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[ducky]

The whole alcohol argument is silly. By the time people leave Purple Place heading towards home they have a LOT more speed built up than if they were leaving the Strikes area drunk!

Well, good point. I guess I'm picturing a younger, perhaps less-responsible crowd depending on what type of music venues they have late at night. Also, Purple Place isn't as conveniently located to a park for people to spill over into. Another thing the younger crowd does is brings their own booze and drinks in their cars and go out into the parking lot to drink because they can't afford the drinks inside. I'm not saying this happens, but it is something to think about.

Like I said, just raising questions that will probably be answered by the owners since they seem perfectly willing to address them. Heck, I don't even live in that neighborhood, so I don't know why I'm posting. The NIMBY real estate agent will have to take over. I'm done.

[normajean]

Bring it on! Sounds like a great place, and if you don't like it, hmmm, don't go there!!! I have been to some bowling alleys out of state that sound like this place. They are amazing, fun, clean and very family oriented. I think this woman has some other ax to grind.....

Can't wait til they open!

[MikeinFolsom]

If it is such a "family oriented" business, why have the night club part lasting until 2am? The current Folsom bowling alley is such a clean, nice hang out for the kids, why not have all the drunks move from that one over to the new "state of the art" bar? Like my mama always said.......nothing good happens out after midnight......

[FamilyisFirst]

I have been to the Strikes in Rocklin a couple times. It is located in the middle of soon-to-be commercial zone - the unruly sprawl that is Fairway/Lonetree in that area. Homes are a good 1/2 mile away by street, perhaps a little closer as the crow flies. I am not too familiar with the proposed location (other than Roma's), but I think there is not direct street access between the neighborhood directly behind the shopping center and the old Ralph's - I could be wrong - but it is not like Strikes will be your next-door neighbor.

As for the facility - it is really nice. I had not bowled in 20+ years and this place blew me away. It is all automated, and even has automated bumpers that rise when it's the little one's turn to keep them out of the gutter. They even have smaller balls for the kids. The place is clean and well kept and will definitely be a great, and welcome, addition to our community.

As for the night-life and drinking aspect - I could not comment. However, if it somehow *did* become a problem, I am sure the business would have trouble with their liquor license, just like every other place in town that serves booze. I would not mind joining a bowling league in town - Rocklin is too far away.

I say, welcome, Strikes, to Folsom!

harrmill

[FamilyisFirst]

As a homeowner and concerned citizen, I am not happy with the idea of Strikes occupying the old Ralphs building for more reasons than are mentioned in these postings.

We are concerned with the fact that the bar would be open every Friday and Saturday night until 2 a.m, Strikes would replace our previously peaceful weekends with the noise and disruption associated with DJ’s and Live Bands every Thursday through Saturday night. Many of our homes back up to the shopping center and adjacent park. We are concerned about the amount of alcohol patrons will be consuming at a bowling alley with a bar, especially one that encourages consumption with drink specials (i.e. “college night” and buckets with bottles of cheap beer, as well as Happy Hour daily). We are concerned with the simple fact that the police have had to respond to numerous calls at Strikes in Rocklin, the vast majority of which are alcohol-related.

There was mention that the Strikes in Rocklin does not have a park located immediately next to it, allowing for convenient “alternative” drinking areas for those who are underage and/or cannot afford the drink prices at Strikes. Elvie Perazzo Briggs Park is IMMEDIATELY next to the parking lot. There are also numerous sporting events (kids’ soccer and baseball games and practices specifically) which would coincide with their daily “Happy Hour.” To introduce even more alcohol availability into the area during such a congested time would increase the possibility of a tragedy. We are trying to avoid that.

No, there is no DIRECT street access to our neighborhood, but our backyards are located immediately behind the building (with about a 50 foot driveway in between). The noise would be a monumental problem, as would the spill-over effect. Those of us whose backyards do not back up to the building are immediately next to the park, hence the concern for the “spill-over” drinking.

The old Ralphs building was never meant to house a business such as this. The owners of Strikes need to apply for a “Conditional Use Permit” with the City because this was NEVER the purpose for this shopping center. Responsible drinking is not the problem. Reasonable noise during regular hours is not the problem. Families enjoying themselves and spending time together is most certainly not the problem. The problem begins when Strikes brings a disruptive element into our neighborhood and affects our ability to peacefully enjoy our lives. The problem begins when Strikes promotes alcohol consumption with drink specials and “buckets of beer,” enabling irresponsible drinkers to place the children and families of Folsom at risk.

One of the other posts mentioned that they hate it when people “don’t think things through.” We are doing just that. We are looking at all of the angles and we really cannot see why this particular location is the only one that Strikes is willing to consider. With the extensive development in and around Folsom, certainly there is a more appropriate location that would not disrupt people’s lives. For instance, what about the vacant 24-Hour Fitness location on Bidwell, or the soon-to-be-vacant PetSmart in Broadstone? Both of these are much more appropriate sites. They have wider streets to accommodate traffic. They are closer to emergency services and they DO NOT BACK UP TO PEOPLE’S HOMES!!!

I would love to see Strikes come to Folsom. I would frequent their establishment, have birthday parties there, and be happy to welcome them to our area. I simply DO NOT want them to take away my family’s ability to enjoy our lives as we always have.

[ChipShot]

Hey, I'm as 'NIMBY' as the next guy. I'm in Broadstone, and I don't want it in my area either....so I think the Ralph's location is perfect.

See how 'round and round' we go ??

[Bill Z]

Hey, I'm as 'NIMBY' as the next guy. I'm in Broadstone, and I don't want it in my area either....so I think the Ralph's location is perfect.

See how 'round and round' we go ??

I live in Briggs Ranch and I would love to see Strikes come to the empty Ralph's location.
that business center is dying because of the draw to the Raley's across the street. And while I was hoping a Fresh'n'Easy was going to open there, if they aren't then it would be nice to have something fun and entertaining to do nearby. The old bowling alley is pretty rundown and our city could really use a new set of lanes.

[ducky]

As a homeowner and concerned citizen, I am not happy with the idea of Strikes occupying the old Ralphs building for more reasons than are mentioned in these postings.

We are concerned with the fact that the bar would be open every Friday and Saturday night until 2 a.m, Strikes would replace our previously peaceful weekends with the noise and disruption associated with DJ’s and Live Bands every Thursday through Saturday night. Many of our homes back up to the shopping center and adjacent park. We are concerned about the amount of alcohol patrons will be consuming at a bowling alley with a bar, especially one that encourages consumption with drink specials (i.e. “college night” and buckets with bottles of cheap beer, as well as Happy Hour daily). We are concerned with the simple fact that the police have had to respond to numerous calls at Strikes in Rocklin, the vast majority of which are alcohol-related.

There was mention that the Strikes in Rocklin does not have a park located immediately next to it, allowing for convenient “alternative” drinking areas for those who are underage and/or cannot afford the drink prices at Strikes. Elvie Perazzo Briggs Park is IMMEDIATELY next to the parking lot. There are also numerous sporting events (kids’ soccer and baseball games and practices specifically) which would coincide with their daily “Happy Hour.” To introduce even more alcohol availability into the area during such a congested time would increase the possibility of a tragedy. We are trying to avoid that.

No, there is no DIRECT street access to our neighborhood, but our backyards are located immediately behind the building (with about a 50 foot driveway in between). The noise would be a monumental problem, as would the spill-over effect. Those of us whose backyards do not back up to the building are immediately next to the park, hence the concern for the “spill-over” drinking.

The old Ralphs building was never meant to house a business such as this. The owners of Strikes need to apply for a “Conditional Use Permit” with the City because this was NEVER the purpose for this shopping center. Responsible drinking is not the problem. Reasonable noise during regular hours is not the problem. Families enjoying themselves and spending time together is most certainly not the problem. The problem begins when Strikes brings a disruptive element into our neighborhood and affects our ability to peacefully enjoy our lives. The problem begins when Strikes promotes alcohol consumption with drink specials and “buckets of beer,” enabling irresponsible drinkers to place the children and families of Folsom at risk.

One of the other posts mentioned that they hate it when people “don’t think things through.” We are doing just that. We are looking at all of the angles and we really cannot see why this particular location is the only one that Strikes is willing to consider. With the extensive development in and around Folsom, certainly there is a more appropriate location that would not disrupt people’s lives. For instance, what about the vacant 24-Hour Fitness location on Bidwell, or the soon-to-be-vacant PetSmart in Broadstone? Both of these are much more appropriate sites. They have wider streets to accommodate traffic. They are closer to emergency services and they DO NOT BACK UP TO PEOPLE’S HOMES!!!

I would love to see Strikes come to Folsom. I would frequent their establishment, have birthday parties there, and be happy to welcome them to our area. I simply DO NOT want them to take away my family’s ability to enjoy our lives as we always have.

Whoa, familyfirst, not so fast there to throw it in someone else's neighborhood. I'll forgive you the Bidwell when you meant East Bidwell, but don't be so quick and NIMBY to throw it into someone else's backyard. I already have the pleasure of living two streets back from a bowling alley with a casino attached. I already know what it sounds like in the wee night hours in my backyard.

Besides, the old 24 Hour location is getting ready to be occupied by a Grocery Outlet. Also, I don't want the night club at Strikes to compete with Streets of London and put it out of business. I really like Streets and one of these days want to try their trivia night.

It's not really that the bowling alley has a bar. If that were so, why not protest the restaurants in the Raley's center? If the protest is because of the late hours of the night club that extend beyond what a restaurant would, why not just ask that the night club not be allowed. If that were the case, I'm sure Strikes would be a welcome addition to Folsom sans resident protests.

[FamilyisFirst]

Whoa, familyfirst, not so fast there to throw it in someone else's neighborhood. I'll forgive you the Bidwell when you meant East Bidwell, but don't be so quick and NIMBY to throw it into someone else's backyard. I already have the pleasure of living two streets back from a bowling alley with a casino attached. I already know what it sounds like in the wee night hours in my backyard.

Besides, the old 24 Hour location is getting ready to be occupied by a Grocery Outlet. Also, I don't want the night club at Strikes to compete with Streets of London and put it out of business. I really like Streets and one of these days want to try their trivia night.

It's not really that the bowling alley has a bar. If that were so, why not protest the restaurants in the Raley's center? If the protest is because of the late hours of the night club that extend beyond what a restaurant would, why not just ask that the night club not be allowed. If that were the case, I'm sure Strikes would be a welcome addition to Folsom sans resident protests.

[M.E.G.]

Just a couple of comments.

I doubt very seriously if there were any problem with "spillover drinking in the park" that it would take more than one or two times of our very active FPD to put a stop to that. Underage drinkers that get caught have stiff penalties, I don't really think they will be hanging out in such an open area. There are better parks for that.

People have a right to consume as much alcohol as they want, as long as they don't drink and drive. Its ok to have an expensive glass of wine at the wine bar, but just don't buy cheap drinks, you might drink more? Come on, if someone is going to be irresponsible, they will, cost not a factor.

For those who's homes back up to the retail/commercial center, what can I say? You bought a house backing to a commercial/retail site. Businesses move in and out of those all the time. If noise were a concern, that location would not have been my choice in the first place. You are never guaranteed what might go in there.

I appreciate that you are worried about the children and famlies of Folsom, but as bad as Strikes is supposedly, you are willing to risk other areas of Folsom, just so long as its not your area.

I am not in the know, but perhaps the Ralphs center has the best possible lease for Strikes?

Hopefully Strikes will get a conditional use permit. The key word is conditional.


M.E.G.

[Darthvader]

Change your handle to PROPERTYVALUEISFIRST because that's what all your hogwash arguments are really about. Hiding all your "concerns" behind family this and that is BS. I hope they open up by the end of the year!

[Bill Z]

Did you mean to say something when replying to Ducky. There was no comment included.

[FamilyisFirst]

The fact that the bowling alley has a bar is not the main issue. The fact is, as you mentioned, there are more than enough alcohol-serving establishments in the area (Mexquite, Ravine, the golf course...heck, even TWO in the same shopping center...Roma's and Rice Express). The main issue is the sheer VOLUME of drinking and partying that would be taking place at Strikes. It should be pretty obvious that the number of people they want to come and "party" at their bar would be much greater than all of the other bar/restaurants in the vicinity. Correct me if I am wrong...but I don't think any of the other establishments has a "College Night" with live bands and buckets of Tecate! You cannot convince me that your main focus is that of a "family entertainment center" when the partying is a main draw.

I think it is a reasonable assumption that someone who goes into the Ravine or Mexquite, or Roma's or Rice Express goes there with the intention of having a glass of wine, a beer with the pizza or a cocktail with friends...probably not to order a bucket of beer. I find it hard to believe that anyone who goes in and orders buckets of beer has any plan to drink responsibly. I hope I am wrong and that they will ALL know their limits, drink responsibly or have a designated driver...but I am not willing to gamble the safety of the families on the streets based on that pipedream.

I sympathize with the fact that you live two streets from the bowling alley/casino. However, since the bowling alley has been there practically since God was a child, you moved into your home with the full knowledge that the bowling alley/bar/casino was there. When we moved in, a grocery store was there. There is a monumental difference between a grocery store and a larger version of "Powerhouse Pub!"

You mention noise in the "wee hours in my backyard." Imagine for a moment that you were not TWO STREETS from the bowling alley, but instead 50 feet from it. Imagine the noise level then!!! Certainly you, of all people, can understand our concerns!

If the Strikes owners would consider closing at a decent hour and eliminating the bands and DJs, we could have a possible solution. But, considering that it is a HUGE portion of their income, I don't see that happening.

I would welcome Strikes to Folsom, ANYWHERE but in that shopping center. To the poster from Broadstone: That center has homes nearby, but not within 50 FEET!! Plus, the fire department is there, there a 4-lane road and there is nearly immediate access to the freeway...MUCH better location.

I just want to be able to live in peace. That is why we moved here. I just want the families living in our area, or who visit our parks to be as safe as possible. Why is this such a contentious point?

[Darthvader]

Are you serious? The Broadstone area is already congested and will get worse with the new mall and all the other junk going up around Costco. And why do you need 4 lanes to feed a bowling alley? How many 1000's of people do you think will be going there every weekend? You forgot to mention all the boaters and kids drinking out on the lake traversing the BR area in your argument but that's not the wee hours of the night I guess.

Once the new Dam bridge is completed it will make for easy access to the place from the Granite Bay side, great selling point for that business. Briggs Ranch used to be the edge of town and now it's not and you don't like it.

Don't ruin the fun for the rest of us because you thought the quaint little grocery store would be in your backyard forever.

[ducky]

The fact that the bowling alley has a bar is not the main issue. The fact is, as you mentioned, there are more than enough alcohol-serving establishments in the area (Mexquite, Ravine, the golf course...heck, even TWO in the same shopping center...Roma's and Rice Express). The main issue is the sheer VOLUME of drinking and partying that would be taking place at Strikes. It should be pretty obvious that the number of people they want to come and "party" at their bar would be much greater than all of the other bar/restaurants in the vicinity. Correct me if I am wrong...but I don't think any of the other establishments has a "College Night" with live bands and buckets of Tecate! You cannot convince me that your main focus is that of a "family entertainment center" when the partying is a main draw.

I think it is a reasonable assumption that someone who goes into the Ravine or Mexquite, or Roma's or Rice Express goes there with the intention of having a glass of wine, a beer with the pizza or a cocktail with friends...probably not to order a bucket of beer. I find it hard to believe that anyone who goes in and orders buckets of beer has any plan to drink responsibly. I hope I am wrong and that they will ALL know their limits, drink responsibly or have a designated driver...but I am not willing to gamble the safety of the families on the streets based on that pipedream.

I sympathize with the fact that you live two streets from the bowling alley/casino. However, since the bowling alley has been there practically since God was a child, you moved into your home with the full knowledge that the bowling alley/bar/casino was there. When we moved in, a grocery store was there. There is a monumental difference between a grocery store and a larger version of "Powerhouse Pub!"

You mention noise in the "wee hours in my backyard." Imagine for a moment that you were not TWO STREETS from the bowling alley, but instead 50 feet from it. Imagine the noise level then!!! Certainly you, of all people, can understand our concerns!

If the Strikes owners would consider closing at a decent hour and eliminating the bands and DJs, we could have a possible solution. But, considering that it is a HUGE portion of their income, I don't see that happening.

I would welcome Strikes to Folsom, ANYWHERE but in that shopping center. To the poster from Broadstone: That center has homes nearby, but not within 50 FEET!! Plus, the fire department is there, there a 4-lane road and there is nearly immediate access to the freeway...MUCH better location.

I just want to be able to live in peace. That is why we moved here. I just want the families living in our area, or who visit our parks to be as safe as possible. Why is this such a contentious point?

To be fair, when I moved in 24 years ago, I don't think there was a card room attached to the bowling alley. They just had a couple pool tables. As far as noise, I hear a lot of laughing and talking and the occasionaly car screeching, but, to tell you the truth, I think that is just from East Bidwell Street in general. As far as I can see, you are in no different position than the people who now have houses that back up to Target, Lowes, etc. They lived there for many decades with nothing but open field, knowing that businesses could go in there that make noise. Now they have a giant cinder block wall with trucks coming in loading and unloading.

I do understand your concern. That is why I posed the questions I did in my earlier posts. Those are just the things I would be asking if I lived in your neighborhood. I just don't appreciate it when people think their neighborhood is oh-so-much-more important than another's.