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[mytoybox]

Support the kids for God's sake!

Come to the March 1st board meeting(6:30 p.m. at the FHS library) and speak up! Now is your chance to stick it to those greedy, money grubbing teachers. Three minutes for you to say whatever you want, probably more if you go pro-board, so I say GO FOR IT!

See you there!

Oops, almost forgot, I do not want to strike and most of my students think Friday is lime green shirt day. It's a solidarity thing! You wouldn't understand...

Support the kids is about the only meaningful thing you've stated to date.

I'd be there, but don't have a government job that gets out at 3pm, 4pm or 5pm. I'll still be working until 11pm.

By the way, when you say you don't want to strike, that's a lie. Noone forces you to strike, no teacher's strike encompasses 100% of teachers. The teacher's union may strike, but you can choose not to. Probably best if you just kept quiet on that point instead of lying.

[normajean]

Wow! It took a few days, but I finally made it through this whole thing. I am sitting in the teachers' court on this one.

I understand that along with the Board meeting on Thursday, there is also a 9th grade Parent Night at the high school. Sounds like a traffic nightmare.

TM70, you have been called a few names here. I happen to think you are quite entertaining. Most don't see your humor, you're killing me!

[tessieca]

Just out of curiousity, what do you mean by "sitting in the teacher's court"? Would you be inclined to support the full amount being demanded by teachers (I believe it's a 6.47% increase plus some benefits additions)? If so, would you still support that position if it turned out that it would require budget cuts of $1.4 million? (Meaning staff layoffs, materials cuts, programs reductions, etc.)

Do you support a strike? Walking out of the classroom to get an additional 1+% added to what has already been offered?

Do you support teachers speaking about this issue in classrooms and only telling one side?

Or, are you just saying in general that you support FCUSD's teachers?

[gorilla]

U.S. education - report card http://www.uschamber...ortcard/default

California Educational Achievement? F

"The measures of our educational shortcomings are stark indeed; most 4th and 8th graders are not proficient in either reading or mathematics."

"Only about two-thirds of all 9th graders graduate from high school within four years. And those students who do receive diplomas are too often unprepared for college or the modern workplace."

All those previous raises haven't done much good, why should this one be any different?
When are we going to start linking teacher compensation and student achievement?
When are we going to start ridding the schools of bad teachers?

[jen]

Well, another high school teacher was at it again during class time -- talking about what she believed the administrators had received versus what "unfair" amount the district was offering her. She had all of the kids feeling sorry for her.

I saw something that said the district office administrators haven't received any salary increase this year and that they don't get those automatic increases just for being there another year. Why aren't they complaining?

[Fire]

Well, another high school teacher was at it again during class time -- talking about what she believed the administrators had received versus what "unfair" amount the district was offering her. She had all of the kids feeling sorry for her.

Just tell the kids, I'm going to have to cut your allowance, and when they ask why, say, the teachers want more money that comes from taxes mommy and daddy pay.

It's not a complete story, but the kids aren't getting the complete picture from the teachers either.

[TM70]

Wow! It took a few days, but I finally made it through this whole thing. I am sitting in the teachers' court on this one.

I understand that along with the Board meeting on Thursday, there is also a 9th grade Parent Night at the high school. Sounds like a traffic nightmare.

TM70, you have been called a few names here. I happen to think you are quite entertaining. Most don't see your humor, you're killing me!

See...finally...if you take everything seriously here, you'll go crazy.

Don't believe the teachers...fine...we're all a bunch of money grubbers...me, too...I'm not going to change anyone's mind here anyway...you're all set in your ways even though you haven't set foot in a classroom in years. Believe the district, they have 7-11 million sitting there earmarked for a rainy day. We'll if the teachers do something like a strike, I would call that a rainy day.

Oh yeah, I don't to strike and I haven't spoken to my students about this issue...

I loved the article about CA achievement is an "F". Nice level playing field on that one...Try keeping it to Folsom for a change. Folsom achievement is pretty high last time I checked, but it's much more fun to talk out your...

Come to FHS tomorrow, sign up to speak and say what you want about the teachers...the board will listen...maybe even give you more than three minutes.

Yes, I say, hear, hear, get rid of those bad teachers, good luck, I would love to see that myself. You probably think I'm one of those because I come on here and give you grief, but you have no idea.

Too bad I pay taxes too. Yeah, you know what, you all are right. Gosh darn teachers, money grubbers and such...oh wait...

I know, I know all those stats you throw out are totally unrelated to Folsom. The test scores and grad rates just don't support you suppositions.

The district has the money, no cuts are necessary. It's all about priorities and the district doesn't have the teachers as a priority. Simple as that...Edline and Non-public special ed. students(which will actually make money for the district) are more important than dragging us all through the mud, so we have fight.

Some of you have sent me messages trying to talk me down, but I'm not really looking for support. I have that already in the real world. I'm just venting about all of the knuckleheads(me too at times, yes I know, I'm a polarizer) that come in here and vent about things they really don't know anything about. Come spend some time in your student's classroom and see what we really do. Don't just talk the talk, come in and walk the walk...

FHS library... show up around say 6:00 for a good seat.

See you there!

[tessieca]

The district has the money, no cuts are necessary. It's all about priorities and the district doesn't have the teachers as a priority. Simple as that...Edline and Non-public special ed. students(which will actually make money for the district) are more important than dragging us all through the mud, so we have fight.

Where was that again? Last I heard you were putting it in the reserves or carryover funds from school sites. Now it's Edline? Guess if that were what was on the table the district would probably cave and sweeten the 5.25% offer by $18,000 Edline cost.

[normajean]

tessieca:

I support the teachers. They deserve more than what they are receiving and are currently being offered. Actually, I trust these people with my most precious gifts, my children. THAT alone is worth more money than we could ever pay them. Give them the money and let's move on.

No, I don't support a strike-I hope it settles before that happens. However, if it does come down to the teachers going out on strike, I will honor that decision and keep my kids home from school.

No, I don't support teachers speaking about the issue during class time for the sake of talking about it. If however, a curious child were to ask a teacher a question and the professional teacher answers with something like, "This is what I think...." and other people think differently, I am ok with that. I have raised my kids to look at many angles always and make their own decisions. They do that, with my guidance of course. And of course, I am not talking about an hour discussion daily!! A good teacher could figure out how to quickly satisfy a curious mind (sounds like the enquirer, huh) and get back to the agenda of the day.

TM70:

Did you speak to your students about your wanting to strike today?! I must be living a simplistic life when your zany posts make me laugh!! Too bad others get so upset over your humor. I have to assume that you provide sarcasm and laughs for your students on their levels. How lucky for them. I'll bet they love coming to school, just to see what you'll say next.

[TM70]

Where was that again? Last I heard you were putting it in the reserves or carryover funds from school sites. Now it's Edline? Guess if that were what was on the table the district would probably cave and sweeten the 5.25% offer by $18,000 Edline cost.

I think you meant to say"What was that?" Anyway...

That's it! I've had it...YOU, meaning the district, are the ones who said that the reason that the district could not at least get their offer up to the state COLA was because of EDLINE. That's not my reason because it is ridiculous. Get your facts straight. And the funny thing was that the original cost of EDLINE was $40K, but after digging the district finally fessed up that it was really closer to $18K.

See...again, that's what I'm talking about. The two reasons the district has given so far that they do not have the money for a fair offer is EDLINE and NON-PUBLIC SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENTS(which again will actually MAKE MONEY for the district.) So really the two will cancel each other out and then we're back to square one! This is the kind of crap we get at the negotiating table. This is why we have been sitting on this for 6 months!

The district has not given even ONE good reason other than "we would have to cut programs..." Face it, that is a lie! Please stop lying! Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, and one more time I say Please!

This is the same thing they did 8 years ago, 6 years ago and 3 years ago. The same tired old story.

Yes, yes, "no you're tired and old" Yes, I beat you to the punch

[TM70]

tessieca:

I support the teachers. They deserve more than what they are receiving and are currently being offered. Actually, I trust these people with my most precious gifts, my children. THAT alone is worth more money than we could ever pay them. Give them the money and let's move on.

No, I don't support a strike-I hope it settles before that happens. However, if it does come down to the teachers going out on strike, I will honor that decision and keep my kids home from school.

No, I don't support teachers speaking about the issue during class time for the sake of talking about it. If however, a curious child were to ask a teacher a question and the professional teacher answers with something like, "This is what I think...." and other people think differently, I am ok with that. I have raised my kids to look at many angles always and make their own decisions. They do that, with my guidance of course. And of course, I am not talking about an hour discussion daily!! A good teacher could figure out how to quickly satisfy a curious mind (sounds like the enquirer, huh) and get back to the agenda of the day.

TM70:

Did you speak to your students about your wanting to strike today?! I must be living a simplistic life when your zany posts make me laugh!! Too bad others get so upset over your humor. I have to assume that you provide sarcasm and laughs for your students on their levels. How lucky for them. I'll bet they love coming to school, just to see what you'll say next.

Goodbye Norma Jean, though I never knew you at all...that's all I can remember...

I have never said anything about a strike. Yes, they asked me about the silly green shirt, but all I said was we, the teachers, were having a little disagreement. That's all I ever said.

IN FACT...8 Years ago, 6 years ago, and 3 years ago...I SAID NOTHING!!! NOT A WORD!!! My students didn't know anything about the garbage we've had to put up at times, except when we picketed OUTSIDE the school boundaries.

Here it comes..."Why don't you just leave, yeah leave..." NO! You leave!!!(great comeback!)

Yes, I'm being "zany" now because I'm just a little FRUSTRATED. Don't take too much of it seriously. If people say something that needs to be "noticed" well dang, I'm gonna notice it.

I've gotten zanier lately, haven't I?

[gingerkid]

Zany? Is that what you call it? I just don't think you're very nice. It turns people off whether they disagree with you or not.

To Norma, I'm a mom and I won't ever teach my kids that it's okay to stay out of school over a dispute that should be handled by adults. If divorced mom and dad are disagreeing do you stop them from visiting dad that weekend?

It's kind of ridiculous how childish these teachers are acting. Yes, they are valuable. Yes, they deserve to be paid competitively. No, they don't deserve to stomp their feet over what they think happened to them years ago or how someone diss'd them by talking about Edline. Most of what they're doing right now looks to me like a tantrum.

[TM70]

Zany? Is that what you call it? I just don't think you're very nice. It turns people off whether they disagree with you or not.

To Norma, I'm a mom and I won't ever teach my kids that it's okay to stay out of school over a dispute that should be handled by adults. If divorced mom and dad are disagreeing do you stop them from visiting dad that weekend?

It's kind of ridiculous how childish these teachers are acting. Yes, they are valuable. Yes, they deserve to be paid competitively. No, they don't deserve to stomp their feet over what they think happened to them years ago or how someone diss'd them by talking about Edline. Most of what they're doing right now looks to me like a tantrum.

Case in point...Let me ask you this...How in the world can you not have even a small sense of humor? I mean your avatar is CARTMAN for God's Sake and your name is gingerkid.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...you...guys...can't...stop...hahahahahahahahahahaha, milk coming out of my noise...

I so very much hate you guys...

You'll probably won't get that joke either...

[TM70]

Just out of curiousity, what do you mean by "sitting in the teacher's court"? Would you be inclined to support the full amount being demanded by teachers (I believe it's a 6.47% increase plus some benefits additions)? If so, would you still support that position if it turned out that it would require budget cuts of $1.4 million? (Meaning staff layoffs, materials cuts, programs reductions, etc.)

Do you support a strike? Walking out of the classroom to get an additional 1+% added to what has already been offered?

Do you support teachers speaking about this issue in classrooms and only telling one side?

Or, are you just saying in general that you support FCUSD's teachers?

Teresa, if 1% is SO insignificant...THEN PONY UP THE DOUGH!!!

I can't believe you would force the teacher's hand and even get close to a strike vote for 1%. Your numbers, not mine...

[mytoybox]

You don't seem very mentally stable. I hope my kids aren't in any of your classes.