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[Orangetj]

OR>>>>  They feel like they have a much better chance to control drug/alcohol use by their children in their own homes..... while the only way to oppose Ms. Teaz is to do it in person with the rest of the community.

I'd argue that the reverse is the reality...but then you already knew that!

[camay2327]

Steve, you have the right to think the way you do, and what I feel is the majority feels different.

Also, my father was a minister and would never have gone into a place like that.

[Orangetj]

Steve, you have the right to think the way you do, and what I feel is the majority feels different.

Also, my father was a minister and would never have gone into a place like that.

       

       

It's funny, because I tend to feel that the majority would probably agree with Steve and me! Of course, neither of us have any facts to support that, it's just a feeling. I think that people in general tend to believe that their own opinions are the "normal" ones and that those with differing opinions are the ones in the minority. Just an observation.

[Adamal]

It's funny, because I tend to feel that the majority would probably agree with Steve and me!  Of course, neither of us have any facts to support that, it's just a feeling.  I think that people in general tend to believe that their own opinions are the "normal" ones and that those with differing opinions are the ones in the minority.  Just an observation.

I also agree with you and Steve. Personally I do not see anything wrong with a Lingerie shop. I don't see how it will hurt our community. I yet to see any body post how this Lingeries shop will hurt our community.

Even though I do not have a problem with the shop being there I will not fight for it because I really don't care enough whether it is there or not.

[Cloud9]

I agree with Adamal, Orange and Steve. Wasn't there a poll on this already and showed the majority had not problem with it?

[Steve Heard]

Now you're spinning.  The most popular and prosperous businesses on Sutter Street are actually restaurants, some of which I like very much, including Yagers which has a kids menu and contributes to my kids' UPromise accounts.

Cal is 100% correct.  Obviously, the back room items are the money-makers or the DuFours would be backing off and just doing the lingerie.  Their main sell, then, is the porn stuff. 

Tessie

No intention of spinning. Actually, spinning it would be to claim that there is a family atmosphere on Sutter. There is not. Just this past summer, people were complaining about that fact right here on the boards.

Spinning would be to say, as our anonymous member did, that Sutter Street is "a street lined with dollhouses and ice cream shops."

That is simply not true. There is one ice cream shop, and it is located in the space previously rented by the now-defunct doll shop.

When I think of Sutter, I think of the Sutter Hotel, Powerhouse Pub, Hacienda, the Sutter Club, and Yager's. Yes, a couple of those do serve food, but when I go to Yager's the bar is usually crowded, and the restaurant isn't. Same with Hacienda.

I want success for all of the businesses on Sutter, including the new ones.

If in the end, the City bans lingerie and novelty stores from Sutter, everyone has to follow the law. I just think we are being distracted from the real problems. I don't see Ms. Teaz as a threat at all.

Slow, you said something very important! "They feel like they have a much better chance to control drug/alcohol use by their children in their own homes..... while the only way to oppose Ms. Teaz is to do it in person with the rest of the community."

We need the entire community in on this issue of drugs and alcohol. Unless we home school our kids, and never let them out of our sight, there will come a time, usually sometime after they start middle school, that one of their peers will pull out a joint, a beer, a bottle of 'white out', a tube of glue, a bottle of pills...

It happens when walking home from school, when hanging out at the park, at church youth group, after work, after school, in the bathroom at school, before school, at a sleepover, at a party, at a meeting...

Our kids will have to make a choice. Educate yourselves on how to prevent and how to handle things now.

Forget about sex toys, lingerie and games. I want my kids alive and healthy.

I know about it. I have kids. I've worked with counselors. I volunteer in the community. I talk to my kids' friends. I talk to other parents. I read. It hits home.

[Adamal]

Tessie

No intention of spinning. Actually, spinning it would be to claim that there is a family atmosphere on Sutter. There is not. Just this past summer, people were complaining about that fact right here on the boards.

Spinning would be to say, as our anonymous member did, that Sutter Street is "a street lined with dollhouses and ice cream shops."

That is simply not true. There is one ice cream shop, and it is located in the space previously rented by the now-defunct doll shop.

When I think of Sutter, I think of the Sutter Hotel, Powerhouse Pub, Hacienda, the Sutter Club, and Yager's. Yes, a couple of those do serve food, but when I go to Yager's the bar is usually crowded, and the restaurant isn't. Same with Hacienda.

I want success for all of the businesses on Sutter, including the new ones.

If in the end, the City bans lingerie and novelty stores from Sutter, everyone has to follow the law. I just think we are being distracted from the real problems. I don't see Ms. Teaz as a threat at all.

Slow, you said something very important! "They feel like they have a much better chance to control drug/alcohol use by their children in their own homes..... while the only way to oppose Ms. Teaz is to do it in person with the rest of the community."

We need the entire community in on this issue of drugs and alcohol. Unless we home school our kids, and never let them out of our sight, there will come a time, usually sometime after they start middle school, that one of their peers will pull out a joint, a beer, a bottle of 'white out', a tube of glue, a bottle of pills...

It happens when walking home from school, when hanging out at the park, at church youth group, after work, after school, in the bathroom at school, before school, at a sleepover, at a party, at a meeting...

Our kids will have to make a choice. Educate yourselves on how to prevent and how to handle things now.

Forget about sex toys, lingerie and games. I want my kids alive and healthy. 

I know about it. I have kids. I've worked with counselors. I volunteer in the community. I talk to my kids' friends. I talk to other parents. I read. It hits home.

stevethedad I wish more people thought like you do.

[camay2327]

Can we start a new subject about "The Healthy Families" and leave this link for the original subject???

[forumreader]

You're right. These two subjects got mish-mashed together in the discussion of setting priorities for our community. Thanks. We'll start a new topic.

[slowthegrowth]

Kill this thread! Kill this thread!

[Steve Heard]

Can we start a new subject about "The Healthy Families" and leave this link for the original subject???

Cal

We do have a thread about Healthy Families. I am wondering how the City Council meeting went. Did any of you go? The parking lot was packed.

I was next door at Healthy Families. We had perhaps 100 teens and about 2 dozen parents. Police Chief Sam Speigel made the opening remarks. He commented that there seemed to be a lot of parents concerned about a lingerie shop opening on Sutter Street, while the more important issues were being discussed next door. He said, "I wish those parents were in here"

Nero fiddled while Rome burned

[NRB]

Wow! So much ado about nothing. I could never figure out why Americans are so prudish when it comes to sex.

To start, Sutter is not kid friendly. There are several shops that I already wont let my children in because the content is inappropriate (glass and other breakables). The shops I do take them in require me to hold their hands while we shop (now that's fun!).

As far as "what do we tell our children?", you tell them that the store is inappropriate for children. What's so hard about that? Why do you want to avoid that conversation? You should all be talking to you children about sex if you want them to grow up to be responsible, healthy, sexual beings. I really don't see the problem there. I have to tell my children all the time that they can't go into a store at the Galleria Mall even though it appears to have toys and other fun stuff in it. They have t-shirts and other items that contain sexually explicit and other wise bad language. What do I tell them? The truth! The difference is that this store has no sign warning of its contents. It is my understanding that the lingerie shop will.

I also take offense to the comment about "other seedy elements such as tattoo parlors". I have three beautiful tattoos and in no way would consider myself seedy! I got my last tatoo here in Folsom at a place that the city folk tried to keep from opening as well. They had most of the same complaints about it some how corrupting our youth and bringing a bad element to Folsom even though there was already a bar right next door! The tattoo parlor has taken precautions to be responsible with their craft and does not allow children in the store and will not tattoo anyone who has been drinking or obviously using drugs. I also have it on good autority that eventually the city warmed up to the idea and even hired one of the artists to do face painting at the grand opening of the aquatic center!

Steve is right. There are much bigger concerns we should be rallying against!

Just my two cents! Aren't you glad I am moving to Memphis! One less "liberal" to contend with!

[cybertrano]

yep

  One less "liberal" to contend with! 

[NRB]

Love the person not their politics, right Cyber? 'Cause I really am hard not to love!

[cybertrano]

yes. i love u specially when u r quiet.... i love u less when u talk.

Love the person not their politics, right Cyber?  'Cause I really am hard not to love!