I agree, don't toss around names, or speculate what happened. Let's stick to the facts that we hear from the news and go from there. I don't want people calling up friends and saying they saw something on MyFolsom.com...
Folsom Family Found Dead
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 03:50 PM
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 03:52 PM
I'm contemplating editing all the names as nothing has been verified. I just know the rumor mill is in full gear right now...
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 03:56 PM
John, I think that you should in this case until we find out for sure. I hope everyone on this board will understand this and go along with it.
Thanks, John. I will help catch some of them up for you. I think I deleted them all.
Cal
Thanks, John. I will help catch some of them up for you. I think I deleted them all.
Cal
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 03:57 PM
things like this happen all the time but its a bigger deal when it happens close to home.
with a murder suicide you don't have a "who done it" just a "why done it"
with a murder suicide you don't have a "who done it" just a "why done it"
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 04:06 PM
Edited the names as nothing has been verified yet. Please try and keep speculation to a minimum and hold off on names until they have been made public. Thanks all.
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 04:11 PM
Good advice John.
Sadly this is very newsworthy....but we need to think of the victims's families.
Sadly this is very newsworthy....but we need to think of the victims's families.
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 05:10 PM
At least one name was mentioned on the Channel 10 news at 5:00 PM. But as of now I will still not put it out.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 01:36 AM
Having watched so many crime shows of late, I had some thoughts about this situation.
The question of why there was a daughter in the home came to me. Did she still live at home or was she visiting?
It is important to note that this daughter could have been the source of an argument.
I know of several couples who have grown children, which put a lot of stress on their relationship. In this day of permissive parenting, the young people never learn to be responsible and are of the impression they can always count on Mom or Dad to hand them their rent money when they haven't been. They maybe spent the rent money on a big weekend or a new pair of shoes. And of course these same young people tend to move back home after they have lost their jobs or broke up with their live in partner. This is not a much better situation most of the time. Spoiled children turn into unstable adults.
I don't mean to sound judgmental. But we all know at least one parent in our lives who spoils their children.
A friend, a family member or a neighbor.....there are some who just can't say "NO" to their precious little darlings.
It can ruin a marriage and I've seen this happen right in my own family. Parents argue about one or the other of them spoiling the kids, and before you know it, they get a divorce. Mom gets a boyfriend, and he too gets tired of Mom being taken for every dime she has. The grown kids tell Mom she could do better than that boyfriend, because they don't like his interference, and being cut off from their easy money. Pressures mount, and the next thing you know, there is the boyfriend packing or worse, causing violence.
Of course this is just guessing on my part. All I'm saying is, there has to be a reason the daughter was in the home when this happened and for it to come to the point of this type of violence, there had to be a huge argument first.
It's really sad when situations like this end in violence and death. People thinking that killing will solve a problem are not right in the head. I don't know, but I'd bet there were drugs involved also.
And, how could gun shots NOT be heard by the neighbors? It's not like the houses are that far apart! That's if all the victims were shot. They said there was a gun involved, so I'm thinking all were shot.
At any rate, it's hard to think that your hard working, middle class neighbors could be the kind to pick up a gun and start shooting, isn't it? I wonder how much support and counseling these prison workers get. That sort of job has to be very stressful.
Of late, I've felt a lot of tension in the air and a feeling that everyone is on edge. This was a sad, sad thing to have happened. If one looks back on the news, of the past week or so, Sacramento County has had a surge of killings.
It certainly makes one wonder why all these killings is happening now! As you can see, I'm up late and losing sleep over this. I just hate to see this sort of thing happen to people.
The question of why there was a daughter in the home came to me. Did she still live at home or was she visiting?
It is important to note that this daughter could have been the source of an argument.
I know of several couples who have grown children, which put a lot of stress on their relationship. In this day of permissive parenting, the young people never learn to be responsible and are of the impression they can always count on Mom or Dad to hand them their rent money when they haven't been. They maybe spent the rent money on a big weekend or a new pair of shoes. And of course these same young people tend to move back home after they have lost their jobs or broke up with their live in partner. This is not a much better situation most of the time. Spoiled children turn into unstable adults.
I don't mean to sound judgmental. But we all know at least one parent in our lives who spoils their children.
A friend, a family member or a neighbor.....there are some who just can't say "NO" to their precious little darlings.
It can ruin a marriage and I've seen this happen right in my own family. Parents argue about one or the other of them spoiling the kids, and before you know it, they get a divorce. Mom gets a boyfriend, and he too gets tired of Mom being taken for every dime she has. The grown kids tell Mom she could do better than that boyfriend, because they don't like his interference, and being cut off from their easy money. Pressures mount, and the next thing you know, there is the boyfriend packing or worse, causing violence.
Of course this is just guessing on my part. All I'm saying is, there has to be a reason the daughter was in the home when this happened and for it to come to the point of this type of violence, there had to be a huge argument first.
It's really sad when situations like this end in violence and death. People thinking that killing will solve a problem are not right in the head. I don't know, but I'd bet there were drugs involved also.
And, how could gun shots NOT be heard by the neighbors? It's not like the houses are that far apart! That's if all the victims were shot. They said there was a gun involved, so I'm thinking all were shot.
At any rate, it's hard to think that your hard working, middle class neighbors could be the kind to pick up a gun and start shooting, isn't it? I wonder how much support and counseling these prison workers get. That sort of job has to be very stressful.
Of late, I've felt a lot of tension in the air and a feeling that everyone is on edge. This was a sad, sad thing to have happened. If one looks back on the news, of the past week or so, Sacramento County has had a surge of killings.
It certainly makes one wonder why all these killings is happening now! As you can see, I'm up late and losing sleep over this. I just hate to see this sort of thing happen to people.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:10 AM
This is from the Sac Bee of Thursday, January 18, 2007
Names are mentioned here... Go to the site below for photos and captions.
http://www.sacbee.co...ory/109699.html
Triple homicide jolts Folsom residents
Two women, man found slain in apparent murder-suicide
By David Richie and Ramon Coronado - Bee Staff Writers
Published 12:00 am PST Thursday, January 18, 2007
Story appeared in METRO section, Page B1
Folsom residents, unaccustomed to violent deaths in their neighborhoods, were shaken Wednesday by the discovery of two women and one man who died in what police describe as an apparent murder-suicide.
The incident is the first suspected homicide in the city since 1999, said Officer Michelle Beattie,spokeswoman for the Folsom Police Department.
The deaths in the home on Wembley Court came just four days after a Shingle Springs woman was killed in a collision with an alleged street racer on Iron Point Road. Police said the two teenagers who were racing will be charged with vehicular manslaughter.
By Wednesday evening, police had not released the identity of the three people found dead on Wembley Court. But the man and one of the women, described as in their 50s, are employees of Folsom State Prison, authorities said. The other woman was 31 years old, according to the Sacramento County Coroner's Office.
Property records indicate that Lawrence Howard Moll, 57, and Bonnie June Lathum, 56, own the home.
Each of the three people killed had gunshot wounds, and Folsom police investigators said the weapon used was a small-caliber handgun.
"It does appear to be a murder-suicide," Beattie said, adding that the deaths occurred late Tuesday or early Wednesday. "Indications are that the male victim suffered a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. And the gun was found nearby."
A Folsom police officer, making a check at the request of prison officials, saw a body through a window and forced his way inside shortly after 7 a.m. Wednesday.
Cheryl Campoy, spokeswoman for the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, said that "two employees did not show up for work and that prompted a check of their residence. That is standard procedure; it's part of our policy. We check on our employees."
Police investigators, coroner's officials and corrections investigators converged on Wembley Court after the bodies were discovered.
Investigators were on the scene throughout the day.
The relationships between the three persons were not revealed by authorities, and Beattie stressed that the investigation was still in its early stages.
"We want to make sure that we are not looking for a fourth party," she said.
Official identification, pending notification of next of kin, might not come before today, said Deputy Coroner Ed Smith.
"Police chaplains and prison folks are trying to get information for us about family members," Smith said.
Corrections spokeswoman Campoy said that grief counselors will be provided for Folsom prison employees.
A precautionary lockdown was implemented Wednesday afternoon and could continue today.
Wednesday morning, a steady stream of men and women in corrections uniforms was going behind police lines to the house.
A correctional officer at the scene said two of the victims were co-workers, the man a correctional officer and the woman an employee of the medical unit. He said he came to their house after he received a call about the discovery of bodies.
"(He) was a great guy. I've known him for lots and lots of years. I work with him and we're neighbors," said Terry White.
The couple had recently purchased property in Tennessee and planned to retire this year, White said.
Before police revealed their suspicion in the case, White said, "I don't think it was suicide because they were too happy."
Nearby neighbor Grace Rich said she didn't know the occupants of the house well, but that the woman "was a wonderful person, church-going, very sweet."
Rich said she had no prior indication of any problems.
"I walked out this morning and saw the police tape on my front yard," she said.
She also said she was concerned because she has younger children and will have to explain to them what happened.
By midafternoon, people from throughout the Folsom area were stopping by the scene, expressing shock at the events.
"I heard about it and came by to say a prayer for them," said one man who identified himself as a Folsom resident but did not give his name.
Names are mentioned here... Go to the site below for photos and captions.
http://www.sacbee.co...ory/109699.html
Triple homicide jolts Folsom residents
Two women, man found slain in apparent murder-suicide
By David Richie and Ramon Coronado - Bee Staff Writers
Published 12:00 am PST Thursday, January 18, 2007
Story appeared in METRO section, Page B1
Folsom residents, unaccustomed to violent deaths in their neighborhoods, were shaken Wednesday by the discovery of two women and one man who died in what police describe as an apparent murder-suicide.
The incident is the first suspected homicide in the city since 1999, said Officer Michelle Beattie,spokeswoman for the Folsom Police Department.
The deaths in the home on Wembley Court came just four days after a Shingle Springs woman was killed in a collision with an alleged street racer on Iron Point Road. Police said the two teenagers who were racing will be charged with vehicular manslaughter.
By Wednesday evening, police had not released the identity of the three people found dead on Wembley Court. But the man and one of the women, described as in their 50s, are employees of Folsom State Prison, authorities said. The other woman was 31 years old, according to the Sacramento County Coroner's Office.
Property records indicate that Lawrence Howard Moll, 57, and Bonnie June Lathum, 56, own the home.
Each of the three people killed had gunshot wounds, and Folsom police investigators said the weapon used was a small-caliber handgun.
"It does appear to be a murder-suicide," Beattie said, adding that the deaths occurred late Tuesday or early Wednesday. "Indications are that the male victim suffered a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. And the gun was found nearby."
A Folsom police officer, making a check at the request of prison officials, saw a body through a window and forced his way inside shortly after 7 a.m. Wednesday.
Cheryl Campoy, spokeswoman for the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, said that "two employees did not show up for work and that prompted a check of their residence. That is standard procedure; it's part of our policy. We check on our employees."
Police investigators, coroner's officials and corrections investigators converged on Wembley Court after the bodies were discovered.
Investigators were on the scene throughout the day.
The relationships between the three persons were not revealed by authorities, and Beattie stressed that the investigation was still in its early stages.
"We want to make sure that we are not looking for a fourth party," she said.
Official identification, pending notification of next of kin, might not come before today, said Deputy Coroner Ed Smith.
"Police chaplains and prison folks are trying to get information for us about family members," Smith said.
Corrections spokeswoman Campoy said that grief counselors will be provided for Folsom prison employees.
A precautionary lockdown was implemented Wednesday afternoon and could continue today.
Wednesday morning, a steady stream of men and women in corrections uniforms was going behind police lines to the house.
A correctional officer at the scene said two of the victims were co-workers, the man a correctional officer and the woman an employee of the medical unit. He said he came to their house after he received a call about the discovery of bodies.
"(He) was a great guy. I've known him for lots and lots of years. I work with him and we're neighbors," said Terry White.
The couple had recently purchased property in Tennessee and planned to retire this year, White said.
Before police revealed their suspicion in the case, White said, "I don't think it was suicide because they were too happy."
Nearby neighbor Grace Rich said she didn't know the occupants of the house well, but that the woman "was a wonderful person, church-going, very sweet."
Rich said she had no prior indication of any problems.
"I walked out this morning and saw the police tape on my front yard," she said.
She also said she was concerned because she has younger children and will have to explain to them what happened.
By midafternoon, people from throughout the Folsom area were stopping by the scene, expressing shock at the events.
"I heard about it and came by to say a prayer for them," said one man who identified himself as a Folsom resident but did not give his name.
A VETERAN
Whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America" for an amount "up to and including their life".
That is HONOR, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:26 AM
It goes to show, you never know! People may seem to be completely normal, but what really goes on inside their homes is a mystery.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:52 AM
Cheryl Campoy, spokeswoman for the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, said that "two employees did not show up for work and that prompted a check of their residence. That is standard procedure; it's part of our policy. We check on our employees."
Thank you for posting this info. It throws out the "who else knew" theory thats been eating at me. I have never called for a police check for an employee that is a little late for work, figure they slept in or got stuck in traffic. Good policy to have for anyone in this line of work.
Thank you for posting this info. It throws out the "who else knew" theory thats been eating at me. I have never called for a police check for an employee that is a little late for work, figure they slept in or got stuck in traffic. Good policy to have for anyone in this line of work.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:55 AM
QUOTE(eli @ Jan 18 2007, 08:52 AM) 
Cheryl Campoy, spokeswoman for the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, said that "two employees did not show up for work and that prompted a check of their residence. That is standard procedure; it's part of our policy. We check on our employees."
Thank you for posting this info. It throws out the "who else knew" theory thats been eating at me. I have never called for a police check for an employee that is a little late for work, figure they slept in or got stuck in traffic. Good policy to have for anyone in this line of work.
Thank you for posting this info. It throws out the "who else knew" theory thats been eating at me. I have never called for a police check for an employee that is a little late for work, figure they slept in or got stuck in traffic. Good policy to have for anyone in this line of work.
Well in that line of work, you would hope they keep an eye for their employees.
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Hi everyone, I wanted to start by saying, I have lived in Folsom my whole life and recently found Folsom Forum... and love it! I am addicted.
Ok so back on topic... I know this has been said already, and there is alot of info in the media, but my husband is a Correctional Officer here in town and works out at 24 hr, he seems to think the info in the above quote may be innaccurate, of course he is not sure, he seems to think the man listed in the news is not the same guy being mentioned here. Of course I don't really know any more than anybody else, but whan I mentioned what I read here to my husband, he about had a heart attack, because he knows the women identified above (by appearance) so point being maybe we should be careful because we may unintentionally implying the somebody that is still here with us... isn't. Not trying to step on any toes, just trying to be cautious.
Did that make sense?
Hi everyone, I wanted to start by saying, I have lived in Folsom my whole life and recently found Folsom Forum... and love it! I am addicted.
Ok so back on topic... I know this has been said already, and there is alot of info in the media, but my husband is a Correctional Officer here in town and works out at 24 hr, he seems to think the info in the above quote may be innaccurate, of course he is not sure, he seems to think the man listed in the news is not the same guy being mentioned here. Of course I don't really know any more than anybody else, but whan I mentioned what I read here to my husband, he about had a heart attack, because he knows the women identified above (by appearance) so point being maybe we should be careful because we may unintentionally implying the somebody that is still here with us... isn't. Not trying to step on any toes, just trying to be cautious.
Did that make sense?
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 10:56 AM
QUOTE(bv1016 @ Jan 18 2007, 09:56 AM)
Did that make sense?
Kinda, but welcome to the forum
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:39 PM
welcome old bv 1016
I'd be guessing that there will be an official announcement of the victims real soon. I think they have to get the next of kin first so a relative wouln't hear about it on the evening news.
as far as maybe its the wrong guy from 24 hour. shucks if somebody thought I was dead and I wasn't I'd just be happy it wasn't me
the reason the prison folks check on employees is there is the chance that a guard made somebody mad and the friends on the outside could be gettin even.
had a guard tell me one time he was firm but not to the exterme cause of the chance that one of those sicko's would want to get even.
too bad it takes a murder to get so many folks looking at posts on my folsom
I'd be guessing that there will be an official announcement of the victims real soon. I think they have to get the next of kin first so a relative wouln't hear about it on the evening news.
as far as maybe its the wrong guy from 24 hour. shucks if somebody thought I was dead and I wasn't I'd just be happy it wasn't me
the reason the prison folks check on employees is there is the chance that a guard made somebody mad and the friends on the outside could be gettin even.
had a guard tell me one time he was firm but not to the exterme cause of the chance that one of those sicko's would want to get even.
too bad it takes a murder to get so many folks looking at posts on my folsom
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