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[folsom500]

I dont know the kid but I would bet that a 6month sentence would do as much to him as a 6 year on - especially with the 800 hours of community service...

A few pages later in the todays paper was the kid that was drunk ( underage) and driving his SUV and caused the deaths of two others and he got 6 years...

Yes Racing is the likely cause of this accident as opposed to speeding ( I agree that distinction needs to be made as in racing the mind is set on one focus and it is not necessarily other cars entering the road - while speeding is normally with a full focus on the surroundings)

But I question the adamant responses here- and as one poster said- how is this much different than a parent leaving their kid in a car to die >? and not be charged - this too is a violent viscous crime -

And my own pet peeve is - how much empathy has been shown by so many of the same posters that would like a life sentence for this kid - when parents kill their children by drowning them in their unprotected swimming pool .... they get more sympathy than shame --- and are never charged with the violent child neglect and second degree homicide that they could be...

think about it ---

F500

[supermom]

Time-out. Can we all please quit equating SPEEDING with RACING. My head's gonna explode if ONE MORE PERSON tries to make that comparison. When I do 70mph on Hwy 50 (and getting passed), I am speeding according to the law...I am NOT racing. GeeZuss KeyRiced.....

Well, from the physics stand point; let's evaluate that. The police have stated to the media that going 65 MPH on the part of the road could potentionally cause a car to flip. So, we are pretty sure the boys didn't get the car up that fast. The Speed limit is 45 MPH. So that is a 20 MPH difference.

You going down Hwy 50 at 70 MPH is 15 MPH over the speed limit. The cars passing you must be going--what? at least 7 MPH per 300 ' faster than you; in order to pass. So, we'll guesttimate it at 77 MPH. So, your right. You (by you- I mean the you and the people passisng you) are a lot more dangerous driver than the kids.

Now, let's evaluate the WORD speeding. To race to a destination. To compete for top speed.

Dang--equating speeding to racing is right on the mark. But how you CHOOSE to justify your choices is no one's business--until damage to property, life has been done. Unless ofcoarse-a policeman happens to pick up his radar.

So, let's be a bit candid. You (meaning speeders) are just liable to create a horrifying accident as a "racer".

Period.

Ok---just my ____.02 for the day.

[FolsomBarb]

You going down Hwy 50 at 70 MPH is 15 MPH over the speed limit.

uhhhhhh.....not to split hairs, but the speed limit on 50 is 65, so 70 MPH is only 5 over, not 15. Again, not to split hairs......and also not to deflect attention away from the actual topic.

[supermom]

uhhhhhh.....not to split hairs, but the speed limit on 50 is 65, so 70 MPH is only 5 over, not 15. Again, not to split hairs......and also not to deflect attention away from the actual topic.

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[ChipShot]

The News10.net online story mentions the boy was uninsured. I find that absolutely incredible!

Hopefully, since the kids are "minors", the McNews can nail the parents liability coverage in a civil trial (probably settle out-of-court). I hope that's possible. They're getting-off way too easy so far.

[Darthvader]

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I love it when chicks do math....

[folsom500]

Well, from the physics stand point; let's evaluate that. The police have stated to the media that going 65 MPH on the part of the road could potentionally cause a car to flip. So, we are pretty sure the boys didn't get the car up that fast. The Speed limit is 45 MPH. So that is a 20 MPH difference.

You going down Hwy 50 at 70 MPH is 15 MPH over the speed limit. The cars passing you must be going--what? at least 7 MPH per 300 ' faster than you; in order to pass. So, we'll guesttimate it at 77 MPH. So, your right. You (by you- I mean the you and the people passisng you) are a lot more dangerous driver than the kids.

Now, let's evaluate the WORD speeding. To race to a destination. To compete for top speed.

Dang--equating speeding to racing is right on the mark. But how you CHOOSE to justify your choices is no one's business--until damage to property, life has been done. Unless ofcoarse-a policeman happens to pick up his radar.

So, let's be a bit candid. You (meaning speeders) are just liable to create a horrifying accident as a "racer".

Period.

Ok---just my ____.02 for the day.

Just for the record - in the two years that I lived in Rocklin and commuted to the bay area- if you were doing under 80-85 you must be in the slow lane-- The FLOW was 75 -80 MPH all the way on 80 as well as much of 580 - I was amazed at this at first having lived in SJ for most of my life till 1999- where- if we were lucky on a good day during sunlight we could go 40 on the freeway...

So speeding and racing are two very separate worlds...
... including and maybe especially the focal point of the drivers differ...

Cheers
F500

[klbiker]

Hopefully, since the kids are "minors", the McNews can nail the parents liability coverage in a civil trial (probably settle out-of-court). I hope that's possible. They're getting-off way too easy so far.

The Sacbee article suggests that a civil suit against the boys family is not an option because the boy was a minor.

[klbiker]

Hopefully, since the kids are "minors", the McNews can nail the parents liability coverage in a civil trial (probably settle out-of-court). I hope that's possible. They're getting-off way too easy so far.

The Sacbee article suggests that a civil suit against the boys family is not an option because the boy was a minor.

[ChipShot]

The Sacbee article suggests that a civil suit against the boys family is not an option because the boy was a minor.

That doesn't make any sense. You are responsible for your minor, dependent children, not your "of-age" adult/non-dependent children. No?

[supermom]

So speeding and racing are two very separate worlds...
... including and maybe especially the focal point of the drivers differ...

Naw--that's just a person trying to justify in their own mind that it's ok for them but not for anyone else.

Really pathetic when you think about it.

Going over the speed limit is against the law. Going faster than you should is speeding.
Going fast to compete or get somewhere in a rush-hey -sorry you don't like this--but it is racing.

If you can't understand that--then how can you expect someone who is not a seasoned driver (like a teenager) to do so? How can you hold them to the same punishment standards? Experience often times dictates good choices; fear of consequences dictates caution; maturity dictates the ability to reason properly.

So if you are a speeder going 80 MPH in a posted 65 MPH or 70 MPH; I gotta wonder. Which one are you lacking: experience, fear of consequences or maturity?

Now, those of you whom want to continue to justify speeding on the freeway at 15 to 20 MPH faster than the speed limit because that is the flow of traffic--I would like to remind you that the law states going 20 MPH over the posted speed limit regardless of road conditions is reckless driving and shall being ticketed in that category.

It's amazing how some of the posters on this forum want to villify teens--yet can't cop to their own irresponsible driving. ( If you aren't one of them - then that statement shouldn't offend you).

[ducky]

Where are these numbers coming from of 65 causing a car to flip?

The Sac Bee article said he only slowed down to 65 mph after skidding 150 feet and was doing 90 to begin with. I would think going 5 mph over the 65 mph limit on the freeway is a bit different than an exhibition of speed such as 90 mph.

It's not that hard for me to distinguish between speeding and racing. Both are wrong on city streets, but to me speeding is a singular act where racing is like the tango and it takes two. Only the two drivers know whether one was trying to overtake the other or whether they were both just traveling recklessly side by side.

The optimist in me hopes that after the time is served the youth has the courage to live a productive life so Mr. McNew can get a real apology

[doj_gal]

Naw--that's just a person trying to justify in their own mind that it's ok for them but not for anyone else.

Really pathetic when you think about it.

Going over the speed limit is against the law. Going faster than you should is speeding.
Going fast to compete or get somewhere in a rush-hey -sorry you don't like this--but it is racing.

If you can't understand that--then how can you expect someone who is not a seasoned driver (like a teenager) to do so? How can you hold them to the same punishment standards? Experience often times dictates good choices; fear of consequences dictates caution; maturity dictates the ability to reason properly.

So if you are a speeder going 80 MPH in a posted 65 MPH or 70 MPH; I gotta wonder. Which one are you lacking: experience, fear of consequences or maturity?

Now, those of you whom want to continue to justify speeding on the freeway at 15 to 20 MPH faster than the speed limit because that is the flow of traffic--I would like to remind you that the law states going 20 MPH over the posted speed limit regardless of road conditions is reckless driving and shall being ticketed in that category.

It's amazing how some of the posters on this forum want to villify teens--yet can't cop to their own irresponsible driving. ( If you aren't one of them - then that statement shouldn't offend you).

You are today's GODDESS of the forum...BRAVO...I applaud you for putting the lynch mob in their place with a solid and grounded arguement!!! I def could not have said it better...thank you for putting into words what I feel!!!

[ChipShot]

I would think going 5 mph over the 65 mph limit on the freeway is a bit different than an exhibition of speed such as 90 mph.

Ahhh, finally some more common sense (along with mine). I knew we'd get back to rational thinking eventually. Thanks.

[brown]

Going over the speed limit is against the law. Going faster than you should is speeding.
Going fast to compete or get somewhere in a rush-hey -sorry you don't like this--but it is racing.

If you can't understand that--then how can you expect someone who is not a seasoned driver (like a teenager) to do so? How can you hold them to the same punishment standards? Experience often times dictates good choices; fear of consequences dictates caution; maturity dictates the ability to reason properly.

I could care less about the difference between speeding and racing, but teens have to read the same drivers handbook and pass the same tests that you and I did to get their license. They are subject to the same rules and laws that you and I are. Saying that they can't be held to the same punishment standards is a monumental copout.

And anyone with even an inkling of common sense knows that doing 90 on the freeway is nowhere near the same as doing 90 on Iron Point.