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[MikeinFolsom]

Something I saw while working in the city......usually near the "pot palaces", shady people like to gather. Those that were unable to obtain the coveted "card" would then solicit those that had obtained a prescription and attempt to purchase their allotment. Some would sell, some wouldn't. On occasion, those that wouldn't were rolled up and that was that. If they want to regulate it, mail it??

The industry is way too loosely regulated. Everyone knows you can go downtown and purchase a card from a "doctor" with little to no problems doing it. Yes, there is a need and a purpose. Regulate it better. I have a feeling that is what most folks want.

[doj_gal]

Potheads can find an excuse for tokin.

Just like an alcoholic will find a way to get to a bar, drink...and most likely drive home.

Just like a caffeine addict will find a Starbucks...even if they are not on every corner.

Just like the overweight person will find a fast food burger location, even after they've already ate.

Just like a pill popper addict will shop multiple doctors to get the one whom will write prescriptions.


Funny thing...I haven't heard a person overdosing or dying from the use of Marijuana…however I hear of people dying of all of these other "non drugs" everyday.


Everyone has their own way with dealing with stress and most importantly their health. Too much control of anything is a bad thing, too little is also bad as well. I am not saying free rain on whatever you feel like doing in life. However, what gives everyone the right to say what types of medications heal a person or should be taken. Just because you do not like something, doesn't mean someone else cannot benefit from it. Non-traditional routes help just as much as popping a pill with 12 other side effects or complications.

Thank God, I am healthy and haven't had to take any kinds of serious medications in my life. If I did, I definitely would not want to take one that could compromise other areas of my health because of the medication I was taking.

There are far more scummy people at bars than Medical MJ shops by far.

[ducky]

I looked this up for myself since I recently found out I most probably looking at glaucoma in my future, and it seems there are other more effective drugs available for treatment. I understand how medicinal marijuana use can still be very beneficial to cancer patients and think it should definitely be available to them, I don't think the same can be said about glaucoma after reading this and other articles.

"Advocates of medicinal marijuana cite evidence that hemp products can lower intraocular pressure (IOP) in people with glaucoma. However, these products are less effective than safer and more available medicines. Most research regarding marijuana use took place before some current medications with fewer side effects were available.

The high dose of marijuana necessary to produce a clinically relevant effect on IOP in the short term requires constant inhalation, as much as every three hours.
The number of significant side effects generated by long-term oral use of marijuana or long-term inhalation of marijuana smoke make marijuana a poor choice in the treatment of glaucoma, a chronic disease requiring proven and effective treatment.

Currently, marijuana is designated as a Schedule I drug (drugs which have a high potential for abuse and no medical application or proven therapeutic value)...."

http://www.glaucoma....cal_marijua.php

[Steve Heard]

I find it silly and a waste of energy to keep pot illegal. As had been said countless times, it is far less harmful than alcohol, which is perfectly legal.

Yes, pot abusers seem to lose their motivation and try to look like Bob Marley, but they don't generally, rob or steal to get it, don't get violent, angry, mean or depressed while on it, and one does not become incapacitated while using it.

Having said that, I am concerned for our kids. My daughters are now 17 and 21, and they know many kids who were able to get medical marijuana cards at 18, and who brag about it and even go get prescriptions filled for their friends.

It is changing the distribution system to a degree, and kids with older brothers, sisters and friends may have easier access to it because of this new system.

In discussing it with my kids, they tell me regular old non-medical pot is easy to get as it is, and for under-age kids, it's easier to get than booze, and that booze itself is pretty easy to get.

I guess my point is that use of marijuana is a personal choice, should not be illegal whether for medical or recreational use, and that our fears of more kids having access to it may be unfounded.

A discreet dispensary wouldn't bother me, but a pot shop on Sutter might.

[irish1]

I think this is great. They need to let mj be legalized and tax it. The guy, I have to admit, had a great story and the officer who wrote this story, had a lot of time to listen.Funniest thing I have read here.

We had a little time on our hands, as we were waiting for confirmation of an out of state arrest warrant for the passenger in the man's vehicle.... We were still in the taking care of business mode, if you will.... So we found a way to pass the time.

I've found it very important in my job, that when you look... take the time to actually see, and when you hear... take the time to actually listen... always a learning opportunity.

[Toadster]

Yeah, I don't want any cancer patients or persons with glaucoma in my city!

if they're that bad off - we should send them all to a community that endorses pot - they can all live together - smoke and get some relief - this would be the best solution as it wouldn't offend anyone else - and they could have the relief they need - just in a different place

oh - and if they're not that bad that they need to move, then they must not need pot

[mylo]

I've found it very important in my job, that when you look... take the time to actually see, and when you hear... take the time to actually listen... always a learning opportunity.

So did you arrest him? I'm intrigued if his offense/routine stop was driving intoxicated. Did you take his stash? card?

I also wonder when he has to go back to the doctor for a checkup on his anxiety issue. Hopefully he can take care of that!

[mylo]

Looking them in the eye: Take conventional medicine, it's been tested by the FDA through clinical trials. The world doesn't need another pothead.

Too bad the FDA hasn't had enough time yet to evaluate that new fangled marijuana.

Thankfully, I hear it's pretty rare. So if it turns out to be unsafe, at least only a small portion of the population should be affected.

Also, I'd give a dying patient whatever they wanted. Some black tar heroine? Here ya go! Hope that makes ya feel better.

[irish1]

So did you arrest him? I'm intrigued if his offense/routine stop was driving intoxicated. Did you take his stash? card?

The stop was made due to equipt. violations. His passenger was on searchable probation, which lead to the pipe discovery and the out of state arrest warrant. He had no hootch in the vehicle, and he was not under the influence or impaired at the time. As for the card, it is personal property and not illegal to have.

I also wonder when he has to go back to the doctor for a checkup on his anxiety issue. Hopefully he can take care of that!

He received his card. I don't know if follow-up visits are required or not. That never was mentioned in our conversation.

[Redone]

the odd thing about this whole post is the timeline.

The City Council passed this when ?? I think it was 2 or 3 years ago and just now its a topic for discussion ?

[mylo]

The stop was made due to equipt. violations. His passenger was on searchable probation, which lead to the pipe discovery and the out of state arrest warrant. He had no hootch in the vehicle, and he was not under the influence or impaired at the time. As for the card, it is personal property and not illegal to have.

What if he HAD half an ounce on him? Would it have been seized?

I don't quite get the grey area "pot cards" currently live in.

Federally, you have to take it, right?

Are you given anti-profiling training, like the immigration thing? Just because a guy has Cheetos stuck in his beard does not give you the right to search his rusty old van for paraphernalia.

[ducky]

the odd thing about this whole post is the timeline.

The City Council passed this when ?? I think it was 2 or 3 years ago and just now its a topic for discussion ?

It's not really odd. This is the first time the city's ordinance has been challenged. Add to that the city pursuing the lawsuit even though the applicants to open the store have dropped their bid I think makes it worthy of conversation.

It is kind of an interesting subject. Mylo's questions are great. I've always wondered how it is handled when they have the MJ on them and a card during a traffic stop. How is it determined if they are under the influence of MJ versus alcohol while driving a vehicle?

[wreathlady]

[quote name='wreathlady' date='Jul 26 2010, 12:37 PM' post='392560']
Thats a great cover up. Thanks for your take on it, though.
I respect Police, dont get me wrong. But I do think there is lag time in your job just like everyone elses. Have too many friends that are cops and I am sure you know the stories.

[doj_gal]

What if he HAD half an ounce on him? Would it have been seized?

I don't quite get the grey area "pot cards" currently live in.

Federally, you have to take it, right?

Are you given anti-profiling training, like the immigration thing? Just because a guy has Cheetos stuck in his beard does not give you the right to search his rusty old van for paraphernalia.

The amount of carry is dependent on the amount that a person can have on their person at any given time. (Doctor Prescribed)

My hubby has a very large limit, which I will not go into. However, he rarely has that amount at all, nor on his person and often times has nothing with him. Well, unless he is coming back from his Medicinal store.

The only time a police officer can take it away is if you are out of CA, if you do not have your card on your person, if you are over your amount or if you are under the influence while driving.

[folsom500]

What if he HAD half an ounce on him? Would it have been seized?

I don't quite get the grey area "pot cards" currently live in.

Federally, you have to take it, right?

Local PD and even CHP or State Police are not federal officers and thereby are not bound ( and may not be able ) to use the Feds statute in this case. In many cases like this - they are unwilling to do so and have every right in that respect.