed out over a week, though he would call daily to tell employees that he wasn't really sick, knowing that they'd tell me. I fired his lazy fat arse.

He filed a lawsuit against me claiming that I discriminate against people with disabilities. I vowed to fight it, but eventually settled. I think it was about $20K (he was suing for $300,000).

I found out that he had filed suits against:

An employer, for discrimination based on the fact that he was male and the managers were female and they made comments about men at the office.

An employer, for discrimination based on sexual orientation because someone asked him if he was gay (he was obviously so), and he was humiliation and offended by the question, and it created a hostile work environment.

He threatened to file a suit against the employment agency who placed him with me because they refused to work with him again.

He sued his neighbor over the the installation of a hot tub.

He threatened to sue 24 Hour Fitness because they had a '12 Days of Christmas' promotion where you could use the gym for free for 12 day. He wanted to use the days whenver he wanted to, rather than during the 12 days of Christmas. I knew the manager over there, and this clown told him, 'It doesn't say 12 days in a row, so I should be able to use them one at a time, indefinitely.'

The nerve of this guy suing for false advertising on something he was getting for free! The manager told me he wanted to take the guy out back and beat the crap out of him.

They changed the wording the following year to include 'must be used for 12 consecutive days.'


This is a horrible predicament for a business owner.

I can't help seeing the humor in one of the lawsuits: "someone asked him if he was gay (he was obviously so), and he was humiliated and offended by the question". Why?? Is that something he thought was humiliating and offensive? If so, is he the one who's the bigot? And if he is gay, how can he support gay marriage if he can't support being recognized as gay in public? Too weird for words.

Once the initiators of frivolous/predatory lawsuits are punished, we will see an end to this type of stuff. Either make them pay the court costs of the defendants, like they do in Germany for example, or else actually fine them and their lawyers. That should work.




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Posted 22 November 2008 - 12:41 PM

I agree that there has been outrageous abuse of ADA lawsuits, often against small business owners.

I think many people are beginning to recognize this as a problem, but I don't know if there is a solution on the horizon.

I know the courts have declared a couple habitual plaintiffs "vexatious litigants" and barred them from bringing any more lawsuits. But this remedy often comes too late to help small business owners forced out of business by lawsuits based on technicalities.




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