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#46 tessieca

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 10:02 PM

Good points, Roberrt, in both of your posts.

QUOTE(camay2327 @ Feb 29 2008, 01:56 PM) View Post
We do not have enough ball fields here in Folsom, but from the sound of things (I have heard it at the city council meetings) the schools do not let the Folsom leagues play on the high school fields.

My guess is that you're hearing the oldsters of the Parks & Rec Commission complaining about what used to be, not what is happening now. Ask Robert Goss or Lynn LePage about how things work now, and I'm sure you'll get a positive response. City and district have a solid joint use agreement, and besides a glitch here and there, it works out very well for all community members.


QUOTE(ducky @ Feb 29 2008, 04:51 PM) View Post
How did the school district handle the liability problem when they used to have swim lessons and public swimming at the old Folsom High School (Sutter Middle now)? My older two learned to swim there.

Also, it's hard to believe the Aquatic center is in the red. It is always packed in the summer and the swim lessons fill up quickly so it certainly isn't due to attendance being down.


Hard to believe, maybe, but true. Lembi has always operated in the red, and the council knew it would before it opened. Back when the city used the old FHS pool, there was only one game in town, so insurance, lifeguards, etc., were supplied by the city for their lessons and teams. Now it doesn't make sense for them to do the same at a high school site when they can't even make ends meet at their own site. The most cost effective thing for both of your governmental organizations right now is to share the use of Lembi until district funds can support the pool at Vista. That'll happen eventually, just not this year.

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 07:38 AM

Sorry, I disagree that the school system should be footing the bill on a swimming pool when there are many other important programs being cut. I'm all for a pool, but heating it to 80 degrees in the middle of the winter????? We don't even set the house thermostat that high!!!!

It is an exorbant expenditure and before you fund that, fund the important school projects. I think we should get all of the "lobbyists" that pushed for the pool to start paying up.....what? They're not out there voicing their opinions anymore? They must have lost their shirts when their adjustable mortgages came due..........

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 03:36 PM

QUOTE(Robert Giacometti @ Feb 29 2008, 08:00 PM) View Post
Its really premature to be making any final decisions regarding this pool.

#1. The new school may be at about 35% to 40% of its capacity for enrollment. When the enrollment reaches capacity it may be cost effective to reopen the pool

#2. The Distrct made a savy financial choice to close the pool for 23 swimmers instead of paying the costs of $150,000 to heat and operate the pool now.

#3. At buildout, there will be 2 HS swim teams, the Sea Otters ( local Club team) and a regional competitive swim team all based in Folsom. Lembi will NOT be able to accomodate all these groups, so the pool at Vista will be needed.

#4. If the city expands S50, it may be awhile before a pool will be be built there, so Vista may be able to accomodate the overflow.

#5. If we want to be a desirable city to live in , then we need to build top of the line recreational facilities, along with cultural arts centers and other amenties. These are what contribute to making Folsom desirable!


I'm new to MyFolsom, and a former long-term competitive swimmer. I feel compelled to make my first post kudos to Mr. Giacometti for the analysis here. I think I can pretty safely say that NO community pool built is ever a profit center for the community that built it. Therefore, factors other than profitability need to be considered, and the list above shows exactly the right ones to to balance against cost. I live in Folsom specifically because of facilities like the pools at Vista and Lembi. This city thinks prospectively, and, seeing the potential for even more growth (south of 50) and the over-subscription of the Aquatic Center (despite its financial woes), this pool makes all kinds of sense for the community.

The city and the school district need this pool to satisfy the demand that the community puts on Lembi. I think the smart way out would be to wait a year to allow enrollment at Vista to increase, then open the pool at the start of next year's high school swim season, and leave it open to the public through the end of that summer. Give residents the choice to swim laps at either pool in the meantime. Given the choice, I would be surprised if all the competitive teams and swimmers stayed at Lembi. Over time, the Vista Pool will be used to its maximum.

And three other bits of information.

a. I think Lembi has a particularly difficult time staying ahead of its expenses because it has been conceived to be a cheap water amusement park. When you have recreational swimmers and non-swimmers running around a water slide and jungle gym, you need a lot of skilled and expensive life guards. The Vista Pool (which, from what I could see looking through the chain-link fence around it, looks like a competitive swimmer's dream come true) tends only to lend itself to exercise/competition, which requires significantly less payroll (in fact, none at all, if you have appropriately qualified coaches).

b. Darth Vader's comment that a competitive pool needs to be about 79 is dead on. It's like a magic number: much colder during the winter, and you have health and safety risks. Any hotter, and you have a different set of problems. And if you think that seems like a high temperature, put on just your underwear and jump into a pool set to room temperature (68 to 72). It hurts, you can barely move, and you will be blue in minutes. Virtually all pools that run year-round are set to somewhere between 77 and 81.

c. Unless there has been some striking improvement in the last 20 years, solar heating panels on a swimming pool have relatively little advantage. They only work when its hot out anyway, and usually you have to spend a bunch on the electricity to pump millions of gallons of water way up to the top of the building/hill where the solar farm is located. Solar pool covers work pretty well, but again, depend upon good weather to begin with. Balanced against the initial costs of purchasing solar panels and finding real estate to put them in, I understand that the advantage is washed out.
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 04:13 PM

Wow--these are all some great posts--but as I sit back and try to absorb the enormity of 20 + million dollars== I began to wonder.

Why in the heck did we not just go and build a glassed in enclosure around the pool which would insulate a heated pool?

Surely for 25 milllllll ion dollars---we can properly state that this pool was not objectively researched before being approved-let alone built?

And please don't tell me that glassed in pools don't work. They work great in the Mid-West, and in Europe.

The pool at FT. Sill, OK was heated and comfy--when I had to do knee-rehab, there.
The pools in Birkenfeld, Germany were awesome.

Oh--and they were huge.

And doesn't Florida have indoor pools in a lot of their holiday rental properties?

Yeah, I know: surely we could have gotten a better bidder if competitors were opened up to the gen. population, right?

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 04:45 PM

I know I'm late to the party here, which is rare cheers.gif , but when I first read this in the paper I thought "priorities". In these budget times, there's no way to justify that expense. Open it up for summer and make some money. Kids don't care if it's a little "cold" (a 70-80 degree pool isn't that cold when it's warm/hot outside). They're just happy to have a pool.
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Posted 07 March 2008 - 04:07 PM

QUOTE(supermom @ Mar 6 2008, 04:13 PM) View Post
Wow--these are all some great posts--but as I sit back and try to absorb the enormity of 20 + million dollars== I began to wonder.

Surely for 25 milllllll ion dollars---we can properly state that this pool was not objectively researched before being approved-let alone built?

Did you lose your way? $25 million? You've got your numbers screwed up.
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