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Posted 11 August 2009 - 03:30 PM

QUOTE (forumreader @ Aug 11 2009, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am not unconcerned about a major swine flu outbreak. However, it is very frustrating to wade through the media hype to make intelligent decisions.

The title of the "Telegraph" article is just one more example of media hype or inaccurate reporting. There has been no outbreak of H1N1 at Vista. A Vista student became ill BEFORE school and orientation began. As stacycam pointed out, it is much more likely that someone in the community had contact with the student at the movie theatre, a retail store, a restaurant, etc. Why heighten the worries among parents, teachers and students?

Hopefully schools are taking preemptive measures this first week, and discussing the steps we can take to not share germs (i.e. proper handwashing, sneezing/coughing manners, staying home if you are ill, etc.).

Randb pointed out that statistically speaking, a child is at greater risk of dying due to injury on the trips to and from school. Also important to keep in mind is that more people died from the effects of the swine flu shot in the 1970s than did from the disease itself in this country. Consider the ill effects of the anthrax vaccine mandated for our military. The Gardisil vaccine is a prime example of how marketing can create a "need" for a vaccine that has demonstrated dangerous and serious side effects.

I am concerned about the rush toward mass vaccination with the new (experimental) swine flu shot.....Thimerosol and squalene are adjuvant ingredients. These are know toxins, and ironically, these toxins are more likely to be dangerous to the "priority" groups (i.e. young children, pregnant women, etc.) that are targeted for the first round of available vaccine.

I'd urge all to do their homework before putting such faith in the FDA, WHO and CDC, and running out to get the vaccine.



Your comments are both informed and insightful. And I agree totally.







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Posted 11 August 2009 - 03:35 PM

QUOTE (Darth Lefty @ Aug 11 2009, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This would be true if there weren't a confirmed case at the school.

Yes, but statistically speaking, they're extremely unlikely to contract swine flu and die on their way to school.
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Posted 11 August 2009 - 04:57 PM

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Do we know what elementary school the Vista's sibling goes to?

Empire Oaks, Russell Ranch, Oak Chan....not sure of the rest.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 05:07 PM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Aug 11 2009, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They just increased the amount of funds that single stay at home moms get. Maybe if they keep rasing the incentive to stay at home, instead of working, you can home school your kids and make more money.

Ummm, no.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 05:45 PM

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All great in theory, but what do those of us who can't homeschool do? My children's lives are paramount to me, but I can't just NOT work and it's not because commerce is more important, nor is it because education needs to proceed as usual. It's reality. I have one income for my family and can't just choose to stay home.

"It's the economy, stupid." But not the nation's economy - mine!



The following question may be too personal to answer....you said you had only one income....

Where is the father of your children and why isn't he contributing to the cost of their care?

I have a couple of girlfriends who have to keep reminding their ex-husbands, that they have a moral responsibility to help raise their children. We have discussed putting up a web site to expose these rotten dads and making the whole world know they are dead beats. But with time constraints, we haven't looked into the legal side of doing so.....there may be privacy rights of these fathers we could be violating.

What are your thoughts on this?



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Posted 11 August 2009 - 05:58 PM

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I am a confirmed H1N1 survivor of about two weeks. I'm male and 46 yrs old and I'm not sure how I contracted it; it's possible my son was a carrier since he was in contact with another confirmed case in Cameron Park. We live in EDH.

Here is my experience.
  • Tues, at work with a cough that I thought was allergy related. By the time I got home, I felt very very tired.
  • Weds, home from work with aches, chills, 102.5 fever, and massive coughing weezing chest congestion. Still have appetite and drinking tons of fluids.
  • Thurs, wife looks up symptoms on internet and says it sounds like H1N1. Calls Dr. and makes appt. Dr visit involves vital signs, treatment on asthma nebulizer (sp), test for H1N1, prescription for Tamilflu and inhaler. Note: I'm not asthmatic.
  • Fri, Tamilflu is fighting the virus and I'm out of bed. Fever back to almost normal. No appetite possibly due to the Tamilflu also have headache. Cough is subsiding.
  • Sat. same as Fri and still have headache.
  • Sun. I stop taking the Tamiflu as I don't have an appetitie, my vision is a little blurry, and the headache is still there.
  • Mon, Up and about the house. Headache is gone, temp back to normal.
  • Tues. back to work. Still have a little cough.


On Thurs, one week after the dr. visit the Dr. calls with the positive results of the test. That's a long time. Says that I'm contagious for seven days after initial onset of the flu. Initial onset would be Tuesday.

In my opinion, this flu was bad, but not nearly as bad as flus I've had in the past. It is highly contagious, but the rest of my family was able to avoid it. I am now immuned to this strain of the virus. I would suspect that people with respiratory problems as well as the young and very old, would have a hard time with this virus.

As for the nurse triathlete that died from complications of the virus, I'd venture to guess that she died from pneumonia and due to her work she more than likely was resistant to the antibiotics that are used to fight the pneumonia infection.


Thank you for posting this. It was very helpful to see a timeline as well as the symptoms. I'm hoping if they see this that the family of the child from Vista will do something similar when they get a chance.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 07:41 PM

QUOTE (Baldguy @ Aug 11 2009, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am a confirmed H1N1 survivor of about two weeks. I'm male and 46 yrs old and I'm not sure how I contracted it; it's possible my son was a carrier since he was in contact with another confirmed case in Cameron Park. We live in EDH.

Here is my experience.
  • Tues, at work with a cough that I thought was allergy related. By the time I got home, I felt very very tired.
  • Weds, home from work with aches, chills, 102.5 fever, and massive coughing weezing chest congestion. Still have appetite and drinking tons of fluids.
  • Thurs, wife looks up symptoms on internet and says it sounds like H1N1. Calls Dr. and makes appt. Dr visit involves vital signs, treatment on asthma nebulizer (sp), test for H1N1, prescription for Tamilflu and inhaler. Note: I'm not asthmatic.
  • Fri, Tamilflu is fighting the virus and I'm out of bed. Fever back to almost normal. No appetite possibly due to the Tamilflu also have headache. Cough is subsiding.
  • Sat. same as Fri and still have headache.
  • Sun. I stop taking the Tamiflu as I don't have an appetitie, my vision is a little blurry, and the headache is still there.
  • Mon, Up and about the house. Headache is gone, temp back to normal.
  • Tues. back to work. Still have a little cough.


On Thurs, one week after the dr. visit the Dr. calls with the positive results of the test. That's a long time. Says that I'm contagious for seven days after initial onset of the flu. Initial onset would be Tuesday.

In my opinion, this flu was bad, but not nearly as bad as flus I've had in the past. It is highly contagious, but the rest of my family was able to avoid it. I am now immuned to this strain of the virus. I would suspect that people with respiratory problems as well as the young and very old, would have a hard time with this virus.

As for the nurse triathlete that died from complications of the virus, I'd venture to guess that she died from pneumonia and due to her work she more than likely was resistant to the antibiotics that are used to fight the pneumonia infection.
You were very lucky and your immune system handled it. She did die of pneumonia and so did the 30 year old in Woodland. It is a VIRAL pneumonia not bacterial and no antibiotic will touch it. this is a very serious flu for some people and for others it is not. Thank you for sharing. It seems like it is making its way up the hill from Folsom. Was anyone at work sick? Had you been on any trips? Just curious. The tamilful probably gave you some side effects. they are warning people not to give it to children now, many side effects and really only lessens the virus by 1 day. but in some cases it may stop the pneumonia Please people do not be complacent. If you cant breathe go to the ER.



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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:43 PM

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The following question may be too personal to answer....you said you had only one income....

Where is the father of your children and why isn't he contributing to the cost of their care?

I have a couple of girlfriends who have to keep reminding their ex-husbands, that they have a moral responsibility to help raise their children. We have discussed putting up a web site to expose these rotten dads and making the whole world know they are dead beats. But with time constraints, we haven't looked into the legal side of doing so.....there may be privacy rights of these fathers we could be violating.

What are your thoughts on this?

FWIW, usually the dad doesn't make enough to support the woman completely. There is a calculation they use, and it seems to favor the dads, IMO.

Tell you friends to take the dads to court.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 10:31 PM

QUOTE (MaxineR @ Aug 11 2009, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The following question may be too personal to answer....you said you had only one income....

Where is the father of your children and why isn't he contributing to the cost of their care?

I have a couple of girlfriends who have to keep reminding their ex-husbands, that they have a moral responsibility to help raise their children. We have discussed putting up a web site to expose these rotten dads and making the whole world know they are dead beats. But with time constraints, we haven't looked into the legal side of doing so.....there may be privacy rights of these fathers we could be violating.

What are your thoughts on this?

My children's father does a very good job with his obligations of supporting them and is by no means an absent dead-beat father. But that income is theirs. I bring in one income for my family - my household and without that income child support would not be enough for me and my kids to live on. It's not the same as have a two-income household. Maybe it's more accurate to say I have one income plus 10%ish of another post-taxes.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 10:34 PM

QUOTE (stacycam @ Aug 11 2009, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FWIW, usually the dad doesn't make enough to support the woman completely. There is a calculation they use, and it seems to favor the dads, IMO.

Tell you friends to take the dads to court.

I agree that the formula favors the higher wage-earner. My support for 50% custody of two kids is 10% of his gross income per month, but it's tax-free. That makes it a little higher percentage, but I guarantee he spends more than that on them per month for his 50% custody-related costs. I'm not complaining, it just is what it is.

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 06:14 AM

QUOTE (Darth Lefty @ Aug 11 2009, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This would be true if there weren't a confirmed case at the school.


umm, no the statistics are still true.

Also maybe I missed it but I never saw anything that said there was a case at the school. Someone has the flu that would have attended the school. As far as I am aware there is no cases of the flu at Vista.

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 06:24 AM

QUOTE (randb @ Aug 12 2009, 07:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
umm, no the statistic are still true.

Also maybe I missed it but I never saw anything that said there was a case at the school. Someone has the flue that would have attended the school. As far as I am aware there is not cases of the flu at Vista.



You are correct, there have been no cases AT the school. The student who has it has not been to the school yet, but of course the news is sensationalizing the story as they always do.

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 08:01 AM

"You were very lucky and your immune system handled it. She did die of pneumonia and so did the 30 year old in Woodland. It is a VIRAL pneumonia not bacterial and no antibiotic will touch it. this is a very serious flu for some people and for others it is not. Thank you for sharing. It seems like it is making its way up the hill from Folsom. Was anyone at work sick? Had you been on any trips? Just curious. The tamilful probably gave you some side effects. they are warning people not to give it to children now, many side effects and really only lessens the virus by 1 day. but in some cases it may stop the pneumonia Please people do not be complacent. If you cant breathe go to the ER."

I am lucky and feel the need to inform others that this flu is not as bad as the media seems to depict it for NORMALLY HEALTHY people like me.

Unfortunately, and I didn't realize it at the time, I was probably contagious at the time I went to work that first Tuesday with no fever and a cough. Several people in our office suffered the same symptoms after me, but no one else was tested. I don't know if the non testing was due to the Dr. not wanting to (as I've heard can be the case) or they didn't go to the Dr at all. I'm big on not going to work when ill and spreading the wealth so to speak.

I've not been on any trips lately and my only known contact with a known case was as I stated in my post.

I feel the Tamilflu did give me the side effects, but I feel they were tolerable considering it seemed to knock the virus down right away and lessen the time Iwas ill.

My co-worker had the same symptoms and was not confirmed. He recovered and has since relapsed it appears. He is asthmatic.

I also found out that a friend of mine (who I haven't seen in quite awhile) is hopitalized with the flu in Lodi. He is a smoker and diabetic.

So, my thoughts here are if you are not perfectly healthy...this could turn into something more serious. It's also interesting to note that I'm usually the one that does not get sick as I seem to have a robust immune system....

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 08:11 AM

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So, my thoughts here are if you are not perfectly healthy...this could turn into something more serious. It's also interesting to note that I'm usually the one that does not get sick as I seem to have a robust immune system....



There are cases in the news of people who did not have compromised health issues who have died of this flu. I don't think the patterns of who is most at risk are clear yet.
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Posted 12 August 2009 - 08:21 AM

This is some pretty interesting information (Qs and As) out of Northwestern University:

http://news.medill.n....aspx?id=131077
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