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#46 Dave Burrell

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 07:05 AM

QUOTE (Thinkingoutloud @ Oct 5 2009, 07:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We tried Y2Yan this weekend. I liked it - thought the noodles were fresh and cooked perfectly. The fried rice wasn't greasy. All in all, I thought it was the best I've had around here and wouldn't hesitate to eat there again. biggrin.gif


Good to hear that's been my experience there too.

With all the notes about "no real Chinese food around here" I have to ask this question, what is real Chinese food? a Chinese chef, Chinese Owner, and Chinese Dishwasher?

The ingredients and dishes offered seem to be nearly the same at most Chinese places around here, maybe some add more spices then others but thats why I figured you have choices between such things as Szechwan style, general style, mongolian style etc.

Even when I went to China, it tasted for the most part the same as Chinese food here, sometimes there were different dishes offered such as Peking Duck and chicken feet (which I can live without here), but what do you folks who keep saying there is no real Chinese food here describe as real?

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 07:57 AM

QUOTE (davburr @ Oct 5 2009, 08:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With all the notes about "no real Chinese food around here" I have to ask this question, what is real Chinese food? a Chinese chef, Chinese Owner, and Chinese Dishwasher?


IMHO, your characterization should apply to the patrons, not the workers, in measuring how Chinese a place is. I mean that in a respectful, and positive way.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 08:30 AM

QUOTE (harrmill @ Oct 5 2009, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
IMHO, your characterization should apply to the patrons, not the workers, in measuring how Chinese a place is. I mean that in a respectful, and positive way.


Good point, that makes sense, and I agree. I have always found that when an ethnic restaurant is filled with people of the same ethnicity, that often indicates its very authentic and good.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 09:46 AM

I love hopsing, always have a good meal there. The spicy sczechuan eggplant is yummy.
China house has great szechuan chow mein which is very good.
Just recently went to Sunny garden on a friends recommendation and got orange chicken with just breast meat, unfried with brown rice and loved it.

I think we have some good choices in Folsom.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 10:28 AM

QUOTE (POConnor @ Oct 5 2009, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think we have some good choices in Folsom.


I think so too

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 10:46 AM

QUOTE (davburr @ Oct 5 2009, 08:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good to hear that's been my experience there too.

With all the notes about "no real Chinese food around here" I have to ask this question, what is real Chinese food? a Chinese chef, Chinese Owner, and Chinese Dishwasher?

The ingredients and dishes offered seem to be nearly the same at most Chinese places around here, maybe some add more spices then others but thats why I figured you have choices between such things as Szechwan style, general style, mongolian style etc.

Even when I went to China, it tasted for the most part the same as Chinese food here, sometimes there were different dishes offered such as Peking Duck and chicken feet (which I can live without here), but what do you folks who keep saying there is no real Chinese food here describe as real?


I view anytime someone claims there is no "real" "name your ethnicity" food in America, I take that as some egocentric nummynut that has no clue what they are talking about and is one of those "nothing America can do is as good as what they got at home" type of person.

BTW, I've had Peking duck and Bird's nest soup, I like the duck, but I wasn't impressed with the soup, seemed rather expensive for something that wasn't as tasty as other oriental soups I've had.
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Posted 05 October 2009 - 11:02 AM

Thanks for calling me an 'egocentric nummynut.' BTW, my position has been that there is an absence specifically in the Sac area, not necessarily in the US. For example, LA has some very good Korean and Chinese food.

<edit: I'm not that thin skinned. some of this is tongue-in-cheek. on the other hand, there are real differences, perhaps subtle, for which many in the US are indifferent but are noticeable for others and sufficient draw a line. would i go to sunny garden or t2 yan? on occasion, sure. is it authentic to me? some dishes, perhaps to a degree. is it good? i've certainly had much better.>

It's probably hard to understand if you haven't lived in other countries that have a noticeably different culture from the US.

For starters:
1) many restaurants specialize in a certain type of food. For example, in Japan, if you go to a sushi-ya, that's pretty much all you can order. Or a yakitori-ya. Or oden-ya. Or a Shabu-shabu place. Or a ramen place. Or a tonkatsu place. You go through an apprenticeship to work at these types of places. For sushi, you need a certification. Going through these specialized processes results in flavors and nuances and traditions that are perhaps lost on us in America. A gross point of fact along these lines is sushi. But there are examples in other countries as well. In Taiwan, for example, you'll have a restaurants the specialize only in Beef Noodle Soup. Or Shanghainese style dishes. You won't see a restaurant that caters to locals try to serve all different varieties of Chinese food because inevitably, none of it will taste as good as a restaurant that specializes. In Korea, you may go to a BiBimBap place or a Jige place or a Kalbi place.

Think of it as going to a restaurant here that serves, Italian, French, Spanish, American, German all under one roof. If you wanted Texas style BBQ, would you go to this restaurant or would you go to a BBQ place?

Food is a combination of ingredients, ratios, quality, skill, etc. It's like seeing an oncologist versus a general practitioner. Could you get by with latter? Perhaps, but if I have cancer, I'd prefer to be treated by the former.

I don't know, call me an egocentric nummynut. I don't care. I enjoy being able to differentiate beyond just a common set of ingredients.

Sorry, I had other points in mind but I'm tired of writing....

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 11:08 AM

QUOTE (folsom500 @ Sep 25 2009, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Reading through 3 pages to get to your post- I was thinking the same thing- there is NO REAL CHINESE FOOD place in Folsom or most other cities- it is all American / so called Chinese food. Full of Salt and to al-dante on the veggies...

I would rather have real Chinese food any time- Virtuall no sodium in the vegies ( oh Broccoli does not exist in real C food) - A bit bland but with wonderful sauces.. Most REAL Chinese vegies are overcooked a bit ..

Whole fish with the heads on - the eyes and cheeks have the best flavour... Fresh out of the aquarium...

Full roasted duck and pork to die for -

and your 8 oz tea glass filled with 1/4 fresh/ dried tea leaves...

Where can I get this in the area ??


I agree, there isn't really a good, authentic Chinese food in Folsom. I think the only place that comes even close is Sunny Garden. The best Chinese food I've had in Sacramento County is CF Cheng in the Natomas. 2063 Arena Blvd #140, Sacramento, CA 95834, (916) 928-7222. Coming from the bay area and have had real authentic Chinese food from great restaurants there, this is a good match! I was introduced by it from my cousins and friends who are also from the bay area. Price was reasonable too! It's too bad that it is 25 mins from Folsom but if anyone is in the area for some shopping, definitely try this place out. Go a little early for lunch or dinner to avoid waiting b/c it gets very busy in a small size restaurant.

Reviews: http://www.yelp.com/...heng-sacramento



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Posted 05 October 2009 - 11:52 AM

QUOTE (MAof3 @ Oct 5 2009, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree, there isn't really a good, authentic Chinese food in Folsom. I think the only place that comes even close is Sunny Garden. The best Chinese food I've had in Sacramento County is CF Cheng in the Natomas. 2063 Arena Blvd #140, Sacramento, CA 95834, (916) 928-7222. Coming from the bay area and have had real authentic Chinese food from great restaurants there, this is a good match! I was introduced by it from my cousins and friends who are also from the bay area. Price was reasonable too! It's too bad that it is 25 mins from Folsom but if anyone is in the area for some shopping, definitely try this place out. Go a little early for lunch or dinner to avoid waiting b/c it gets very busy in a small size restaurant.

Reviews: http://www.yelp.com/...heng-sacramento


I'll have to check out Sunny Garden soon.

Oh boy, those reviews for C F Cheng are very confusing, half say its great, the other half says it sucks. I would think if a restaurant was really good, the reviews for it would be more in line and consistent?

I know different people have different tastes, some like spicy, some don't and so on but sometimes reading reviews like that doesn't help me at all.. when I travel and look for the best places to go, I do extensive research on line and read all the reviews - I mainly look for a place that has consistently good reviews on more then one site (one or two bad reviews by obviously negative cranky people can be overlooked if they are in the minority).

Honestly though, I think the only way to find out what REALLY works for us, is to go experience it ourselves.

I've been to Hong Kong and only ate Chinese food the entire time while there - I don't travel half way around the world to eat anything I can find near home. I'm very interested to see what C F Changs serves that's supposed to be HK authentic. Can a chef from Emeryville really know what authentic HK food is? There's only one way to find out...

I like the feedback from everyone so far.

Tsukiji, yours was very interesting and having been to Japan I know what you are talking about with the specialties at different places. For example you wouldn't go to a dim sum place looking for Peking duck and vice versa... but here in America, I think one would be very hard pressed to find those specific specialty restaurants anywhere but in big cities with an ethnic China town, where the signs are all in Chinese and thats the main language spoken.

A couple of years ago we went to San Francisco on a mission to find authentic Dim Sum, and after venturing deep into China town, into a back alley, I think we found it - I still give credit to Stevethedad for turning me onto that place - there was no way anyone who wasn't specifically looking for it would have ever found it and it was some of the best Dim Sum I've ever had.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 12:13 PM

QUOTE (tsukiji @ Oct 5 2009, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for calling me an 'egocentric nummynut.' BTW, my position has been that there is an absence specifically in the Sac area, not necessarily in the US. For example, LA has some very good Korean and Chinese food.

It's probably hard to understand if you haven't lived in other countries that have a noticeably different culture from the US.

For starters:
1) many restaurants specialize in a certain type of food. For example, in Japan, if you go to a sushi-ya, that's pretty much all you can order. Or a yakitori-ya. Or oden-ya. Or a Shabu-shabu place. Or a ramen place. Or a tonkatsu place. You go through an apprenticeship to work at these types of places. For sushi, you need a certification. Going through these specialized processes results in flavors and nuances and traditions that are perhaps lost on us in America. A gross point of fact along these lines is sushi. But there are examples in other countries as well. In Taiwan, for example, you'll have a restaurants the specialize only in Beef Noodle Soup. Or Shanghainese style dishes. You won't see a restaurant that caters to locals try to serve all different varieties of Chinese food because inevitably, none of it will taste as good as a restaurant that specializes. In Korea, you may go to a BiBimBap place or a Jige place or a Kalbi place.

Think of it as going to a restaurant here that serves, Italian, French, Spanish, American, German all under one roof. If you wanted Texas style BBQ, would you go to this restaurant or would you go to a BBQ place?

Food is a combination of ingredients, ratios, quality, skill, etc. It's like seeing an oncologist versus a general practitioner. Could you get by with latter? Perhaps, but if I have cancer, I'd prefer to be treated by the former.

I don't know, call me an egocentric nummynut. I don't care. I enjoy being able to differentiate beyond just a common set of ingredients.

Sorry, I had other points in mind but I'm tired of writing....


I spent a year in Korea, I know what real authentic Korean food is like.

and I don't have to go to LA to get it. It's just down the street near Bradshaw.

As a kid, my dad worked with someone from China, that used to buy his ingredients from Chinatown in SF (40 years ago, there weren't as many grocery stores catering to orientals as there are now), and the one big difference I've noticed between what I used to get and what is served today is the bean sprouts. It seems everywhere today uses mung bean for the sprouts, I remember this chinaman always used soy beans for his bean sprouts.

That's why whenever I want to make a beansprout salad, I go to Rancho Cordova to buy my soybean bean sprouts.

Granted, I haven't been to China to try chinese food in china, but I have had Chinese food in Korea. I can't imagine the Koreans have Americanized their chinese food, guess what, as I stated somewhere else, other than the sea cucumber on the menu and the sweet & sour sauce didn't have red dye number whatever in it, what I had there was very similar to what I eat here.

and even though I haven't been to Italy, my understanding is spaghetti with marinara sauce in northern Italy is different than what it is in Southern Italy, so I expect even in china and japan, there are variations in how the same dish is prepared, so just because the chow mein isn't how you like it at Rice Express, or any other joint, doesn't mean it isn't "real" chinese food, it's how that chef likes to prepare it.

So if the shoe fits, wear it, elsewise, try getting off your high horse and stop insulting someone's cooking just because it isn't prepared the exact way you like it. If you want to do a little research, try googling any of your favorite dishes and I would bet you can find 100's of different recipe's for it. What makes you think that only one of those can be the "real" thing.

Oh yeah, case in point, while in Korea, I liked getting a midnight snack from the many Yakimandu stands on the street, did they all make their yakimandu the exact same way, not hardly, but I guess only one of them could have been the "real" thing and the rest just didn't measure up.

Sorry if I offend your senses of perfect "real" chinese food, but I ain't going to swallow your opinion as to what is real and what isn't, I know better.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 12:30 PM

QUOTE (davburr @ Oct 5 2009, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A couple of years ago we went to San Francisco on a mission to find authentic Dim Sum, and after venturing deep into China town, into a back alley, I think we found it - I still give credit to Stevethedad for turning me onto that place - there was no way anyone who wasn't specifically looking for it would have ever found it and it was some of the best Dim Sum I've ever had.


Where did you go? I love Dim Sum and Yank Sing in the old Post Office building off Embarcadaro has been a favorite of mine (and the Chronicle's) for YEARS! But it's very expensive. I'd love to find a good alternative.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 12:35 PM

QUOTE (Bill Z @ Oct 5 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I spent a year in Korea, I know what real authentic Korean food is like.

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Okay, good response. You're the expert. Thanks for the enlightenment. I think you missed the point but that's okay. If the difference is lost on you, that's fine. All the better for you since you can enjoy whatever you're served. I'm not saying that crap isn't edible. But just that I can see and taste differences and it's not what I prefer. Will I eat it, sure. But it's not how I think it should be prepared. This isn't about differences within country.

But whatever. You're the expert on food you like. Don't just push your agenda on me.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 12:55 PM

QUOTE (tsukiji @ Oct 5 2009, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay, good response. You're the expert. Thanks for the enlightenment. I think you missed the point but that's okay. If the difference is lost on you, that's fine. All the better for you since you can enjoy whatever you're served. I'm not saying that crap isn't edible. But just that I can see and taste differences and it's not what I prefer. Will I eat it, sure. But it's not how I think it should be prepared. This isn't about differences within country.

But whatever. You're the expert on food you like. Don't just push your agenda on me.

Hey, I don't care if you say you don't like the way someplace prepares a dish, but don't tell me it isn't "real" as if only you know what is "real" and what isn't. My only agenda is don't try to sound like you're the "real" expert and none of us have a clue what "real" chinese food (or any other ethnicity) is like.

The part I bolded above is just another way for you to try and demean my opinion. As if your knowledge of food is somehow superior to mine.

Now for the underlined italics part, so if any dish is prepared differently than you think it should be, that makes it not "real". Nice job, your arrogance on food reminds me of one of my favorite cartoon movies. Go watch Ratatouille and pay attention to the last review of Anton Ego. or read it here, it just might teach you something

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 01:17 PM

QUOTE (Bill Z @ Oct 5 2009, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey, I don't care if you say you don't like the way someplace prepares a dish, but don't tell me it isn't "real" as if only you know what is "real" and what isn't. My only agenda is don't try to sound like you're the "real" expert and none of us have a clue what "real" chinese food (or any other ethnicity) is like.

The part I bolded above is just another way for you to try and demean my opinion. As if your knowledge of food is somehow superior to mine.

Now for the underlined italics part, so if any dish is prepared differently than you think it should be, that makes it not "real". Nice job, your arrogance on food reminds me of one of my favorite cartoon movies. Go watch Ratatouille and pay attention to the last review of Anton Ego. or read it here, it just might teach you something


Okay, one more time. Let's try an extreme example. What you call sushi here is so far against what sushi is meant to be that it's not even in the same dictionary. This isn't about ingredients or style of preparation. If you can't understand this, that's fine. I don't really care. You can debate this all you want and you'll never convince me. Even California Roll is not authentic. It may taste good. It may even be offered in some non-traditional restaurants in Tokyo. But it's not authentic.

Okay, that's it. I'm done. Believe whatever you want.

BTW, if I came across as condescending or demeaning, it wasn't intentional. If so, I apologize. But I will stand firm on my opinion, just as you have a right to stand firm on yours.


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 01:39 PM

Alright, back to the topic at hand.

QUOTE (Thinkingoutloud @ Oct 5 2009, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where did you go? I love Dim Sum and Yank Sing in the old Post Office building off Embarcadaro has been a favorite of mine (and the Chronicle's) for YEARS! But it's very expensive. I'd love to find a good alternative.


You don't need to wait for your next trip to SF for memorable Dim Sum. New Canton is on Broadway near 26th in downtown Sacto. Get there between 11:30 and noon on a Sunday, the line will be out the door, and you will have to wait 30-45 min to be seated, but it is worth it! Make sure to bring a group - Dim Sum is more fun as a group!

And, per my comment up-thread - most of the clientele is asian.





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