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[CostcoLover]

This thread has inspired me to take an Intro to Islam class.

Don't forget to take intro to.... all of these religions....

http://www.adherents..._Adherents.html

[Joe]

Don't forget to take intro to.... all of these religions....

http://www.adherents..._Adherents.html

I have taken a world religions class prior to this that covered all of those.

[openminded american]

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Where can one in Folsom who objects to the building of the Mosque for moral reasons or any other reason be heard? Where can a good conservative thinker protest the construction and infiltration? No matter how you may view the presence of Muslim people in this country, I have not yet heard one condemn the acts of terrorism against western civilization. This would make them the enemy and no less.

[openminded american]

Americans are so closed minded that they are resembling other countries...like the one we are fighting a war in... we seperated ourselves from England to be free of religious persecution! We are so macho...we think we have all the rigt answers never stopping to think that maybe it is not the right answer for another person/family.
Should all of the athiests, Jews, science minded individuals leave the country? Should everyone look and dress like you? Imagine that..it would look like Iraq or North Korea...how wonderful...or maybe Stepford!
Perhaps you should move to Utah.

[i_love_usa]

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Please do a simple search on "www.google.com" and type in "muslim condemn terror" and you will find more than one condemnation. -- TRUTH IS OUT THERE

[bordercolliefan]

In the decades following the Holocaust, there was a great debate in Germany about whether ordinary Germans -- the housewives, shopkeepers, etc. -- bore some kind of collective responsibility for the atrocities. I believe the theory was that over the years, German society had allowed increasing prejudice and discrimination against Jews to take hold, and then when the Nazis came into power, a lot of people just looked the other way at what was happening. They didn't participate in the atrocities (most ordinary Germans were not Nazis)... many probably did not approve... but collectively they did nothing to stop it.

Query whether a similar analysis can be applied to Muslims (and query whether some Muslims are, in fact, applying such an analysis to themselves). Some commentators have written that over the years, Islamic rhetoric (at least in some quarters) has become increasingly violent, apocalyptic, anti-Western, etc. Many Muslims worldwide undoubtedly disagree with the fiery sentiments -- yet they have been allowed to proliferate. What responsibility do Muslims have to step forward collectively and quash the extremist strains of thought?

--In any event, perhaps American Muslims are doing their part with their increasingly strident condemnations of violence. Bravo to all those who speak out against violence and terror.

[anonymous]

What responsibility do Muslims have to step forward collectively and quash the extremist strains of thought? 

They bear the same responsibility all good and decent people bear in condemning hatred and violence - including the terror and violence much in this world being perpetrated against Muslims on their own soil.

Are you protesting the comments of Franklin Graham, Pat Robertson, Michael Savage (who summons Americans to support the nuking of the Middle East and an endless list of others ? Are you screaming at our government when innocents are killed in the name of "collateral damage" or simply just for sport as in Abu Gharib? Are you protesting the razing of Palestinian homes? Foreign occuption, apartheid?

Do you really know what is going on over there? Are your children better, superior, to little Arab Muslim children? We've got plenty of the same fiery, apocolyptic rhetoric going on over here spewing out of the Evangelicals - HELLO?

What makes you think our American children aren't being indoctrinated to hate Arabs/Muslims and that stereotypes aren't breeding an attitude of "us vs. them" on this end?

I see terrorism being condemned by Muslims all the time. I ddin't see most people on this forum out picketing when comments were made by Robertson. Don't most average mainstream people of most faiths feel they don't have to even dignify such stupid remarks because they are so far from the mainstream?

[bordercolliefan]

I ddin't see most people on this forum out picketing when comments were made by Robertson.  Don't most average mainstream people of most faiths feel they don't have to even dignify such stupid remarks because they are so far from the mainstream?

Or it may be that Robertson's remarks, outrageous as they may be, have not resulted in the murder of thousands of innocent civilians.

I do agree with you that fundamentalist Christian preaching can sometimes be bombastic and hate-filled. Let's imagine a hypothetical. Suppose that fundamentalist preachers in our country became so fiery and effective in their anti-gay preaching that they moved hundreds of Christians to go out and murder gay people. Let's assume this was not an isolated incident (like the Shepard murder), but that there were repeated bombings and attacks on gay bars, etc. such that the toll mounted into the thousands. --What would our responsibility as mainstream Christians be? Surely, at a minimum: the hate-mongering preachers should be stripped of their credentials and publicly blamed (and perhaps put on trial and jailed); mainstream Christians should offer shelter and protection to gay people; mainstream Christian denominations worldwide should publicly embrace and express their solidarity with gays; mainstream Christians should create charitable funds to aid those harmed by the attacks...

I don't know what conclusion one can draw from this. --But it is an interesting thought experiment to imagine what we would do if it was our faith that was spawning attacks on civilians on a similar scale...

[folsom500]

Let's imagine a hypothetical.  Suppose that fundamentalist preachers in our country became so fiery and effective in their anti-gay preaching that they moved hundreds of Christians to go out and murder gay people.  Let's assume this was not an isolated incident (like the Shepard murder), but that there were repeated bombings and attacks on gay bars, etc. such that the toll mounted into the thousands.  --What would our responsibility as mainstream Christians be?  Surely, at a minimum:  the hate-mongering preachers should be stripped of their credentials and publicly blamed (and perhaps put on trial and jailed); mainstream Christians should offer shelter and protection to gay people; mainstream Christian denominations worldwide should publicly embrace and express their solidarity with gays; mainstream Christians should create charitable funds to aid those harmed by the attacks... 

I don't know what conclusion one can draw from this.  --But it is an interesting thought experiment to imagine what we would do if it was our faith that was spawning attacks on civilians on a similar scale...

So you are also saying that the mainstream Christians of Folsom would allow a Gay bar and dance hall to be built next to the Muslim Mosque ? or on Sutter Street ?

Cheers
F500

[mylo]

So you are also saying that the mainstream Christians of Folsom would allow a Gay bar and dance hall to be built next to the Muslim Mosque ? or on Sutter Street ?

Cheers
F500

HAHAHAA I could just see them converting the Folsom Hotel now...

[bordercolliefan]

So you are also saying that the mainstream Christians of Folsom would allow a Gay bar and dance hall to be built next to the Muslim Mosque ? or on Sutter Street ?

Cheers
F500

It would be interesting to see what would happen. --Why don't you and Farley go in on such a business? It is, after all, an untapped market in Folsom.

Don't call it a "gay bar" in the business plan. Just call it a cafe/bar with nice art on the walls.

[Farley]

It would be interesting to see what would happen.  --Why don't you and Farley go in on such a business?  It is, after all, an untapped market in Folsom. 

Don't call it a "gay bar" in the business plan.  Just call it a cafe/bar with nice art on the walls.

Actually one already exists sort of at Borders Books....

[Chad Vander Veen]

Turns out the FBI has been surveiling 2 Sacramento mosques because of possible terror ties. Story in link: http://www.news10.ne...l1.asp?id=13025

This story serves as yet another reminder, locally this time, of why people might be apprehensive about a mosque in town.

[K Rat]

Turns out the FBI has been surveiling 2 Sacramento mosques because of possible terror ties. Story in link: http://www.news10.ne...l1.asp?id=13025

This story serves as yet another reminder, locally this time, of why people might be apprehensive about a mosque in town.

That is precisely why I'm against the Folsom mosque. Don't want to take the chance. Thank you.

[folsom500]

Turns out the FBI has been surveiling 2 Sacramento mosques because of possible terror ties. Story in link: http://www.news10.ne...l1.asp?id=13025

This story serves as yet another reminder, locally this time, of why people might be apprehensive about a mosque in town.

JUST A REMINDER - there has been a temporary Mosque and Muslim worship services in Folsom for the LAST 12 YEARS at LEAST !
This is only a new formal Building....

Cheers
F500