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#31 palango

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 10:14 PM

QUOTE (Deb B @ Oct 10 2009, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You don't need to insult people, Palango. Parents do their best to research the pros and cos of immunizations. It is not unanimous even within the medical community whether these shots have been rushed to market or not -- so we don't know what impact the immunizations themselves will have on our health. You may agree with what you hear from some medical professionals, but some of us are listening to both sides. My children are young adults now and can decide for themselves whether they want the shot, but if they were younger I don't know what I'd do. As I've pointed out before, my doctor isn't getting the shot and I'm not either. You are entitled to your own conclusions and your own actions, but to insult people and call them child abusers is way out of line.


Please show me ONE instance of a world renowned researcher (besides Rush Limbaugh or the national Enquirer rationale) that has come out in the media against this vaccine???? In fact, there is OVERWHELMING consensus among all the researchers at CDC (very smart people) and the WHO (very smart people) that have done massive amount of research on this and they have basically stated that the cost of not getting vaccinated for kids and at risk are much greater than getting a vaccine.

Those parents that are electing NOT to vaccinate for the swine flu might as well throw out their car seats and not buckle their kids if they are in this "gambling' mood based on junk science and succumbing to fear mongering. Nothing in life P##ses me off more than clear ignorance and willful child abuse.

for the record, I have a frined (Dr. Graham in SF) that is trained in Harvard and Stanford in epidemic diseases and pandemics. He is also father of 2 kids under 5. He told me that it i a shame that these parents subscribe to this "junk science" and fear mongering as they are gambling as this H1N1 can get really dangerous.

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 11:07 PM

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I'm trying to figure out whether to get the vaccine for two of my kids. My youngest was officially diagnosed with H1N1 about two months ago, and the other two kids became ill within days, also. Their pediatrician just assumed the other two had the virus and did not do the test for them.

For my kids, it was like a regular flu virus, except my one daughter seemed to have a bit more of a severe case, lasting about three or four days, and she felt pretty terrible, with a high fever. Since I am not positive if the my other two kids have actually had it, I am leaning towards the vaccination. Their pediatrician says it is up to me.

If they were sick around the same time as your daughter, I think it is safe to presume they got the same bug as your daughter and are therefore, already immunized against future infections. From what I've heard, they now believe 90% of flu victims have H1N1, it's believed to be more virulent than the regular flu viruses. That means it will spread faster, it doesn't mean it is deadlier. So if it spreads faster and more people will contract it, yes it is expected more people will die from it as well, but not necessarily out of proportion to the regular flu.

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 11:19 PM

Palango, the television, radio, print media and Internet have been full of controversy over this vaccine for several months, with doctors from many countries weighing in with concerns over rushing the vaccines to market. I'm a busy gal and didn't take down names and titles for you and don't have time to do homework for you now, but if you're motivated to do so you can do the research yourself.


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Posted 11 October 2009 - 07:08 AM

QUOTE (davburr @ Oct 10 2009, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wasn't insinuating people were going to be dropping like flies, I was just sharing her experience. She's older and weaker and I doubt everyones experiences will be like that.


Oh okay, fair enough.

I thought you were offering this as a reason ordinary people should opt not to get the vaccine.

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 09:11 AM

QUOTE (bordercolliefan @ Oct 10 2009, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. When did this occur?

2. What vaccine was it?



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Posted 11 October 2009 - 09:15 AM

QUOTE (davburr @ Oct 10 2009, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. last week

2. h1n1


the vaccine is not here yet for h1n1 unless it is nasal mist and your mom is under 49>
I am confused. Is the injectable form out and if so what facility did she get it from?

My husband works at Sutter and they do not have it.


Could you elaborate of this for us.

Thanks

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:42 AM

QUOTE (palango @ Oct 10 2009, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please show me ONE instance of a world renowned researcher (besides Rush Limbaugh or the national Enquirer rationale) that has come out in the media against this vaccine???? In fact, there is OVERWHELMING consensus among all the researchers at CDC (very smart people) and the WHO (very smart people) that have done massive amount of research on this and they have basically stated that the cost of not getting vaccinated for kids and at risk are much greater than getting a vaccine.


You also need to look at who funds these researchers because it is the pharmaceutical companies that are making these vaccines. All of these people are looking to make millions (maybe even billions) off people getting vaccinated. It is definitely in their interest as all the stocks go up. So you may want to stop calling people murderers for not getting there kids vaccinated against the swine flu just because you are listening to these researchers and missing the very big point of this huge business that we call healthcare. Just my two cents.




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Posted 11 October 2009 - 03:00 PM

Again, not ONE shred of CREDIBLE evidence to support these national Enquirer/Rush limbaugh JUNK science. I say that people that REFUSE to vaccinate their kids should sign a waiver fully acknowledging that IF their kids end up on life support (or worst), they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for this deliberate crime.



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Posted 11 October 2009 - 03:17 PM

QUOTE (Deb B @ Oct 11 2009, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Palango, the television, radio, print media and Internet have been full of controversy over this vaccine for several months, with doctors from many countries weighing in with concerns over rushing the vaccines to market. I'm a busy gal and didn't take down names and titles for you and don't have time to do homework for you now, but if you're motivated to do so you can do the research yourself.


Sorry I do not watch foxnews as I may I have missed some world renowned doctors and researchers from the CDC and WHO publicly blast the safety of this vaccine as they encouraged parents not to participate in this program.

Deb, I am dissapointed that of all the people, you, have failed to to provide any evidence as you hide behind the shroud of "I am busy gal....." argument. I have a lot of respect for your meticulous knack for evidence on these boards as you have been very helpful to me and others by finding amazing articles and evidence based arguments.

My deepest apologies to you and anyone that is offended by my tone, but IF I see a child suffer because of WILLFUL crime by adults, I can't sit silent. I have to speak my mind.

These parents might as well purchase super violent video games for their kids for XMAS and choose not to buckle them in because the evidence on those fronts may be questionable as well.

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 03:19 PM

All I am saying is that you need to look at both sides and not just call people murderers or lawbreakers because they don't believe the way you do. You are just as bad as Rush Limbaugh or "National Inquierer" but you are just the opposite side. You are very one sided and quite rude, if I don't say so myself. If everybody thought the same way we would have a very scary society.
I also think that you can see who holds stock in what and you would probably see who out of that will be the ones making the most money. You would probably be surprised by what you saw and maybe think twice about these people that you have up on a pedestal feeding you this information. Its a big media and money hype. Sorry

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 03:21 PM

QUOTE (megan @ Oct 11 2009, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You also need to look at who funds these researchers because it is the pharmaceutical companies that are making these vaccines. All of these people are looking to make millions (maybe even billions) off people getting vaccinated. It is definitely in their interest as all the stocks go up. So you may want to stop calling people murderers for not getting there kids vaccinated against the swine flu just because you are listening to these researchers and missing the very big point of this huge business that we call healthcare. Just my two cents.


aaaaahhh.. the evil corporations trying to make billions of H1N1 argument. You have watched too much TV. So if you REFUSE to vaccinate your kids, please be sure to REFUSE treatment if, God Forbid, they are on life support because of your deep rooted belief that all this is capitalism at work.


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Posted 11 October 2009 - 03:25 PM

Bottom line is that some parents are GAMBLING with their kids. The CDC and the WHO and all the State and Health Departments are extremely concerned about this as they are encouraging parents to vaccinate their kids.

So the question is, do feel like gambling mood? Will you say screw you to OVERWHELMING scientific community supporting the vaccine in favor of junk science at best?????

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 03:27 PM

QUOTE (palango @ Oct 11 2009, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
aaaaahhh.. the evil corporations trying to make billions of H1N1 argument. You have watched too much TV. So if you REFUSE to vaccinate your kids, please be sure to REFUSE treatment if, God Forbid, they are on life support because of your deep rooted belief that all this is capitalism at work.


I am definitely not against vaccines but definitely against believing everything that people tell me. I like to do my own research and make my own decision on whats right for my family and myself. It shouldn't be all or none. Just because you refuse to get a flu vaccine doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to get treatment. With most vaccines you are usually only 70-80% immune to the disease. Also if the H1N1 mutates, everyone that has been vaccinated is null and void. So, yes, I am definitely going to sit back and is going to see what happens with the strain. I am definitely not going to be the first one in line.


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Posted 11 October 2009 - 04:21 PM

QUOTE (davburr @ Oct 10 2009, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
somewhere around that time yes. no she's not a health care worker she's a senior and has got some fancy shmancy premium health care insurance and lives in the boonies in the desert, so her doc probably got it to her faster then regular patients would get it.



There is no way she got the H1N1 vaccine unless she is Obama!!!! She may have got the seasonal flu shot and got confused. It was not out for anyone, unless you are rich and famous.

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 04:32 PM

QUOTE (palango @ Oct 11 2009, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bottom line is that some parents are GAMBLING with their kids. The CDC and the WHO and all the State and Health Departments are extremely concerned about this as they are encouraging parents to vaccinate their kids.

So the question is, do feel like gambling mood? Will you say screw you to OVERWHELMING scientific community supporting the vaccine in favor of junk science at best?????



Palango, sounds like you are either a MD, pro vaccination and have your mind made up and it is your way or the highway, or you are a person who really does not value any persons right to vaccinate or not.
This is a very personal decision and I agree with Megan, you have to look at both sides. You cannot call anyone who did not give their child a vaccine a murderer. You sound really vicious and rude.
Now since you are so well versed on the subject, you have read that giving the nasal mist to anyone, can SHRED this virus for 7 days... Have you done your homework. I would never give my kid the flu mist. If you do not know what this means, it is a live virus you are giving your kids, and you are giving it to every other kid, too. So before you start calling everyone murderers, do your homework and if you trust the CDC, WHO and our government, then you need rethink what you are doing. I hope NO child ever goes on life support with this, that is a cruel and inhumane thing to say.
GIVE YOUR KIDS THE VACCINE, AND I HOPE THEY ARE OK, BUT YOU NEED TO REALLY CALM DOWN. EVERYONE IS CONFUSED AND IF OUR GOVERNMENT, CDC AND WHO WERE DOING A GOOD JOB THERE WOULD NOT BE THIS CONVERSATION, WOULD THERE!!!!!!!




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