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[Cloud9]

What if it were 21 and older? Or 25 and older? Would that make a difference to you?

[nomoser]

What if it were 21 and older?  Or 25 and older?  Would that make a difference to you?

Not sure why it should. The higher the age limit, presumably the harder-core the items behind the curtain. If I'm already concerned about 18-and-older, I would probably be concerned about a room that excludes people under 25 as well.

[Cloud9]

So is it just the location then? Lets say it's right at the border of Folsom. Would that make a difference?

[nomoser]

So is it just the location then?  Lets say it's right at the border of Folsom.  Would that make a difference?

Yes, and no.

Yes because it is in someone else's community and is an issue that they have to tackle. I am a big believer is states rights, for example, and the democratic system.

No because I'd prefer the whole world reflect my moral values.

[Adamal]

I've read all the posts in this topic, and seen the minutes from the city council meetings, so even though this is my first post on this topic, I'm not coming out of thin air.  But even with the repeated assurances of stevethedad, it's still an 18-and-older back room, and I would be concerned about it no matter the location in our community.  I am probably in the minority, but it's still my opinion.

I appreciate your honesty even if I don't agree with it.

[Adamal]

No because I'd prefer the whole world reflect my moral values.   

So because I don't share your values I should not be a part of this world. j/k

[Cloud9]

Yes, and no. 

Yes because it is in someone else's community and is an issue that they have to tackle.  I am a big believer is states rights, for example, and the democratic system. 

No because I'd prefer the whole world reflect my moral values.   

So far, it's not age for you, and it seems that even if it were adjacent to Folsom you'd have a problem with it.

Why exactly is it that you feel the world should adhere to your moral values? I missed that class in H.S.

[Adamal]

Let me see if I'm getting this right. The people that are still against this store are doing it for moral and religious reasons.

Personally I make most of my decisions on logical decisions and none of the arguments against this store have been logical. So unless I hear some good and logical reasons for the store not to be on Sutter Street, I am pro Mrs. Teaz.

God (or whomever you believe in) gave man the ability to think logically for a reason. Use it.

[nomoser]

So far, it's not age for you, and it seems that even if it were adjacent to Folsom you'd have a problem with it. 

Why exactly is it that you feel the world should adhere to your moral values?  I missed that class in H.S. 

The last part was a joke ......... but just a little one. :-)

[Chad Vander Veen]

What is this!? Are you all Quakers!? Give it a rest for everyone's sake! 500+ posts. It's lingerie...big freaking' deal!

[nomoser]

Let me see if I'm getting this right.  The people that are still against this store are doing it for moral and religious reasons. 

Personally I make most of my decisions on logical decisions and none of the arguments against this store have been logical.  So unless I hear some good and logical reasons for the store not to be on Sutter Street, I am pro Mrs. Teaz.

God (or whomever you believe in) gave man the ability to think logically for a reason.  Use it.

Be careful not to lump everyone in with me. My reasons may be different from others'. Also, I agree that God gave us the ability to think logically ... and that he expects us to use that ability. I try to use it every day, as a matter of fact. If I didn't, I wouldn't make a very good corporate attorney.

[Cloud9]

Understood. Just trying to get at the root cause.

For some people that is in fact what they believe (that the world should have the same moral values as they do).

For others it's a matter of protecting their property values, or the thought that their kid at 18 will rush into the place and buy everything, or something else.

Just trying to understand what it is.... something better than, everyone should believe as I do.

[nomoser]

It's lingerie...big freaking' deal!

See posts 538 and 539 on your response ...

[billsfan]

Billsfan, this has never been about the lingerie.  If you think the purpose of Ms. Teaz's backroom was to sell lingerie, you better go back and read all 36 pages of this post... and perhaps pay a visit to the "model" for their store (self-described), Spartacus... 

I think the store owners are starting to understand how the community feels about the backroom. To me it sounds like the back room will end up selling things I can buy at Spencers...I have no problems with that...

Yes, I've read most of the posts on the topic and believe even if it was just a lingerie shop, many of the contributors to this discussion would still be opposed...

I would have no problem with a lingerie shop at the future Palladio mall. Two of the more upscale outdoor malls in the Bay Area - Palo Alto and Santana Row - both have lingerie stores...

And for those of you that don't like malls - to each your own. Please don't make malls sound evil result of popular culture...

[Cloud9]

Did you know that you can link posts so that when referring folks to them they can click on the link?

Are they lengthy posts or can you sum it up in a couple of sentences?