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#31 wreathlady

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 08:45 AM

QUOTE (Michael Hughes @ May 21 2010, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
+1

I am in my late 20's and hate Folsom teenagers. All the time when I am out they are out there causing problems. I was over by Folsom Lake Bowl and there were some that were coming from the school and causing problems and shouting obscenities at people because they thought it was funny.

This is what our future of America is and damned if you will see me around for it.

I'll move to Canada first.


I just do not think it is in Folsom. It is everywhere, no matter where you go. Some kids are very obnoxious these days, due to so many factors, parents working or lack of working, money is very tight, and children these days just are not being taught properly at home.
If you look around it is not only the kids that are rude, it is adults, as well. I have never seen so many rude and stressed people. Very sad, sign of the times an it is going to get worse, too, if Arnie does what he says he is going to do. So you have not seen anything yet.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 08:54 AM

QUOTE (Redone @ May 21 2010, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
13 year old, that's a parenting problem.

( A growing problem in Folsom ??? that could be a new thread for sure )


Redone, not directed towards you, it was just a good quote.

You know what else is a huge problem? All of you, generalizing that it was the "carnies" or lightrail. Pull your heads out of your a$$es... You're whats wrong with this town.

#33 doj_gal

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 09:02 AM

QUOTE (Michael Hughes @ May 21 2010, 09:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And good wholesome families is key as well. Make sure you know your neighbors AND THEIR KIDS. If you know their kids are causing trouble let the parents know. I remember back in my day (granted I'm still the younger generation) if we were getting into trouble a parent would come out and either tell the lot of us to break it off or go get the other parent so both moms/dads would yell at us. The problem today is not as many parents are involved in their kids lives and I see this from people I know.

I may sound like a broken record on this but I do blame the parents. I cannot count the number of times I have been in Walmart in Folsom (I usually stop by a half dozen to dozen times per month depending on need) and have found teenagers acting up while they are in groups or with parents and the parents not saying anything. I have even seen teens dressed like little hookers with their parents and their parents let them go out of the house that way!!!!!!

Can we get our innocence back to a more tolerable level?

I am about the same age as you and I agree. Parents need to be more involved with their kids. Instead todays parents ship them off to daycare at every chance possible or put them in front of the t.v/video games.

I was lucky to have a stay at home mom that kept us BUSY! I played every sport and did every extra curricular activity possible. My mom took us on what we called adventures every single day, most which were free. She found every way to have us experience things with little to no money and we barely ever watched t.v.

Unfortunately, I am not the stay at home mom for my son. But my hubby in the last few months has really been trying to do this with our young son. He takes him to the farmers market and walks every day. On my days off, I take him to the park , visit with family (his cousins) , go to library readings or any type of cheap/free event in the greater sacramento area.

You have to keep your kids busy. They will get bored and do things like this. Also, if you notice your child has some mental issues, please take them to the doctor and have them evaluated. I am soooo sick of parents not admitting their child have issues or not taking any steps to help.

A family I use to let my son play with, has a child that is extremely violent, not just the boys will be boys rough and tuff! He is just mean for not reason and has a very limited vocabulary, practically non-existent. I thought her child was demonstrating signs of Autism. I have a cousin who teaches children with Autism so I am very familiar with what issues occur. Anyways, her son attacked my son one day and was sitting on his chest full force punching my son in the head like a UFC fighter! Luckily, my son was not hurt but it was very scary to witness a 2.5 year old behave that way. My hubby did not take that well and neither did the other family. Sadly, we are no longer friends because they will not accept that her son has issues and should be checked out!

Overall, you need to have your children evaluated if they have signs of violence, keep them busy engaged in positive activities and turn off the D@MN T.V./video games!


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Posted 21 May 2010 - 09:15 AM

I don't think we need to keep kids busy. I think we keep them too busy and that's part of the problem. They expect to be entertained 24/7, never learning how to deal with boredom or creating their own entertainment -- positive entertainment.

I think the problem is low expectations. We (collectively as parents, society, whatever) don't expect enough from our kids. We don't expect them to earn things, to behave, to not swear in front of little kids, to dress respectfully or the like. Our kids, on the other hand, expect everything of us. They don't just expect us to feed, clothe and educate them. They expect us to entertain them, make them popular, clothe them in style, provide cars and cellphones and to give them everything. If we don't, we'll hurt their self-esteem or they'll get laughed at.

This comes from us, as parents, who buy into the idea that it's good for them to get a trophy for just showing up for a season, for getting treat bags/gifts at every birthday party - not just their own, and for waking them up every morning/doing their homework for them so they don't get a bad grade ever. In our quest to smooth out life's wrinkles for them we taken away the learning experiences and have replaced it with an expectation that THEY don't have to do jack, that THEY aren't really responsible for anything.

As a parent, I fight this within myself every single day.

So I try my best to not navigate life for them. If there are other kids around mine swearing, I try to screw up my courage and ask them to respect my kids and keep the language clean. When I see others behaving in ways I don't want my kids to, I try to show my kids what NOT to do, what I expect them to avoid doing. They're young, so we'll see how successful that is, but so far, so good and fingers crossed!

#35 doj_gal

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 09:54 AM

CW68...I agree. I am not trying to parent where I provide everything for my son either but at this point (18 months) it's almost a given that I do. Time will tell how my parenting skills will develop.

I do not agree with people letting children fend for themselves. Unfortunately, you have to provide guidance (and not entertain with crap like clothes, cellphones etc) but give them outlets to blow off steam. Sports and educational things should be a must to help develop your child. You cannot 24/7 entertain or provide them with everything but you can 24/7 educate and that I fear is where we don't agree.

Most parents I have witnessed are involved so much with their own lives, agendas, work and activities. They fail to recognize that they even had a child and that their job is to guide them to adulthood, not to worry about their own desires as much. That is why you see most tweens and teens obsessed with clothing, electronic gadgets and being cool. They look to t.v. (aka babysitter) and other children for what is cool, the norm and acceptable behavior. I've watched a few tween shows and I was appauled by their language, behavior and attitude towards eachother, teachers and adults! It was horrible.

I on the other hand, was kept so busy with educational/sports activities that those things (t.v., gadgets, being cool) did not matter...nor still do to this day. I wore clothes from the goodwill and mervyns because that is what we could afford. I was provided with all the basics and was told that if I wanted anything additional I would work for it. I was not given extravagant gifts for chores, good grades, graduating, playing well in sports, those were expected, as exceeding in life should be. We even worked as a family, selling mistletoe to earn our Christmas presents.

I never went without nor felt that I did. My mother kept our focus elsewhere and I am thankful everyday that she kept us busy. We are all (4 children) very sucessful, both professionally and in our personal lives. Keeping your children busy is not what is wrong with kids today. The lack of it is though. Obesity, violence and overall lack of respect is due to making your kids....fend for themselves!

I am not suggesting this is the only way to parent either. Each way has it's strong points. However, something has to change in order to keep things like this from happening. A 13 should not be stabbing an innocent person!

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 09:58 AM

That kid is destined for the carnival.
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:02 AM

Wow, cw68 you nailed it! Your kid(s) are lucky.

BTW as to the attacks on the parents - yeah something went wrong in a bad way here but didn't they suspect the kid and turn him in? That isnt a failure. Maybe the kid has mental issues that need to be addressed. Maybe kid has a sense of self-entitlement vs. stepping up responsibly and earning achievement or rewards.

Hopefully the manager will recover quickly and this teenager gets straightened out.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:04 AM

QUOTE (doj_gal @ May 21 2010, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
CW68...I agree. I am not trying to parent where I provide everything for my son either but at this point (18 months) it's almost a given that I do. Time will tell how my parenting skills will develop.

I do not agree with people letting children fend for themselves. Unfortunately, you have to provide guidance (and not entertain with crap like clothes, cellphones etc) but give them outlets to blow off steam. Sports and educational things should be a must to help develop your child. You cannot 24/7 entertain or provide them with everything but you can 24/7 educate and that I fear is where we don't agree.

Most parents I have witnessed are involved so much with their own lives, agendas, work and activities. They fail to recognize that they even had a child and that their job is to guide them to adulthood, not to worry about their own desires as much. That is why you see most tweens and teens obsessed with clothing, electronic gadgets and being cool. They look to t.v. (aka babysitter) and other child for what is cool, the norm and acceptable behavior. I've watched a few tween shows and I was appauled by their language, behavior and attitude towards eachother, teachers and adults! It was horrible.

I on the other hand, was kept so busy with educational/sports activities that those things (t.v., gadgets, being coll) did not matter...nor still do to this day. I wore clothes from the goodwill and mervyns because that is what we could afford. I was provide with all the basics and was told that if I wanted anything additional I would work for it. I was not given extravagant gifts for chores, good grades, graduating, playing well in sports, those were expected, as should exceeding in life should be. We even worked as a family, selling mistletoe to earn our Christmas presents.

I never went without nor felt that I did. My mother kept our focus elsewhere and I am thankful everyday that she kept us busy. We are all (4 children) very sucessful in life both professionally and in our personal lives. Keeping your children busy is not what is wrong with kids today. The lack of it is though. Obesity, violence and overall lack of respect is due to making your kids....fend for themselves!

And I agree with what you're saying too.

The tween shows are horrible! My kids know what I don't want them watching and why. I've often brought up how the characters treat each other and have told them just how irritating/angry the show's soundtrack sounds.

I don't want them fending for themselves, I want them to be responsible for themselves and their actions. I think having them do chores and things around the house shows them that they are productive members of a whole. They are responsible for getting their homework done, it's not their parent's job to ask them every day if they've done it -- it's their job to show us it's done. That kind of stuff. Hopefully I'm showing them responsibility.

One time I heard that allowance isn't for doing chores, that you do chores as part of "life's rent." "Life's rent" is a constant, no matter whose roof you're under. I liked that. "Life's rent" is a concept that my kids know. It's doing work around the house, doing well in school, behaving appropriately, participating, respecting others, and generally just being a good egg. That's the minimum that's expected.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:05 AM

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You sure about that?

It hasn't hit the text highway....

And normally....this would.

I guess you missed the news post.
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:15 AM

Kids need to resolve issues on their own (sharing, disagreements etc) and if needed, parents stepping in to help if getting out of hand. This teaches them to stand up for themselves, not to be bullied (or to bully others) and to be fair.

I hate that everyone gets a trophy -- team sports teach winners and losers. Losing can be the best lesson that one has to try harder or smarter. When you win because you worked hard at it, you will feel a much bigger warmth of doing something great. Olympians lose by fractions of a second. They want to win but if they did their best, they can handle the loss and possibly consider working harder, studying better techniques bu they can feel good that they tried and had fun attempting to win.

Home from school with nothing to do? was a question I never wanted to hear as a kid because my parents FOUND things for me to do like clean room, sweep the driveway, shovel snow etc so i was on my bike, building forts, going to the beach, skiing or whatever. I did my chores and loved TV but because there was barely a VCR and basic cable, there wasnt 24x7 TV with 200+ channels and a DVR to watch what you missed. You watched your favorite shows when they came on and if you missed it, too bad wait for a re-run. Atari was it for gaming...get sick of that after a short time. Play until dark or dinner was on.

The one thing with it takes a village to raise a child that makes sense is that I didnt have parents with two eyes. I had thousands of eyes and if I messed up (cutting across someones lawn, disturbing a neighbor, driving poorly, being rude at the market), my parents knew about it....AND so did I! I wasn't perfect and still not but I hope that I am improving. Never been to jail, never arrested other than a speeding ticket, never totalled a car, failed to pay taxes, don't do illegal drugs and I hope my son follows that guidance.

Hmm looking back, I need to think more 1980 (yep OldSchooler-esque) in regards to DVR, TV limits, computing and get more Vitamin D. It's going to be 78 today and partly sunny -- get out and enjoy it and play or socialize with friends and neighbors.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:24 AM

eVader...your awesome. This is exactly what I experienced and meant!

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:25 AM

So, sorry to be off topic here but any new updates on how the man is doing?

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:35 AM

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eVader...your awesome. This is exactly what I experienced and meant!

Exactly! Me too. That's what I'd love to see more of! So any of y'all: if you see my kids misbehaving, let them -- and me -- know it. smile.gif

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:46 AM

I just hope the kid was not a boy scout...they are taught to use knives carefully.

thats all the scouts need is a ban on all kids from having knives and I can see that law coming once the news gets down town..

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:48 AM

QUOTE (Michael Hughes @ May 21 2010, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
+1

I am in my late 20's and hate Folsom teenagers. All the time when I am out they are out there causing problems. I was over by Folsom Lake Bowl and there were some that were coming from the school and causing problems and shouting obscenities at people because they thought it was funny.

This is what our future of America is and damned if you will see me around for it.

I'll move to Canada first.


While some teenagers can cause problems, not ALL of them should be disliked. We need to pray for these kids & their parents. It would be wonderful to see our community go back to 1 parent being at home and 1 parent working. I realize that's not always going to happen (I've been a single mom before), but those kids do need parents to spend time with them. They need a secure & stable home environment to come home to everyday.




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