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[john]

I'm not a cycling fan at all. Never thought riding a bike was that much of a sport.

That said, I realize cycling has a huge following. HUGE! This is a seriously big deal, and any city would trip over themselves to get national TV exposure, thousands of out-of-town visitors, and a throng of media that will fill every restaurant and hotel in the area. Supermom, seriously, I think you underestimate how many people follow cycling.

I hope in future years Folsom gets a chance at being in on this. I think odds are pretty good with the American River Parkway which goes from Folsom to Sacramento. I don't dig cycling myself but I think it's a good jolt of money to the local economy at a time when it's really needed.

[eVader]

hey... where did your other thread go???

I don't know. Bummer because I started it to create a positive thread to find out who was going and maybe a group ride down. We'll see if it turns up again.

[aztransplant]

Try Alexandra (?) sometime...I think that's the name, it's off Sophia Parkway. Makes Iron Point look flat!

Awesome ride! Here's a great description for anyone who wants to try it: http://www.cyclefols...raHillClimb.pdf

[chris v]

Awesome ride! Here's a great description for anyone who wants to try it: http://www.cyclefols...raHillClimb.pdf

That looks tasty.

[supermom]

I'm not a cycling fan at all. Never thought riding a bike was that much of a sport.

That said, I realize cycling has a huge following. HUGE! This is a seriously big deal, and any city would trip over themselves to get national TV exposure, thousands of out-of-town visitors, and a throng of media that will fill every restaurant and hotel in the area. Supermom, seriously, I think you underestimate how many people follow cycling.

I hope in future years Folsom gets a chance at being in on this. I think odds are pretty good with the American River Parkway which goes from Folsom to Sacramento. I don't dig cycling myself but I think it's a good jolt of money to the local economy at a time when it's really needed.

No, John--I do not underestimate how popular this sport is.

However, I do think that the followers of this sport do underestimate how pissed off the rest of the community gets when street exhibitions force them to change their lives.

But aside from that---I was really interested in the conversation on how this stimulates the economy. I see that numbers were thrown out as estimations--but I'm still wondering---these nuimbers are just to state and city entities?

It would be interesting to ask the city busnesses' to willingly show if they made any kind of significant profit during the time the bikers are in town.



ps---just because the people on this thread love cycling--doesn't mean I can't say I think it sucks. Double standards here. The same people are quick to say other things suck on other threads.

Rather than get ruffled---how about just moving out of the thread?

[supermom]

http://www.mercedsun...ory/674547.html



Here's something interesting.

I thought, AMGEN has to pay the cities to shut down the roads for the race.

Turns out---The cities have to pay AMGEN.

Oh, but for the good of 100 racers and some sort $100 Million--which the taxpayers will see...when?


This seems like a blackmail, strong arming tactic---planning this event--waiting until 2 weeks before the event to tell which cities have been chosen as the start and stop points.

Forcing them to pay for the event. Pay to feed, and house the riders and the crews?

Forced to close streets and effectively closing businesses?

That $100 million dollars--you know where it's coming from?

The coffers of cities running alongside this race. During a depression--when cities are struggling to hand out food stamps and save kids from domestic abuse because State workers are furloughed.

WTF?

This is extravagant spending for these cities right now.

This is wrong.

[chris v]

waiting until 2 weeks before the event to tell which cities have been chosen as the start and stop points.

Where are you coming up with this 2 weeks thing?????

[folsombound]

Where are you coming up with this 2 weeks thing?????

Kinda funny since I've known the route for several months. It was published. You think they published the route several months ago and then waited until last week to tell the cities?

[eVader]

No, John--I do not underestimate how popular this sport is.

However, I do think that the followers of this sport do underestimate how pissed off the rest of the community gets when street exhibitions force them to change their lives.

But aside from that---I was really interested in the conversation on how this stimulates the economy. I see that numbers were thrown out as estimations--but I'm still wondering---these nuimbers are just to state and city entities?

It would be interesting to ask the city busnesses' to willingly show if they made any kind of significant profit during the time the bikers are in town.



ps---just because the people on this thread love cycling--doesn't mean I can't say I think it sucks. Double standards here. The same people are quick to say other things suck on other threads.

Rather than get ruffled---how about just moving out of the thread?

You have a good question - is the tour being in Sac worthwhile for the community, the local economy in relation to the disruption in traffic and access but you seem blind or ticked off that 98%of the posts here (yeah more stats w\o supporting data) are positive or neutral to the event. Perhaps the reason for the harsh and negative words is because a lot of folks don't share your opinion..so what? Ask the question, solicit responses and share in the insight you might gain.

Keep in mind, you didn't state you had no intention of being in downtown Sac on Saturday or that you would be inconvenienced in any way. It is a small 2.4 mile course plus buffer for spectators, press, and events but so what. It promises to be a great deal of fun, you have teams, press, promoters and crowds who will spend at least a few $$ during the day. At the least, the city breaks even, people get out of their houses, maybe ride their bikes more, have fun. But I bet it will led to bicycle shop visits, hit Crocker, Old Sac, or the shopping mall or restaurants.

[supermom]

Where are you coming up with this 2 weeks thing?????

{The city recently approved a contract with the race's organizer. Monday the City Council approved closing some downtown streets for the event, which includes a community ride and a fair. }


Your right--it is less than two weeks.

Nice amount of notice for shop owners, huh?



The color highlighted: this will be events that will cost more money to the city: and hopefully the city will get a return at the fair.



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[supermom]

You have a good question - is the tour being in Sac worthwhile for the community, the local economy in relation to the disruption in traffic and access but you seem blind or ticked off that 98%of the posts here (yeah more stats w\o supporting data) are positive or neutral to the event. Perhaps the reason for the harsh and negative words is because a lot of folks don't share your opinion..so what? Ask the question, solicit responses and share in the insight you might gain.

Keep in mind, you didn't state you had no intention of being in downtown Sac on Saturday or that you would be inconvenienced in any way. It is a small 2.4 mile course plus buffer for spectators, press, and events but so what. It promises to be a great deal of fun, you have teams, press, promoters and crowds who will spend at least a few $$ during the day. At the least, the city breaks even, people get out of their houses, maybe ride their bikes more, have fun. But I bet it will led to bicycle shop visits, hit Crocker, Old Sac, or the shopping mall or restaurants.

Good points--thanks for the polite response.

[chris v]

{The city recently approved a contract with the race's organizer. Monday the City Council approved closing some downtown streets for the event, which includes a community ride and a fair. }


Your right--it is less than two weeks.

Nice amount of notice for shop owners, huh?



The color highlighted: this will be events that will cost more money to the city: and hopefully the city will get a return at the fair.



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Community ride and street fair are independent of the TDC. This is nothing new... a friend of mine works right in the heart of all this at 18th and k, their shop has known about this for months... Seriously, stop trying to turn one thing into something it isn't. You don't like it but IT IS happening and their is NOTHING you can do about it. This event IS NOT something new... it has come through Sacramento before.

[supermom]

http://www.paloaltoo...ory.php?id=7180


Here's another city on the tour.

Note how much of the police force is being used?

And they are talking about cut backs ---yet pay for every cop to be on duty?
That means overtime---big bucks--


Note the comments on the bottom.
Folsom isn't the only town who has issues between cars and bikes.

Tell me again why we couldn't have put this race inside the Yosemite?
Beautiful backdrop, nice roads--fairly challenging hills.
Lots of money to be made in hotels. And all the traffic not affecting the main roads in cities on regular work days.

Bikers on a safe, non car race track for a few days.

Seems idealliic.

I will give props to the people at AMGEN making all these plans.
Wonder if I could hire one of them to plan my kids Birthday Party, this fall?

[chris v]

I will give props to the people at AMGEN making all these plans.
Wonder if I could hire one of them to plan my kids Birthday Party, this fall?

I wouldn't, you might complain about that too.

[folsombound]

http://www.paloaltoo...ory.php?id=7180


Here's another city on the tour.

Note how much of the police force is being used?

And they are talking about cut backs ---yet pay for every cop to be on duty?
That means overtime---big bucks--


Note the comments on the bottom.
Folsom isn't the only town who has issues between cars and bikes.

Tell me again why we couldn't have put this race inside the Yosemite?
Beautiful backdrop, nice roads--fairly challenging hills.
Lots of money to be made in hotels. And all the traffic not affecting the main roads in cities on regular work days.

Bikers on a safe, non car race track for a few days.

Seems idealliic.

I will give props to the people at AMGEN making all these plans.
Wonder if I could hire one of them to plan my kids Birthday Party, this fall?

Supermom, you should check your sources. The article you linked was LAST YEAR! The course DOES NOT go through Palo Alto this year. GEEZ!