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[2 Aces]

It appears we have a couple people on this thread (UncleLib and Who_Dem) who have fallen victim to the Democrat's *brainwashing* strategy. How weak. How pathetic. See below.

 

[The Average Joe]

Yeah, systems were in place to prevent this violent asshat from obtaining a weapon, BUT THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWED.  This fault lies solely on the government.  Laws WERE there to prevent this. they were ignored or missed by incompetence (at least I hope it ws only incompetence).

 

As far as Trump "rescinding" mental heath check laws. That is mostly bogus. It only applied to the SSA reporting on members receiving disability benefits that were found incompetent to manage their finances. It did NOT apply to those with documented mental health issues
 

Under federal law, individuals “committed to any mental institution” or “adjudicated as a mental defective” by a court, board, commission or other lawful authority are prohibited from purchasing or possessing a gun.

 

Obviously, the military crewed the pooch on reporting his violent tendencies revealed during his court martial

 

ALSO, you should thank the NRA as opposed to trying to vilify them as it was an NRA member and former instructor that ran out of his house with his own weapon and shot the piece of s---e.  Note that the shooter was NOT an NRA member, nor was he a "bitter clinger."  He was a devout atheist, a sexual predator,  an animal abuser, a wife and child abuser and (according to some reports) a supporter of socialism and Bernie Sanders. Also a dem voter.  Hard to pin this on the right wing...

 

He was a broken brained human being. When we figure out what to do with THOSE people, we won't have to worry about gun issues.

[Chris]

Yes, multiple failures of big government, the loony bin he escaped from, the USAF not reporting into the system, and him being allowed to get a rifle when he should not have been.   No "new" laws would have prevented this.  Following existing laws would have.  Failure, not of the NRA, not of law abiding citizens, failure of big government.  Chris

[Chris]

All law enforcement costs, funeral arrangements,

and family compensation should come out of NRA dues!

 

Hey Tio Vinny, did you know the guy who, from across the street, in his own home, heard gunfire, came to the aid of the church folks, was an NRA handgun instructor, shot the guy twice as he came out of the church....!   Put one right in his side between his body armor.  Hey man, good shot as they say.....!     And trust me, if you are an NRA instructor you know how to handle a hand gun.  So maybe you owe the NRA and our legally armed citizens apology for your astounding ignorance....?  I won't hold my breath....   Chris

 

Oh, the face of the NRA, of a good man, of a hero.  Listen and learn.

[Who_Do_You_Trust]

 

 

He was a broken brained human being. When we figure out what to do with THOSE people, we won't have to worry about gun issues.

 

Unfortunately, THOSE people enjoy all the protections of the Bill of Rights just like you and I.  Even if you figure out who they are, there's little you can do about it, until they commit a crime.  The Las Vegas shooter had no criminal record, nor any indication of abnormal behavior.  All he had was access to lots of firearms.

[2 Aces]

Who_Dem lied yesterday when he said Trump rescinded all mental health reporting laws. He lied. THAT is reason enough to question and/or disregard everything he says.

 

[ghost35me]

But for the Left and the Obama administration, the 'legal' purchase by the shooter was enabled.  Nice work Left.

 

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[Who_Do_You_Trust]

But for the Left and the Obama administration, the 'legal' purchase by the shooter was enabled.  Nice work Left.

 

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You really don't get it.  You need to blame the shooter only.  If the highway dept makes a freeway absolutely straight, it enables you to drive 130 mph.  And then you drive 130 mph and cause an accident.  Do we blame the highway dept for "enabling" you to drive 130 mph?  No, the fault is entirely yours.   Lose the "enable" angle.  It doesn't work.

[ghost35me]

No, you don't get it.  If you have gun control that leaves people defenseless, you have casualties that could have been prevented.  If you have porous borders that allow terrorists into the country, you have these events.  If you have sanctuaries that allow criminals to escape proper process, you have these events.  If you choose not to enforce systems that supposedly in place to keep firearms from being purchased by what your call the mentally ill, then these events happen.  If you fight actions that are intended to augment preventative systems, these events will happen. 

 

The Left tries to blame the Right, the NRA, inanimate objects and all manner of things under the sun for these events.  Well, guess, what the Left has the actual culpability right along with the shooter. But like most realities, the Left will just disregard it. Typical.  MAGA tries to protect the country.  The Left is trying to enable the opposite. The shooter is to blame for the shooting. But the Left sure makes it easy for these things to happen.

 

I understand that the Left considers everything rainbows and unicorns.  But these stupid polices of the Left have consequences.  There is no free lunch (despite the continued push by the Left to find and provide it).  The Left should accept the consequences of their decisions.  Reality sucks. Deal with it.

[Chris]

Tio Vinny, did you watch the guys video....?   The hero, the guy who shot the bad guy, the NRA instructor, who ran from his safe home to help others, armed.....?    Any "God" moments there for you...?   There should be for sure....!  Come on, admit to us you watched it and did not have a tear in the corner of your eye....!   I bet you did, just like me.  This is the face of the NRA....!   Chris

 

[Who_Do_You_Trust]

No, you don't get it.  If you have gun control that leaves people defenseless, you have casualties that could have been prevented.  If you have porous borders that allow terrorists into the country, you have these events.  If you have sanctuaries that allow criminals to escape proper process, you have these events.  If you choose not to enforce systems that supposedly in place to keep firearms from being purchased by what your call the mentally ill, then these events happen.  If you fight actions that are intended to augment preventative systems, these events will happen. 

 

The Left tries to blame the Right, the NRA, inanimate objects and all manner of things under the sun for these events.  Well, guess, what the Left has the actual culpability right along with the shooter. But like most realities, the Left will just disregard it. Typical.  MAGA tries to protect the country.  The Left is trying to enable the opposite. The shooter is to blame for the shooting. But the Left sure makes it easy for these things to happen.

 

I understand that the Left considers everything rainbows and unicorns.  But these stupid polices of the Left have consequences.  There is no free lunch (despite the continued push by the Left to find and provide it).  The Left should accept the consequences of their decisions.  Reality sucks. Deal with it.

 

In no way am I suggesting that we have gun control that leaves people defenseless.  I own a firearm, and wouldn't like it.  I'm suggesting that we keep firearms out of the hands of crazy people.

 

And you are saying we already had laws that would have prevented the Texas shooting if those laws were followed.  Not true.  There was no law that required the Air Force to report the shooter's name to the federal database.  The problem being there is no alignment between the UCMJ and civilian justice procedures.  There won't be a trial for failure to report,  no one will go to jail for failure to report.  There was no law.  

 

And the "guns everywhere" strategy really doesn't make people safer, and actually takes away some of my freedom.  I will never again go to an outdoor event where there are tall buildings close by (like in Vegas).  Will you ever go to one again? 

 

Finally, you can continue to blame the wrong people for tragedies like this.  Remember, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.  And you don't seem to offer any solutions, just blame.  Maybe you should run for office.  Just hope that you or someone in your family doesn't become a victim. 

 

This will be my last post on this topic.

[2 Aces]

 
I'm suggesting that we keep firearms out of the hands of crazy people.

 
And how would you have kept guns out of the hands of the Las Vegas shooter, since you deemed him to be crazy after the fact??
 
Your rhetoric on the topic is *all over the map*.  And your prior dishonesty about Trump and the mental health reporting issue exposed you as a liar. Go away.

[ghost35me]

 

In no way am I suggesting that we have gun control that leaves people defenseless.  I own a firearm, and wouldn't like it.  I'm suggesting that we keep firearms out of the hands of crazy people.

 

And you are saying we already had laws that would have prevented the Texas shooting if those laws were followed.  Not true.  There was no law that required the Air Force to report the shooter's name to the federal database.  The problem being there is no alignment between the UCMJ and civilian justice procedures.  There won't be a trial for failure to report,  no one will go to jail for failure to report.  There was no law.  

 

And the "guns everywhere" strategy really doesn't make people safer, and actually takes away some of my freedom.  I will never again go to an outdoor event where there are tall buildings close by (like in Vegas).  Will you ever go to one again? 

 

Finally, you can continue to blame the wrong people for tragedies like this.  Remember, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.  And you don't seem to offer any solutions, just blame.  Maybe you should run for office.  Just hope that you or someone in your family doesn't become a victim. 

 

This will be my last post on this topic.

 

I'm saying that it appears the Left blocked legislation that would have facilitated fixing the broken process between the military and NICS.  

 

That being said, that's just a (ineffective) check and balance.  The shooter lied on the form that would have DQ'ed him from the purchase.  And the Left has admitted to not following through these these illegal purchases. They know that it happens and don't care.  Because behind all this, we know these laws don't work anyway.  The only constrain law abiding citizens and that's the real intent of the Left. Control over the citizens.

 

I am blaming the shooter for the shooting. But in general, I'm also blaming the Left for leaving people defenseless when they could otherwise defend themselves.  I'm part of the solution -- I'm fully supportive of retaining the full rights of a person.  You seek to constrain them.  The Left has a history of getting an inch and taking a mile.  No more. The Right is tired of that BS.  Not one more inch.  Fix the problems without any infringements of rights.  Until you have a solution that's not on the slippery slope, go away.   The laws in CA would be ridiculous and comic if not for the tragedy it wrecks upon our rights.  If you know what's going on, you know how stupid and idiotic the CA laws are.  That's how we now perceive the Left. The Left has ZERO credibility for any solutions it proposes in this space.  

 

If I or someone in my family is a victim, it won't be because we aren't prepared to defend ourselves by being dependent some other entity whose is to respond to crime, not prevent it.

 

I'm comfortable where I go as long as I retain my rights.  Nothing has changed for me.

 

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