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#31 anonymous

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 12:58 PM

If he didn't do it, it's a shame that his credibility would be tainted forever. I used the word "if" specifically because we don't know the facts of the case - End Quote


If he did not do it than so much more than his credibility is ruined. He will be personally devastated and financially ruined. He will lose trust for others, the system and probably have post traumatic stress disorder. His family and those who love him will suffer a great deal as well. It is wrong to minimize the after effects of being wrongfully accused.

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#32 Dave Burrell

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:04 PM

QUOTE(anonymous @ Aug 30 2005, 11:14 AM)
None of us know what happened between these two people.  If what happened is the way the paper and the legal channels report it, than its a tragedy and the teacher should and will have to pay his debt to society.  If it was a consensual act it was still improper and illegal but that is still different than being predatorial and being labeled as a sex offender. 

I know a teacher at FHS who has been lewdly propositioned by female students -one offering to "b... him for a better grade".  Girls masturbating in the back of his class.  Purposely flashing him while he's teaching.  Snickering among each other about it. The list goes on.  Reality is, many teenage girls at FHS and everywhere  are sexually active, agressive and are having wanton unabashed sex....until Daddy finds out.  Sometimes her only out is being a "victim' so Daddy doesn't have to be disappointed and take his head out of his arse.

There is no room in the system for discerning truth from fiction.  It's too political an issue.

And what happened to innocent before proven guilty?  Not more than 24 hours have passed and this man is a "scumbag" who deserves the worst fate.

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Don't need any further proof, it all boils down to having some censored.gif ethics and morals. madsmiley.png

Morally and ethically the SCUMBAG should not have acted upon anything and he sure as heck should NOT have taken her to his house to get busy with her

Resume lady wrote it well...
Even if he thought she was a "willing" participant (and we don't yet know the details), he broke the law, broke the education code of ethics, and took advantage of her naivete. A 34 year old man isn't looking for a "meaningful relationship" with a teenage girl less than half his age. He's looking to get what he can get and the girl probably felt older (with him playing into that) and thought he really liked her. He's old enough to know better and did it anyway.

Get real you guys - its scary that you're defending him - it sounds like you and CV would like to date 16 year olds - this isn't Arkansas

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:05 PM

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Oh yeah, what 14 y/o boy wouldn't?

I dunno, it's sad, but it's definitely a different "wrong" when a 34 y/o male is having "sexual relations" with a 16 y/o girl vs. Debra LaFave's story.

Sick sick people out there. I guess it's easy enough for me to joke about since I don't have kids. I can't imagine sending my 14 y/o daughter out the front door, let alone to a male classroom. It's a scary world we live in these days, truly.
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#34 Dave Burrell

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:07 PM

QUOTE(anonymous @ Aug 30 2005, 12:58 PM)
If he didn't do it, it's a shame that his credibility would be tainted forever. I used the word "if" specifically because we don't know the facts of the case - End Quote
If he did not do it than so much more than his credibility is ruined.  He will be personally devastated and financially ruined.  He will lose trust for others, the system and probably have post traumatic stress disorder.  His family and those who love him will suffer a great deal as well.  It is wrong to minimize the after effects of being wrongfully accused.

IF.

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and what IF he DID do it, which is likely the case - then do you still think it was OK to force a teenager to have sex with a 34 year old?

why are you guys defending him so much? do you know him or something?

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:11 PM

Wow...

I had this guy as a sub my sophomore year, I had him as a full-time English teacher my Junior year and even got him to write some letters of recommendation for college and employment for me!

He was one of my favorite teachers, probably because he was so outspoken, he wanted to run for president in 2008, in fact, what he wrote in my yearbook was "Vote for me in 2008, -J.Mac."

He was a GREAT English teacher who was laid back and allowed his students to take different approaches to learning, rather than asking questions pre-determined by the department, he would ask his own questions and ask his students to interpret certain works within their own minds.

To hear about this, is stunning, I can hardly believe my eyes reading that SacBee.com article, all I can say is, I'll judge him after the trial.

All of you who are calling him a Scumbag remind me of the d1ps---s at the Salem Witch Trials, get your heads out of your @sses and get a grip, INNOCENT until proven guilty.

If he is convicted, i'll be the first to condemn him. Until then, shut the he1l up.

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:18 PM

QUOTE(davburr @ Aug 30 2005, 02:07 PM)
and what IF he DID do it, which is likely the case - then do you still think it was OK to force a teenager to have sex with a 34 year old?

why are you guys defending him so much? do you know him or something?

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I don't know him. Of course if he forced her to have sex with him it was not OK and would be a criminal.

Why are you so sure that it is "likely the case" that he did? Because you read it in the newspaper?


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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:23 PM

QUOTE(uberman @ Aug 30 2005, 02:11 PM)
I had this guy as a sub my sophomore year, I had him as a full-time English teacher my Junior year and even got him to write some letters of recommendation for college and employment for me!

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If he is convicted, i'll be the first to condemn him. Until then, shut the he1l up.

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Until the verdict, I'd still hold off on using those letters for a while.

Innocent or guilty, the poor guy's going to suffer.
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:26 PM

QUOTE(davburr @ Aug 30 2005, 02:07 PM)
and what IF he DID do it, which is likely the case - then do you still think it was OK to force a teenager to have sex with a 34 year old?

why are you guys defending him so much? do you know him or something?

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You must have daughters Dave...in fact you may have said so earlier.

I just think there is so much hypocrisy in this country about teens and sex. Many of you parents let your daughters dress like whores and talk like whores and then are surprised when they act like whores.

We let our daughters have abortions without their parents consent, basically giving them a free pass to f--- as many people as the want and never tell YOU.

We set 18 as the age of adulthood and consent, yet half of you proabably have granparents that married eachother younger than 18.

Yes, if this guy did it, he broke the law and should be punished. It is unusual by today's standards that a 34 y.o. would be interested in a 16 y.o., but not in the past and not in many places around the world.

So stop acting all surprised that some relatively young male teacher might still find attractive a 16 y.o. who maybe already had more sex partners than the teacher ever did.

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:32 PM

For the record:

Jason McEvoy is a single parent, he has 1 pre-teen daughter. And he's a raging liberal, which makes it all the more surprising...
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#40 Dave Burrell

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:37 PM

QUOTE(anonymous @ Aug 30 2005, 01:18 PM)
Why are you so sure that it is "likely the case" that he did?  Because you read it in the newspaper?

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Well if a person is completely innocent and has never done anyone wrong and they're all good as you guys are making him out to be - they usually don't make the papers or news with such accusations, its not the papers I believe - its the police who busted him that I believe.

By the way I didn't read this in the paper I saw an interview with the Folsom Police about it last night.

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:37 PM

QUOTE(uberman @ Aug 30 2005, 02:32 PM)
For the record:

Jason McEvoy is a single parent, he has 1 pre-teen daughter. And he's a raging liberal, which makes it all the more surprising...

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what does the liberal part have to do with this? i am lost on this one.
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:39 PM

QUOTE(Brett911 @ Aug 30 2005, 01:37 PM)
what does the liberal part have to do with this?  i am lost on this one.

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I was wondering the same thing...I'm not much of a political person...

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:40 PM

QUOTE(davburr @ Aug 30 2005, 02:37 PM)
Well if a person is completely innocent and has never done anyone wrong and they're all good as you guys are making him out to be - they usually don't make the papers or news with such accusations, its not the papers I believe - its the police who busted him that I believe.

By the way I didn't read this in the paper I saw an interview with the Folsom Police about it last night.

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news is news. that is why it made the papers. i don't think we can judge the newsworthiness of the story beyond what the story is; adult male accused of sex with a minor female. that's all this story is so far.
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:41 PM

I to am also shocked upon reading this. I know Mr. McEvoy pretty well, had a few connections with him, always saw him in the stands with his daughter at the basketball games....heck, even a good friend of mine coached with him! I had plenty of oppertunity to talk to him. Seemed like a real decent guy. He even told these two hecklers, who were heckling an opposing team, to shut up and sit down. He seemed like a good citizen.

All I know is that we all shouldnt make the mistake we made with the rape case at folsom high just last year. We all were so sure that the girl just made up the story, and look what happened. Now, it seems, we are so sure that Mr. McEvoy is guilty, without knowing anything other than he is being charged with these crimes.

So, with what we have learned in the past, let the law do its job...lets not do it for them.
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:41 PM

QUOTE(c_vanderveen @ Aug 30 2005, 02:26 PM)
We let our daughters have abortions without their parents consent, basically giving them a free pass to f--- as many people as the want and never tell YOU.

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I think if they have to obtain consent from you to get an abortion, they've already cashed in their 'free pass'.


I don't care if a girl goes to school naked; that doesn't in any way make her promiscuous or a (censored) or an abortion recipient or deserving of lewd looks or gestures from their teachers.

I don't care if a girl has multiple sex partners or works in a brothel, she still deserves to be treated with respect.

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