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[cw68]

Or people could just play nice and abide by the rules already set up.



I crack myself up. We know that wouldn't actually happen anymore.

[camay2327]

It's easy enough to deal with the complaints from posters who feel they have been abused by another poster, without trashing the whole political section:

Write in a condition to entering the politics section by making them agree to a "Ego Damage Disclaimer".

Which means one must agree that to enter into the politics section, they agree they may be offended or insulted and won't complain if that happens.

If it would be more comfortable for the moderators, to NOT babysit the political section at all.... let's NOT have any do that.

If there are no moderators taking any action, that will make me feel that there are also none that will act unfairly when deciding who to delete or who to warn. Under those conditions I would feel that to place an offending poster on "ignore" to be enough to deal with the problem of being offended by them. I had decided to do that, and did, just before the politics section was shut down. It worked for me.

I'm an adult and would rather be treated like one, than have to be babysit like other posters, who continuously break the rules.

Let's drop the rules in the political section, relieve the moderators of having to go to the politics section and place the disclaimer up in large red letters for all to see, so they know they can't run to John or the moderators with hurt feelings.

Will it get ugly? Not if mature members who have a mature attitude place the offenders on ignore and don't respond to their ugly posts. The offenders will go away when they can't get under anybodies skin and others ignore them. But another way to deal with that is for them to be advised they can be banned, without warning, if they become too nasty to other posters.

No warnings, no time out, no points taken away....just banned, without notice.

Surely something can be put into place that automatically deletes their account when they go beyond a certain number of cuss words.
That would at least get that problem taken care of. Or any cuss words would automatically reject a post from being posted.

If not moderating the political forum isn't attractive to John, then have a moderator who WANTS to do the job, put in charge of it. Give them full responsibility and the power to enforce the rules, if there are any. Forcing a moderator to do a job they dislike, with no wages isn't going to work, it's clear. So, find one that WANTS to do it.

I have a member in mind, who I feel is very fair and also objective. I'll tell John their name if he wants to PM me.

I for one would like to see the politics section back on line.

[supermom]

I'm not sure that banning someone without notice would be right--except in extreme cases or in the case of spammers.

I think everyone on this site (ok, I mean the regulars) has irritated someone or rubbed someone the wrong way--I know I have.

Boy--one of them still won't talk on the same thread as me--poor Tony--I feel bad about that. (I don't even think it was in the politics section--but man, I got my nose tweaked that day!)

So, I have learned that comps don't relay tone very well and I've learned that I can be pretty hard nosed at times.

Also learned when to back down and leave the site--for a breather-which I did for a while this year.

[cw68]

I find it interesting how most everyone's sitting here saying that others should toughen up, ignore things, not visit, that the moderators should do XYZ and the like but nobody will say that THEY THEMSELVES will clean up their act, abide by the rules set forth and act like a decent, upstanding member of a society. As long as that's the attitude, I say au revoir gopher.

Plus, no one can argue about how it adds to the hits of this web site and the money that it will generate with ad sales. It's just good business sense to put it back up.

p.s. -- it was HURTING ad sales.

[supermom]

I did, I don't, and I haven't in a while.

Pretty much given up on that expectation.

uhhhmmm----how much are the ads?

You know what would be way cool?

Let parents put up a Happy Graduation Picture thingy (like in the newspapers) in May.

That might be a way to generate some income.....

[old soldier]

I don't cotton to folks tattling to the moderators. if you get slammed you just cowboy up. the folks who are way outside with the slams are really making fools of themselves and a little joke back which they might not even understand is better than a complaint. I think some folks say crazy stuff just to stir the pot up.

I always look forward to vinnie and his liberal stuff cause it always gets some action. I liked it when EDF got into his love life as well.

the best posts are the ones where you read between the lines and for the like of me I don't know if I ever saw posts in the political area that were just plain mean. Lots of stupid which can be funny.

we are missing so much good political material cause things are happening out there.

when can a probation political string start up again?

[Chris]

Well, as a matter of fact, I was cleaning up my act and had committed to keeping my posts clean and mannerly, before the political section was closed down. But if it makes for better understanding, I can make the commitment again right now.

However, I can NOT guarantee that at no time, will someone read my post and not take it personally or get offended some how.
That is what I find amusing....people read things into a post, that sometimes just isn't there. Or interpret it differently and become incensed, when no offense was intended.

If, in fact, the political section was hurting sales, then that is another matter. But I imagine there are some advertisers that would not want anything controversial to be discussed, and would have a problem with any topic that tends to stir up emotions. With some threads that I could point out right now, that have gotten nasty but are in no way controversial, how many should be removed? Maybe the movie section?

If posters are going to misbehave, I doubt they will limit that behavior to every post, except when they post in the political section. To think the problem of nasty posts will go away by the political section being shut down for good, is sort of naive.

Maxine, you have always been the "adult" here so no matter what anybody says........... Right wing or left wing.......... You have always been fair and shared your life experience..... If they don't "get it" then they do so at their peril....! Chris

[The Average Joe]

I don't cotton to folks tattling to the moderators. if you get slammed you just cowboy up. the folks who are way outside with the slams are really making fools of themselves and a little joke back which they might not even understand is better than a complaint. I think some folks say crazy stuff just to stir the pot up.
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the best posts are the ones where you read between the lines and for the like of me I don't know if I ever saw posts in the political area that were just plain mean. Lots of stupid which can be funny.

we are missing so much good political material cause things are happening out there.

when can a probation political string start up again?

My thoughts exactly...how fragile the ego to take offense at some forum boy (or girl) giving you a smackdown.

I think I sent an observation one time about an annoyance, which wasn't really a complaint, about perceived spam. I do agree with the mods tho... people need to act like adults.

[supermom]

I should have stated that banning would be in extreme cases where cuss words were used to excess by certain posters.

I have been to many blogs and posters been much more nasty than here. But the first thing I noticed was there was no control at all of the cussing and foul language. I would imagine that is the biggest concern of John's.

It's near impossible for some people NOT to get insulted by even the most innocent posts. Nothing can be done about those posters who are depressed, mentally ill or just having a bad day, getting all up in arms about a post they find personally offending.

Just go over and read the posts of AVATAR and you'll see what I mean. One would think that an innocent enough topic, but it got pretty nasty over there, none the less.

Why couldn't those posters mind their manners and reframe from getting insulting or insulted????

Not trying to argue...just saying....

Ok--I just went and read an incredibly long review of a movie that makes the movie sound boring (and dang it--I was actually hoping to see that movie)But I gotta say_ other than GFFMAT and JLS going at it (kinda funny--two video rental guys arguing about screen quality)---it didn't seem all that bad to me.

You sure you aren't reading from another site or something--I didn't see an out of control thread. Just like three posts and then it went back on topic.

Or--maybe it got moderated.

ok--im gonna jump over there cause i wanna ask them a question about the palladio theatre....

[Chris]

Hey this is a funny thread...

I noticed the only ones that didn't want it's return were the socialist commie libs types that were on the losing end of so many arguments...

and like you Bill... with this climategate coming to the front in the global warming scam and the health care debate that's going to affect all of our lives... you'd think folks would want to be engaged...

Oh well....

How come you always say what I am thinking....? Maybe I should put my foil hat back on so you can't read my brainwaves anymore....!
Regards, Chris

[Robert Giacometti]

p.s. -- it was HURTING ad sales.

I can't speak for every business owner, but being a business owner and talking to some of my colleages who own businesses, I can say the back n forth in the political section is NOT the reason why businesses are NOT advertising.

Many times when businesses tell you "No" to something they really don't tell you the real reason why. Trust me on this one!

Most people who own a small business really don't want to risk alienating any customers or supporting something that doesn't correlate to their own personal beliefs.

John can shoot me if he wants, but I've never been shy about saying what needs to be said, but the reality of why SOME businesses aren't advertising here is because they perceive a bias on this forum that is NOT reflective of the community overall. Its not just business owners who feel this way as well.

We can debate back n forth until the cows come home wether there is or isn't a bias, but unless you are the one making the decision to advertise or not, our opinions don't matter to the person writing the check for the Ad.

[supermom]

I can't speak for every business owner, but being a business owner and talking to some of my colleages who own businesses, I can say the back n forth in the political section is NOT the reason why businesses are NOT advertising.

Many times when businesses tell you "No" to something they really don't tell you the real reason why. Trust me on this one!

Most people who own a small business really don't want to risk alienating any customers or supporting something that doesn't correlate to their own personal beliefs.

John can shoot me if he wants, but I've never been shy about saying what needs to be said, but the reality of why SOME businesses aren't advertising here is because they perceive a bias on this forum that is NOT reflective of the community overall. Its not just business owners who feel this way as well.

We can debate back n forth until the cows come home wether there is or isn't a bias, but unless you are the one making the decision to advertise or not, our opinions don't matter to the person writing the check for the Ad.

That doesn't bode well for our community. 'Cause we have all agreed that the two things we all agree on -if we set aside politics--is that no one like dog pooh in their front yards.

So, if these companies aren't advertising because they disagree with us and it doesn't have anything to do with pollitics---what the hell are we talking about? Are you telling me that there are companies in folsom who do like to see dog pooh in our front yards?





(sorry, my sarcasm meter was running a bit tweaked) if the thought of dog pooh littered neighborhoods, endorsed by locally owned companies---is revolting to you, please skip this post.