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[2kids4me]

Yeah, I know. That's why I said it might be good to have an anonymous listing. If someone really wants employees held accountable (or their supervisors, for approving the time), they need to know the specific employee. I do think it would be sufficient to say employee #7873728, or whatever.

Like I said before, knowing the specific employee's name is all about being nosy.

[ducky]

Yeah, I know. That's why I said it might be good to have an anonymous listing. If someone really wants employees held accountable (or their supervisors, for approving the time), they need to know the specific employee. I do think it would be sufficient to say employee #7873728, or whatever.

Like I said before, knowing the specific employee's name is all about being nosy.

Okay. I got it. I agree. Great idea of employee numbers instead of names.

[doj_gal]

I think the people that push this issue, are those who could not make it as a state employee or city worker

That is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time! Seriously...you think working for the state is more difficult than the private sector? How about than being self-employed? Good luck with that...

....would be like me saying, people who work for the state couldn't make it in the private sector...oh wait...you get FIRED for incompetence in the private sector, not given a glowing review to get you out of your current position so somebody else in another department can deal with you. While there are many hardworking state workers, there is a disproportionately large group of "deadwood."

Oh, and I never said I thought it was a good idea or right to list any personal information, but I would want to know if say a trash collector..er, waste removal specialist made 90k a year with all his benes and retirement...the problem is that these wage and benefit negotiations are often done behind closed doors with the unions sitting on both sides of the table.... THAT is what is bankrupting cities all over the state.

Have you worked for the city or state...or are your assumptions based on myths, heresay or stories glorified by the media?

I have worked for the GOVT(military), private sector, we have been running a business for almost 2 years and I currently work for the state. I am a hard worker and always find ways to make money and have been doing this since I was young. The different sectors all have their fair share of good and bad. I like how private sector runs things. Sweet, short and to the point. I just do not like that they take American jobs and ship them overseas or find a younger person to take the job and layoff experience. Often times, I was the younger person whom took the job of a middle-age person with a family. Ultimately, I just have not found a job in the private sector that I feel makes a difference like my current job does.


I am simply suggesting this to the people whom complain....I am sick of hearing it. Either do something about it, write your represenatives or basically STFU. People get fired for incompetence or missing work at the state. It's happened 3 times this year where I work alone. And in a unit with just over 25 people...3 is a lot!!! Glowing reviews really? I have seen some bad ones. I once got a negative mark on my yearly review from one tiny situation that should have never been on it but then again it was only one review and my work speaks for itself. I get great reviews but that is because I am reliable, work at my best level at all times and produce quality work in record time. Yes, I run circles around people but I did this in the private sector too. Also, if you do not perform, you do not get a raise like every seems to think that we do. I have never been denied for a raise but there are some who do.

I do not know of any trash collectors that make 90k. I think our janitors make 1900-2300 a month before taxes and withholdings. So after that, they maybe bring home 1500 a month...Yeah, I do not think that is a great salary. Oh and that was before the furloughs...Our monthly salary is a joke but the long term benifits are where I will recoup the 12,000 per year pay cut I experienced when I started working for the state.

Actually, all of our negotions are on the SEIU website and believe me if you understand all the proposed take aways, you would understand that most of us are not rolling in the $$$. Of course the media tries to get the private sector all fired up by displaying these high salaries but most make 30-50k before taxes. I have been willing to take cuts in order to save my job and have planned for this in case that I do get layed off.

Overall, I am not suggesting that there should not be some type of reform. DOJ has done tons of reorganizations and consolidations. I think that this is definetly a step in the right direction but to say we are lazy or deadwood (when I think you meant dead weight)....you are just plain wrong.

Okay, to contradict myself, I just thought of a reason for specific names, or possibly listing individual employees with an anonymous identifier. Overtime. In the time I worked for the govt, the amount of wasted money on overtime was disgusting. That might be something they should be held accountable for.

I agree and they have done huge reforms to not only the process but actually allowing OT. It's near non-existent these days.

[john]

I'm willing to bet that EDF is interested due to the salary scandal in Bell, CA. Just a city that left salaries unchecked and unaccounted for over the years. I don't think it's a witch hunt, just someone interested to make sure Folsom is not taking advantage of the system, which I would assume it's not.

http://www.washingto...0072402548.html

[doj_gal]

I'm willing to bet that EDF is interested due to the salary scandal in Bell, CA. Just a city that left salaries unchecked and unaccounted for over the years. I don't think it's a witch hunt, just someone interested to make sure Folsom is not taking advantage of the system, which I would assume it's not.

http://www.washingto...0072402548.html

Okay...I agree with EDF...this situation is absolutely ridiculous. When unchecked, people do some crazy stuff. I feel for the people of Bell. Hopefully, they get to the bottom of this(legally and financially) and get their $$$ back. I think the county should be ran more like the state. We have guidelines of pay...once you are maxed out you do not get anymore and there is a certain range of pay that is allowed.

[l479]

Here! I found this for you at the FCUSD website in the Human Resource Department. Take a look. It's all here. http://www.fcusd.org..._department.htm

[supermom]

I'm willing to bet that EDF is interested due to the salary scandal in Bell, CA. Just a city that left salaries unchecked and unaccounted for over the years. I don't think it's a witch hunt, just someone interested to make sure Folsom is not taking advantage of the system, which I would assume it's not.

http://www.washingto...0072402548.html

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Mmm, almost $200,000- public officials whom are representing less than 80,000 residents.
Seems a wee steep, to me.

[MikeinFolsom]

I think it is just the Folsom way. Keeping up with the Jonses. I want to know how much they paid for their house. I want to know how much they paid for their car. I want to know how much they paid for their vacation. How in the heck do they afford it? I gotta know....I gotta know.

Salaries are listed on the city website. I've seen them myself to see what particular positions earn what whenever there is a job listing on the website. Pretty handy tool, and I'm not that computer savvy. Do I really care what my neighbor makes, down to the penny? Nope. Do I care how much they paid for their two brand new jet skis? Nope. Too bad that there ARE some out there that lose sleep over stuff like that.

Positions and salaries..........I agree. Seeing my neighbor's pay stubs every month? Not my business. Some people need to focus on getting a more interesting life, I guess?

Oh yeah, the city's OT policy is 1.5/hr. Do I need to know how many OT hours my neighbor gets too? Again, I've got better things to do.

[2kids4me]

The problem with OT is when they abuse it. Sometimes people work a ridiculous amount of overtime, which could almost be considered stealing. Where I worked many people worked OT that was not necessary, or to bank up time off to be used later (for months off).

eta: I have seen lower level employees make much more than the top manager, because of their OT. That's a problem.

I still don't think individual names should be listed, but I do think a unique identifier can be used.

[Redone]

The problem with OT is when they abuse it. Sometimes people work a ridiculous amount of overtime, which could almost be considered stealing. Where I worked many people worked OT that was not necessary, or to bank up time off to be used later (for months off).

eta: I have seen lower level employees make much more than the top manager, because of their OT. That's a problem.

I still don't think individual names should be listed, but I do think a unique identifier can be used.

OT is stealing ?
If a lower level employee makes more than their manager due to OT , they earned every dollar since they had to give up more of their life for the extra money.

[2kids4me]

OT is stealing ?
If a lower level employee makes more than their manager due to OT , they earned every dollar since they had to give up more of their life for the extra money.

Not always. I hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of deceptive employees. Plus there are a lot of very inefficient employees who must work overtime because they can't get their job done in a normal day - like their coworkers.

I am speaking from experience. I have seen so many disgusting wastes of govt money it would make your head spin. I saw a lot of GREAT employees who work very hard, but I saw many, many more that were worthless and would never make it in the private sector.

If an employee is making more than their supervisor, that is an indication that there is a problem that must be fixed.

Oh, also, many people don't have much of a life to give up, so they would prefer to work OT. Trust me, it's true.

[MikeinFolsom]

Accountability? All for it. Being nosy? Not for me. It sure sounds like it for you. Identity problems, I'm seeing. Drive on with it!!!!

Interesting note........the salaries that are mostly in question, top managers for instance, are supposed to be governed by a board that reviews said salaries. 31 in all, i think the board numbers. Do they still have their jobs?

Like I said, all of Folsom's salaries are on the net.

I'm outta here.

[That Guy]

Theere was a story in the Sac Bee last Friday (I think) that had all the City Manager salareis for the local region. Folsom was pretty much middle of the pack at about $216,000 (working off my memory) and had gone up 5.4% over the last two years. Relative to other cities Folsom seemed to be pretty reasonable. I guess some could think that is too much, I don't know, if it is the going salary then that is what we should pay, I think. Of course this was just base salry, no benefits, which is another story altogether.

[just a guy]

I can understand the frustration with the economy being the way that it is right now. But it seems all to convenient that when we were making hand over fist in the private sector and buying all of our toys no one really cared what these public employees were making. Now that we have seen a decrease in our income due to the economic down fall we all want to beat down the public sector. These are the men and women that while they are making decent money and continue to do so, they weren’t raking in the big money like the private sector that caused an inflated economy through the housing market that had no structure to fall back on.
Someone also gave the analogies that “Unlike any private sector purchase, as a taxpayer, I cannot shop for best price or best value for my money.” To this person I say you may want to talk to you Realtor because your disclosures when you bought your house should have told you about the schools and other amenities in the area. I know when I bought my house I checked to see where my kids would be going to school, what the crime rate and response times for the police where and what type of fire protection I could expect. These things were important to me and I understand that in order for them to work properly I, as a taxpayer, need to pay for their upkeep and ability to attract quality employees to meet the standards that brought me to the area.
I think that we need to stop fighting amongst ourselves with this mentality that I’m not making as much so you should have to suffer also. It seems all we are doing is perpetuating the problem. If we decrease everyone’s pay and the prices of goods remain the same no one will be able to afford anything and this economy will continue to fall. I mean look at how well the furlough of State Employees worked out. All they managed to do was close the doors of small businesses in Downtown Sacramento ( downtown was a ghost town on furlough days) and put more people out of work and relying an state assistance therefore increasing the states problem up with funds. In order for us to get out of this someone needs to make money and they need to be willing to spend that money otherwise we are all doomed.