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[JLS]

wreathlady, I'm not worried or consumed by it. I'm just here to ask a couple questions about peoples knowledge on the availability of the vaccine for the most part. I have two babies who don't even have friends yet really so our solution is simply to stop going out to eat at restaurants and limit our shopping for a couple months until the babies are vaccinated. So, they are not exposed to anybody but my wife, I and grandparents and none of us are out there in the wild really...LOL. As soon as they are in the clear, we are off to Disneyland for our troubles and to pickup every other sickness we can get our hands on down there on the rides : )

There is alot of mis-information going around and the #1 I'd say are the people who are diagnosing themselves or others on having it when they most likely didn't and have had no tests. Unless your Dr seen you and 100% diagnosed you or your family member with H1N1 then people should stop stating they had it.

wreathlady, I really am concerned for you. You appear to have your life totally consumed by this reading every news article and posting multiple threads on multiple forums daily. You have a response to every single persons response in these threads. I'm surprised you haven't opened up your own website or forum dedicated to the H1N1 yet. I'm not saying this because your doing anything wrong or offending me or anything by any means. I'm just saying that I'm getting worried about your well-being.

Palango, how is your baby?

[bordercolliefan]

using current numbers, of 10 million people vaccinated with h1n1, 22 will develop the guillian-barr (however it's spelled) syndrome from the vaccine.....not bad odds there.....

Also, keep in mind, you can get Guillain-Barr from the flu itself. As I understand it, G-B is a follow-on auto-immune disorder that can result from any "invasion" of the body by a germ, whether from a vaccine or from a community-acquired virus.

As for wreathlady, all I can say is, it's a mother's (and grandmother's) perogative to worry about things that affect our kids. It would be great if all of us could say "Que sera, sera," but some of us just aren't that type. There's a reason the word "worrywart" was invented.

Sometimes worrying leads to good things, like getting educated about a threat and being prepared.

[JLS]

As for wreathlady, all I can say is, it's a mother's (and grandmother's) perogative to worry about things that affect our kids. It would be great if all of us could say "Que sera, sera," but some of us just aren't that type. There's a reason the word "worrywart" was invented.

Sometimes worrying leads to good things, like getting educated about a threat and being prepared.

I think your misunderstanding me. I'm all for worrying, being prepared, closing schools, heck... lock your whole family in the house and don't come out except to get vaccinated if need be. I'm not worried about "worrywart's" as I am one myself.

But I have spoken to her in private on this forum as well as seen her posts all over the internet and thats why I am worried about her. Being consumed that much in many cases can seriously be of harm to her an her family. Stress can lead to ALOT of bad health and mental issues on a person. It can also effect the children and family around them. Keep up on the news but reading every death and case as well as attempting to help diagnose others and help them cope is alot on one person. So, I'm not saying that this has effected her or any others family as I mentioned but I'm just trying to warn her kindly that the stress of what she's doing could have a higher chance of harming her ATM...

[palango]

Yeah there is a lot of mis-information on BOTH sides of this debate, or are you too incapacitated to realize that?

when you have 19 kids die last week, there is NO misinformation about that fact. IF you can get the H1N1 vaccine for your young ones, WHY on earth would you even think of NOT doing it? I guess I am hoping the 60 minutes piece will shed better light into this one way or the other.

If my criticizing of dumb and comatose parents that listen to JUNK science and urban legend over sound science, then I wear that "incapacitated" mantle ever so proudly. To each his own. As a parent, I saw my little girl struggle so much, but the H1N1 vaccine is not fully here yet. For those who criticize and have NO kids, then hush up. For those that have kids, then do some research and make your decisions based on sound science.

Finally, as a parent my heart goes out to the parents of the kids that perished in these past weeks. Its devastating.

[wreathlady]

wreathlady, I'm not worried or consumed by it. I'm just here to ask a couple questions about peoples knowledge on the availability of the vaccine for the most part. I have two babies who don't even have friends yet really so our solution is simply to stop going out to eat at restaurants and limit our shopping for a couple months until the babies are vaccinated. So, they are not exposed to anybody but my wife, I and grandparents and none of us are out there in the wild really...LOL. As soon as they are in the clear, we are off to Disneyland for our troubles and to pickup every other sickness we can get our hands on down there on the rides : )

There is alot of mis-information going around and the #1 I'd say are the people who are diagnosing themselves or others on having it when they most likely didn't and have had no tests. Unless your Dr seen you and 100% diagnosed you or your family member with H1N1 then people should stop stating they had it.

wreathlady, I really am concerned for you. You appear to have your life totally consumed by this reading every news article and posting multiple threads on multiple forums daily. You have a response to every single persons response in these threads. I'm surprised you haven't opened up your own website or forum dedicated to the H1N1 yet. I'm not saying this because your doing anything wrong or offending me or anything by any means. I'm just saying that I'm getting worried about your well-being.

Palango, how is your baby?

JLS. You are funny, too. At least I do not have my family hold up in the house until the vaccine comes in. Talk about being paranoid and afraid. At least we take out our family, but are cautious. You are like the pot calling the kettle black.
I think you need to be as concerned for yourself as you are for me. But thanks, anyway.

[palango]

Palango, how is your baby?

baby is doing much much better, thank you. Still do not have the lab results for H1N1, but the Dr seems to think it was. The Tamiflu worked wonders, but her cough has not gone away. She was little to begin with, but now she has lost some weight. I need to get some calories into that girl, but she is still not eating much.

[bordercolliefan]

Sobering data from Cal. Dept. of Public Health:

Hospitalizations in CA for H1N1: 4047

Deaths in California: 249

From the CDC:

Pediatric flu deaths nationwide: 236

Moreover, it seems we are on the upswing of this thing. From the CDC:

Visits to doctors for influenza-like illness (ILI) increased steeply since last week in the United States, and overall, are much higher than what is expected for this time of the year. ILI activity now is higher than what is seen during the peak of many regular flu seasons.
Hospitalization rates continue to be highest in younger populations with the highest hospitalization rate reported in children 0-4 years old.

Wreathlady, do you remember the good old days when certain members of this forum told us it was all media hype, nothing would come of it and we were dumb for worrying about it? Wow, I sure wish that prediction had come true. (And so do the family members of the 4,000+ who have been hospitalized so far in California -- most of them children, according to the CDC).

[JLS]

At least I do not have my family hold up in the house until the vaccine comes in. Talk about being paranoid and afraid. At least we take out our family, but are cautious. You are like the pot calling the kettle black.

For a month I'm eating at home and taking larger trips to the store instead of going 1-2 times a day. I have 2 babies that have no playmates as it is. What I'm doing is hardly out of fear and panic...LOL. Its sensible. Dr's office says 2 weeks till the vaccine. We just started doing this. Until then we ate out daily...

Funny how not going to restaurants these days for a month or less is considered ubber fear...LOL.

And you don't have a nine month old and 2 year old. They are quite fragile and get sickness easy as they always have their hands in their mouths. Survival rate for them would be quite scary I believe. So...

Anyways, I'm done with this thread. It's been totally pointless since the start and I feel silly for being part of it now.

Palango, glad to hear the baby is alright regardless of what it was. Sickness in babies is soooooo stressful as they seem so incredibly helpless, unknowing and out of it. Tears your heart out...

[wreathlady]

For a month I'm eating at home and taking larger trips to the store instead of going 1-2 times a day. I have 2 babies that have no playmates as it is. What I'm doing is hardly out of fear and panic...LOL. Its sensible. Dr's office says 2 weeks till the vaccine. We just started doing this. Until then we ate out daily...

Funny how not going to restaurants these days for a month or less is considered ubber fear...LOL.

And you don't have a nine month old and 2 year old. They are quite fragile and get sickness easy as they always have their hands in their mouths. Survival rate for them would be quite scary I believe. So...

Anyways, I'm done with this thread. It's been totally pointless since the start and I feel silly for being part of it now.

Palango, glad to hear the baby is alright regardless of what it was. Sickness in babies is soooooo stressful as they seem so incredibly helpless, unknowing and out of it. Tears your heart out...

The funny part is my daughter has children that are 1 and 3 so not too far apart in ages. So do not think I do not know what you are speaking of. I help her daily with the children due to her husbands work schedule. You really should not judge, I was only on this forum to try to pass on the information I had found. This was not to intend to hurt anyone, only to help. But, you my young man, are rude and regardless of what you say are just as paranoid. So, before you get to deep into it, get some help, yourself. as I worry about young people that have a problem at such a early age. Regardless of what you think, the vacccine is only 70 percent effective. So take your trip to disneyland, you should, but just because you have the vaccine does not mean you are exempt. I am with Maxine R. we need to quarantine and break the cycle, along with vaccine. This is going to be a long road, but it is what it is. I only wish good thoughts nothing else.

[JLS]

Well, I don't really care about the discussion at this point but if you feel I was rude then I humbly apologize as that's never my intentions.

Moving on...

[JLS]

Regardless of what you think, the vacccine is only 70 percent effective.

Although I would like to see a link to this information. SEASONAL flu vaccines are around 70% but from everything I know and have read the US version of the H1N1 vaccine IS or around 100%.

[bordercolliefan]

wreathlady and JLS,

You both had good intentions, so let's calm down and give each other the benefit of the doubt. Wreathlady, JLS was genuinely concerned about you. Even if you think his concern is needless, it still stems from good intentions, so just be glad he is concerned about you. JLS, I think Wreathlady genuinely cares about the well-being of your family; if she goes a little overboard, it's just because this virus has a lot of us freaked out.

We're all concerned about the same thing so let's all just be friends.

[palango]

wreathlady and JLS,

You both had good intentions, so let's calm down and give each other the benefit of the doubt. Wreathlady, JLS was genuinely concerned about you. Even if you think his concern is needless, it still stems from good intentions, so just be glad he is concerned about you. JLS, I think Wreathlady genuinely cares about the well-being of your family; if she goes a little overboard, it's just because this virus has a lot of us freaked out.

We're all concerned about the same thing so let's all just be friends.

+ 1000. Great summary and referee. The world needs more people like you!!!

[bordercolliefan]

Well, I guess this answers the Topic question: Is H1N1 more prevalent now?

Sacramento health official calls for H1N1 flu emergency declaration

Published: Monday, Nov. 2, 2009 - 2:50 pm
Last Modified: Monday, Nov. 2, 2009 - 3:06 pm

Sacramento County's chief public health official said she will recommend that a state of emergency be declared in the county because of the dramatic rise in the number of cases of H1N1 flu.

Sacramento County's board of supervisors is expected to consider the request at its meeting tomorrow.

Increased concern over the spread of the novel flu comes on heels of the latest H1N1-related death in Sacramento County - the 15th since last April, when the virus first appeared in the region.

County officials could not provide specific details on that fatality.

On Monday Health Official Dr. Glennah Trochet said the flu matter is now "urgent" and expressed alarm at the accelerating rate of H1N1 flu infections.