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[caligirlz]

Maybe you need to invert the problem.

The downhill adds to the speeding so that the speeding is not just high it is extreme. Maybe that's why the cops are there.

I've seen people doing at least 70 in both locations.

(Braking is harder in those circumstances, making it more dangerous for a given speed.)

Yep, me too. I've seen people doing what appears to be 70 at this exact location.

[Michael Hughes]

I factually disagree with a fair bit of this thread.

I agree with the term 'Speed Trap'. Yes you have breaks. Yes you should not be speeding.

However, why not do it on level ground. Why not have someone on the hill and pull you over on the hill. The way they do it IS meant to trap people. A former co-worker of mine worked for CHP prior to coming here and said they were advised how to implement these 'traps' and where do do them. He also said the 'quota' was indeed factual. There would even be internal bets amongst colleagues about who could bag the most motorists after the first.

Not to say it is our right to speed. If we speed we will get caught.

However, there is more than meets the eye.

Also speeding is not the problem. So for several of you who said 'good job' I may agree with you on the Costco downhill situation (someone should not be speeding down that hill).

However, on both city streets and highways they have done studies. I was watching a documentary and in London as an example, adding speed cameras and decreasing the speed limit from 70 (on highways) and adding speed cameras on city streets resulted in NO less fatalities. And accidents themselves were only down 1%. Yes that is 1%, however, for all intents and purposes everything was identical. It is the reckless driving and the stop sign running that kills people not the speeding.

On Wednesday, I was at Sams Club and watched as the police pulled over someone speeding and three cars ran the light going uphill towards Costco. The third one that went through almost caused an accident. However, typically it is the speeders they are pulling over.

[ducky]

I factually disagree with a fair bit of this thread.

I agree with the term 'Speed Trap'. Yes you have breaks. Yes you should not be speeding.

However, why not do it on level ground. Why not have someone on the hill and pull you over on the hill. The way they do it IS meant to trap people. A former co-worker of mine worked for CHP prior to coming here and said they were advised how to implement these 'traps' and where do do them. He also said the 'quota' was indeed factual. There would even be internal bets amongst colleagues about who could bag the most motorists after the first.

Not to say it is our right to speed. If we speed we will get caught.

However, there is more than meets the eye.

Also speeding is not the problem. So for several of you who said 'good job' I may agree with you on the Costco downhill situation (someone should not be speeding down that hill).

However, on both city streets and highways they have done studies. I was watching a documentary and in London as an example, adding speed cameras and decreasing the speed limit from 70 (on highways) and adding speed cameras on city streets resulted in NO less fatalities. And accidents themselves were only down 1%. Yes that is 1%, however, for all intents and purposes everything was identical. It is the reckless driving and the stop sign running that kills people not the speeding.

On Wednesday, I was at Sams Club and watched as the police pulled over someone speeding and three cars ran the light going uphill towards Costco. The third one that went through almost caused an accident. However, typically it is the speeders they are pulling over.

It is the speeding that is the problem. That's why many people gun it through a yellow/red light when what they should be doing is stopping. They've put themselves in a position where they would skid halfway into the intersection if they tried to stop because of their excessive speed.

[Sandman]

If you think about it very few get written up compared to the actual number of violators on a daily basis. THey physically cant write tickets for eveyone that speeds. What DOES get people to slow down and think about their speed is just the presence of officers sitting in areas were people are more prone to speed (like downhill). THe London study is crap. Drives don't notice cameras, so why would they slow down? Cameras are useless in that regard and only good for issuing tickets. YOu need officer presence on the streets to get people to slow down.

[Michael Hughes]

It is the speeding that is the problem. That's why many people gun it through a yellow/red light when what they should be doing is stopping. They've put themselves in a position where they would skid halfway into the intersection if they tried to stop because of their excessive speed.

Ducky I agree with you to an extent but speed in moderation

[folsom500]

It is the speeding that is the problem. That's why many people gun it through a yellow/red light when what they should be doing is stopping. They've put themselves in a position where they would skid halfway into the intersection if they tried to stop because of their excessive speed.

I would bet most drivers have often 'gunned it' on a yellow light even going the speed limit for 2 reasons.

1. They do not want to get caught sitting at the light.
2. They feel they are going too fast ( even at the speed limit) to safely stop.

And just remember - it is front tires over the white line before the light turns red... not the safest thing to do but sometimes required.

I am a very defensive driver and never gun it when the light changes from Red to Green as I know that can be fatal or at least ruin your day..

[giacomo]

I would bet most drivers have often 'gunned it' on a yellow light even going the speed limit for 2 reasons.

1. They do not want to get caught sitting at the light.
2. They feel they are going too fast ( even at the speed limit) to safely stop.

And just remember - it is front tires over the white line before the light turns red... not the safest thing to do but sometimes required.

I am a very defensive driver and never gun it when the light changes from Red to Green as I know that can be fatal or at least ruin your day..

Believe it or not they call it "green light running"....motorists who try to time the light to change from Red to Green so they don't have to come to a stop (who knows maybe they are trying to save their brake pads?) Agree, very dangerous. I wait almost a second before going w/ green as there have been times when a car is extremely late and runs red light.
Slow Down Folsom, you'll be better (and healthier) for it.

[ducky]

I would bet most drivers have often 'gunned it' on a yellow light even going the speed limit for 2 reasons.

1. They do not want to get caught sitting at the light.
2. They feel they are going too fast ( even at the speed limit) to safely stop.

And just remember - it is front tires over the white line before the light turns red... not the safest thing to do but sometimes required.

I am a very defensive driver and never gun it when the light changes from Red to Green as I know that can be fatal or at least ruin your day..

I'll add another one to your list

3. Having to go through a yellow you were able to stop for because you're afraid the driver tailgating you wouldn't have enough time to stop before occupying the same space as the back quarter to half of your vehicle.

[Darth Lefty]

If you don't gun it going up or down the costco hill then you can't get much or any hang time when you jump the train tracks.

[ducky]

If you don't gun it going up or down the costco hill then you can't get much or any hang time when you jump the train tracks.

Was that you in the Chevy Sonic doing the barrel roll acroos the tracks with "We Are Young," blaring? You weren't supposed to try that at home unless you're professional stunt driver