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[Darthvader]

That story is most likely bogus, do some research. Its been a hugely controversial case and all over the internet for a while now. Its not even about the swine flu vaccine but in regards to the normal flu shot. That video is just labeled for searches. There has been other video's done by quite a few other then this station in the video also that denote it.

Most dr's are using her for a poster girl of a different disease (thats basically in her head) that is not linked with the flu shot at all and as far as I know there has never been a recorded case of that disease ever with the flu shot.

If it is the flu shot then its 1 in a million chance. Those who fall ill with swine flu have alot more risk then 1 in a million in actually dying as well as spreading things to others. And if you don't get the vaccine this year then you have a HIGH chance of getting this virus. I'm not saying to run for the hills... just don't be extreme in believing arguments like this video.

Lets not spread around propaganda... If that is a real case then I'm sorry for her but it doesn't mean it was because of the flu shot. Trauma and things like emotional disturbances cause the disease most feel she has. And personally I wouldn't be surprised if its an elaborate hoax...

That's what this entire thread is about! Don't buy the HYPE, sell the FEAR!

[JLS]

That's what this entire thread is about! Don't buy the HYPE, sell the FEAR!

Thats silly. The flu is officially a National Emergency and widespread pandemic. That is not propaganda its the blatant truth.

If you choose not to get vaccinated for your own beliefs thats fine. If you want to say your reasons that you feel others shouldn't get the vaccine then thats fine too. But spreading around videos to scare people that are mis-labeled as "girl's life ruined due to swine flu vaccine" when it was the normal flu shot as well as being a sketchy story in the first place is PURELY spreading propaganda. What's next, National Inquirer links?

[Darthvader]

Thats silly. The flu is officially a National Emergency and widespread pandemic. That is not propaganda its the blatant truth.

If you choose not to get vaccinated for your own beliefs thats fine. If you want to say your reasons that you feel others shouldn't get the vaccine then thats fine too. But spreading around videos to scare people that are mis-labeled as "girl's life ruined due to swine flu vaccine" when it was the normal flu shot as well as being a sketchy story in the first place is PURELY spreading propaganda. What's next, National Inquirer links?

Well the media is spreading rumors about people dying when it hasn't been determined exactly what they died from.

Isn't that the same thing? But it's OK because News10 and CNN are reputable? They never mention any of the other pre-existing things people die from, all you hear is they "had H1N1 when they died."

And half the people here have NO faith in the CDC but jump right on the bandwagon when it's a pandemic.

It's the flu like anything else, you don't need to get all upset about it.

[JLS]

Well that was never the discussion in this thread. We aren't posting links to deaths and news stories of things that might not have been from the H1N1. Your the only one posting bogus news links here...

"It's the flu like anything else" is not true in the case of this flu though. It is AS YOU STATED a "pandemic". And a scary one that seems to go after our children with asthma and pregnant women more-so then any "normal" flu would. People have a right to keep up with precautionary measures by discussing them in threads like this and the news.

[wreathlady]

That story is most likely bogus, do some research. Its been a hugely controversial case and all over the internet for a while now. Its not even about the swine flu vaccine but in regards to the normal flu shot. That video is just labeled for searches. There has been other video's done by quite a few other then this station in the video also that denote it.

Most dr's are using her for a poster girl of a different disease (thats basically in her head) that is not linked with the flu shot at all and as far as I know there has never been a recorded case of that disease ever with the flu shot.

If it is the flu shot then its 1 in a million chance. Those who fall ill with swine flu have alot more risk then 1 in a million in actually dying as well as spreading things to others. And if you don't get the vaccine this year then you have a HIGH chance of getting this virus. I'm not saying to run for the hills... just don't be extreme in believing arguments like this video.

Lets not spread around propaganda... If that is a real case then I'm sorry for her but it doesn't mean it was because of the flu shot. Trauma and things like emotional disturbances cause the disease most feel she has. And personally I wouldn't be surprised if its an elaborate hoax...

I have seen that video clip. Every vaccine can do that and we really do not know yet the side effects of the h1n1. We will not know for a few months at least or longer, it is too new.
Do not let that video change your mind if you are doing the vaccine. Gardisal has killed alot of kids and is still on the market. I would never give it to my kid , but whatever.
It is a tough decision. You have either do it and be comfortable or do not do it. There is alot of media hype on this now and yes kids are dying but if your kids do not go to preschool, school, no underlying conditions, then think about it. It is your decision. You are not a bad parent either way. You are doing what you think is right for your children. I think you told me to take precautions and then forget about it. You need to take you own advice. Make a decision, stick with it and be done. Good luck with whatever you decide.

[palango]

Per CDC, 19 kids died last week of H1N1. That was the most in one week. This is increasing trend is very worrisome.

On another note, 60 Minutes has a fascinating peice on the H1N1 vaccine Sunday night. I recommend that concerned parents watch it and do some further research rather than listening to some irrational, unscientific, fear mongering folks that are too dumb or to incapacitated to take this particular flu strain seriously.

[bordercolliefan]

Per CDC, 19 kids died last week of H1N1. That was the most in one week. This is increasing trend is very worrisome.

On another note, 60 Minutes has a fascinating peice on the H1N1 vaccine Sunday night. I recommend that concerned parents watch it and do some further research rather than listening to some irrational, unscientific, fear mongering folks that are too dumb or to incapacitated to take this particular flu strain seriously.

Palango, I agree with you, but I'm starting to wonder if all this talk about whether to vaccinate is academic. The UC Davis system doesn't have any vaccine yet. Meanwhile, the school is full of kids coughing, stuffy, feverish. I think we're more likely to encounter the germ in the next few weeks than the vaccine.

[Bill Z]

I got my flu shot like I do every year.

I'm not in fear of a pandemic, I just consider the vaccine the smart thing to do.

As modern medicine, science, & chemistry have saved my life, I'm a firm believer in using them. Are there risks?, yes, but I believe the risks are greater not using them.

So while I abhor the news frenzy making this out to be a big deal, I also believe in doing what is necessary to reduce the chances of getting it. I heard today that millions are expected to have already had the swine flu, but most only have normal mild flu symptoms, and the death count on children is up to 114. Sure would be nice if they told us what the death rate from any flu is likely to be at this early into the flu season. The number would likely show it's not much different.

[bordercolliefan]

I have to add: yet another statement from a public health official that has really offended me.

This morning an official came on and said something like, "There is not reason to panic. We are accustomed to having a certain level of casualties during flu season, so this is not new. It's just that a different age group is at risk with H1N1 than with seasonal flu."

Just?! Some of us think it's a MUCH bigger concern to have young people -- who have their whole lives ahead of them -- dying rather than the frail elderly. It's not that I don't value older people's lives, but most people recognize it as much more tragic when children die.

[palango]

http://www.bloomberg...id=aGpsHhxmS5uU

Some parents are opting not to give their children the vaccine, Columbia’s Redlener said, calling the decision “extremely misguided and dangerous.”

“There’s still a lot of resistance and a large number of families are electing not to give the vaccine to their children,” he said. “This should be a no-brainer, but there is a lot of misinformation.”

[Darthvader]

http://www.bloomberg...id=aGpsHhxmS5uU

Some parents are opting not to give their children the vaccine, Columbia’s Redlener said, calling the decision “extremely misguided and dangerous.”

“There’s still a lot of resistance and a large number of families are electing not to give the vaccine to their children,” he said. “This should be a no-brainer, but there is a lot of misinformation.”

Yeah there is a lot of mis-information on BOTH sides of this debate, or are you too incapacitated to realize that?

[wreathlady]

Palango, I agree with you, but I'm starting to wonder if all this talk about whether to vaccinate is academic. The UC Davis system doesn't have any vaccine yet. Meanwhile, the school is full of kids coughing, stuffy, feverish. I think we're more likely to encounter the germ in the next few weeks than the vaccine.

I have to agree with you. H1N1 is so widespread now, we are pretty much in trouble. the vaccine takes about 3 weeks to kick in, so it will be good for the winter wave, I guess.
No pediatricians office have it either. So I hope our kids will be ok.
They just had a Prinicipal in Alabama die. Poor thing. It just is not good.
All be careful tomorrow night with candy. Kids touching and then you touching. It stays on the wrapper for 8 hours.
But i guess it is no worse, like my daughter said, then going to the grocery store and people touching and hacking all over the food we buy. So Enjoy, but wash your hands.

[wreathlady]

I have to add: yet another statement from a public health official that has really offended me.

This morning an official came on and said something like, "There is not reason to panic. We are accustomed to having a certain level of casualties during flu season, so this is not new. It's just that a different age group is at risk with H1N1 than with seasonal flu."

Just?! Some of us think it's a MUCH bigger concern to have young people -- who have their whole lives ahead of them -- dying rather than the frail elderly. It's not that I don't value older people's lives, but most people recognize it as much more tragic when children die.

Actually, my mom got sick this year 2 days after her seasonal flu shot. I think she was exposed to h1n1 in her facility. Anyway she died. she has gotten them for years, but my dad ,too, got sick. Very unusual. Actually Canada did a study and CDC disputed, that the seasonal flu shot can make you more vulnerable for the h1n1 virus.
My grandson, who always gets seasonal flu got h1n1, too about a week later.
I think there is something with this, this year. Plus, I heard that this years seasonal is no match because it is all h1n1. So be careful, those of you that got the seasonal, interesting to see if you get the h1n1 virus. I think norma jeans family got sick with h1n1. I think the flu shot, in my own opinion, lowers your immunity and if you are susceptible to another virus, you will contract that virus easier.

[wreathlady]

Yeah there is a lot of mis-information on BOTH sides of this debate, or are you too incapacitated to realize that?

Yes there is a lot of misinformation on both sides. That is why people cannot make a decision.
Our government is so screwed up, they cannot give us a clear answer or they do know and wont tell. They knew this was coming. It was not like a big surprise or anything
They had months to keep Tamiflu going for children, but again they blew that too. they only made enough for adults. Hello, the kids are most apt to be sick, as we all know.
I am sick of the whole thing and I hope they get the vaccine for the people who want it. Too many children have died, granted 2/3 had underlying conditions. It does not matter, a life is a life, but the children need a chance and I do hope the vaccine will be the answer. I do not know about that either, but doing homework on it. there has not been enough time to evaluate the vaccine.

[normajean]

just read something last night (sorry can't remember the name nor author of the article) that stated this statistic:

using current numbers, of 10 million people vaccinated with h1n1, 22 will develop the guillian-barr (however it's spelled) syndrome from the vaccine.....not bad odds there.....

also stated you can NOT get this flu, nor any other flu, FROM the vaccine. you CAN get the flu from the doctor's office (door knobs, pen while signing in, chair handrail, etc) that you were in while receiving your vaccine.